James Bamford on MSNBC .... - Democratic Underground

H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:37 AM
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James Bamford on MSNBC ....

Bamford is on MSNBC, talking about the US plan to attack Iran, and the neocon-AIPAC spy scandal.

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:38 AM
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1. James is doing very well!

{1} This is not speculation, it's straight from the indictment.
{2} It's the same group that got us into Iraq.

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Norquist Nemesis

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:38 AM
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2. Just tuned in...did I miss them calling him a nut yet?

Thanks! :hi:

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:40 AM
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4. It's good ....

She calls the article "eye-opening" and frightening. Great interview.

He connects it with the current violence in Lebanon and the necronservativew agenda.

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leftchick

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:39 AM
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3. thank you

I love Mr. Bamford.

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:41 AM
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7. It was the best

that I've seen him do on tv. He is usually so polite and soft-spoken, that the loud-mouthed shits he has debated keep him from getting his message across. MSNBC let him tell the truth today. It was powerful.

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atfqn

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Mon Jul-31-06 11:36 AM
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24. I agree

his book "The Puzzle Palace" was amazing. I cannot wait to read "A Pretext For War."

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leftchick

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:40 AM
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5. what article was the news bunny referring to?

I have been away and must have missed James article.

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flpoljunkie

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:42 AM
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9. I think it must be the Rolling Stone article: "Iran, the Next War"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/10962352/iran_the_next_war

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leftchick

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:50 AM
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12. thank you for the link

I have been on vacation and haven't received my mail pile yet. I hope my Rollingstone is in there!

:hi:

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:54 AM
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13. You will like the article.

It is disturbing, because it clarifies what is going on in the Middle East now. And you will recognize a lot of it, because a number of the better informed DUers have quoted from Bamford's books while discussing the relationship between the Plame scandal, the Niger forgeries, and the neocon-AIPAC spy scandal. It's good to see it getting more of the attention it deserves.

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leftchick

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Mon Jul-31-06 09:04 AM
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That is why I subscribe to RS!

They have been going where no one else dares to go in their articles over the last few years. From Iraq, Global Warming, The neocons, Stolen Election! These last six months have been especially good. :)

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Mon Jul-31-06 11:29 AM
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23. Rolling Stone has been impressing me more and more lately

I think it's about time for a subscription to RS!

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npincus

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Mon Jul-31-06 01:05 PM
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30. is this the cover story?

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flpoljunkie

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:40 AM
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6. Thanks, H20 Man. Heard the end of it. Link for his article?

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Liberal In Texas

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:42 AM
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8. Probably this one (Rolling Stone):

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/10962352/iran_the_next_war/1

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:44 AM
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11. Thanks!

You're fast! I appreciate it.

This is an article that deserves greater attention and discussion, including placing the current violence in the context of the necroconservatives' agenda.

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Liberal In Texas

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Mon Jul-31-06 09:04 AM
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16. My pleasure. I just happened to have the link open trying to get

around to reading the rest of it. A MUST read for DUers.

Bamford is excellent. I've got at least 3 of his books. I can't recall anyone who has ever made a legitimate case to "debunk" him.

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leftchick

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Mon Jul-31-06 09:05 AM
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17. they just scream at him!

As H2O Man has pointed out he is very soft spoken and is easily drowned out in the RW noise machine.

:grr:

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Liberal In Texas

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Mon Jul-31-06 09:14 AM
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19. Ha ha...I didn't mean the RW Scream Machine. Just that nobody has

shown in print or presented evidence that he has ever made up anything out of whole cloth.

To the contrary, because as we all know, the NSA tried to block the publication of his first book about domestic spying on the American people, "The Puzzle Palace."

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 08:43 AM
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10. It's in the new

Rolling Stone. Two good threads on DU:GD have links; I'll try to bring one up.

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Me.

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Mon Jul-31-06 09:01 AM
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14. I Was Stunned

That someone was actually saying it right out instead of the usual skirting around the edge or dissembling. A good sign and speaks to enough being enough.

*shadow government*

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 09:03 AM
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15. I think it is

likely that James will be on both Hardball and Countdown again soon. You never know.

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Me.

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Mon Jul-31-06 09:12 AM
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18. I Was Hoping For Hardball

Because I know Ricks is going to be on Countdown and I don't know if they'll have 2 interviews. Then I remembered that CM is supposed to be away this week which means the awful Norah who likely won't let him make his point. Talking points from Kenny you know.

*shadow government*

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 10:08 AM
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20. Just having him on

right now is good enough. The public is concerned about the spread of violence in the Middle East. They recognize the administration has lied about Iraq, and they are going to understand that they are lying about events in Lebanon.

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DemReadingDU

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Mon Jul-31-06 10:18 AM
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21. I happen to see this interview !

Bamford brought up Larry Franklin, and how Franklin was spying such that he was as so close to be by the 'elbow' of the President.

Good Stuff!

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 10:37 AM
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22. The fellows who

were involved in the espionage, who were high-ranking AIPAC employees, were promising to use their influence to have Franklin moved to where he would be at the president's elbow.

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Mon Jul-31-06 11:47 AM
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25. Spies!! Franklin: I gave Israel secret material

Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 11:49 AM by seemslikeadream

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DemReadingDU

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Mon Jul-31-06 12:21 PM
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26. Thanks for all the links!

Bookmarked for future reference

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 12:54 PM
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28. Great!

Thank you so much!!!

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Me.

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Mon Jul-31-06 03:23 PM
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33. WOW!

Totally impressive.

*shadow government*

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BeachBuckeye

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Mon Jul-31-06 12:39 PM
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27. Will Pitt and I will discuss Bamford's article

Tuesday on "The Guy James Show"

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 01:00 PM
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29. That's good.

The more people are exposed to this, the better. It sounds like an interesting show.

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im10ashus

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Mon Jul-31-06 03:01 PM
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32. How are your roses doing in this heat?

It's so darned hot and only getting hotter this week. :hi:

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H2O Man

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Mon Jul-31-06 05:03 PM
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34. Most of the blooms

are done. A lot were damaged by the rain, making it difficult to keep the plants flowering for an extended period. Some of the hedges and vines are doing well right now, and a dozen tea roses are getting ready to start.

I'll post a few photos of other flowers in the next 24.

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im10ashus

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Tue Aug-01-06 09:03 AM
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36. Excellent!

Glad to hear they haven't perished. Another DUer who lives in San Fran posted pictures of her roses and they were fried from the heat.

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H2O Man

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Tue Aug-01-06 09:07 AM
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37. I took a quick

"head count" this morning. I think I'm down to under 100 blooms now. By the second week in August, I should be back up a bit. Until then, my wife settles for the other varieties ....

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Mon Jul-31-06 01:14 PM
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31. Cynthia McKinney's speech in the House yesterday - Fri Jun-10-05

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3826536

James Bamford says of his book, ``Pretext is the only book to take an in-depth look at the U.S. intelligence community from before 9/11 to the war in Iraq. It describes how CIA Director George Tenet, while succeeding in increasing the personnel strength of the CIA's clandestine service during the late 1990s, failed to change the culture, direction and training from a Cold War focus to a counterterrorism focus ..... Thus, the CIA never even tried to penetrate al Qaeda during the years leading up to 9/11, believing it too difficult, too dangerous or not their job, depending on which agency official I interviewed.'' This is James Bamford speaking.

He continues to say, ``Pretext also takes the only minute-by-minute look, about one-third of the book, at the confusion and chaos taking place among senior officials in Washington and elsewhere in the hours following the 9/11 attack. It examines everything from the secret locations to which the Vice President and other officials disappeared, to the evacuation of the intelligence agencies, to the highly secret continuance of government procedures that were activated, many for the very first time.

``Next, Pretext describes how the claims involving Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, the connections between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda and Hussein's involvement with 9/11 were simply used as pretexts for a war long planned by a small group of neoconservatives supportive of the Israeli government's policies and the expansion of U.S. military power throughout the Middle East. It examines how top Bush administration officials, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser first drafted a plan outlining an attack on Iraq and removal of Saddam Hussein in 1996.

``But the document titled `A Clean Break' was drafted for Israel not the United States.'' This is James Bamford speaking: ``At the time the three were acting as advisers to newly elected Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. `Israel can shape its strategic environment. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, an important Israeli strategic objective.' Not satisfied with regime change in Iraq, they went on to recommend that Israel shape its strategic environment by rolling back Syria.''

Bamford continues: `` Wurmser then authored a paper in January 2001 arguing that the U.S. and Israel jointly launch a preemptive war throughout the Middle East and North Africa to establish U.S.-Israeli dominance. The U.S. and Israel should `strike fatally, not merely disarm, the centers of radicalism in the regions of Damascus, Baghdad, Tripoli, Tehran and Gaza.' He added that 'crisis were opportunities.' '' This is Wurmser being quoted by James Bamford. Bamford continues: ``About the same time on January 30, 2001, President Bush held his first National Security Council meeting, and according to former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill discussed only two topics, becoming closer to Israel's Ariel Sharon and locating targets to attack in Iraq.''

Bamford continues: ``As Wurmser had suggested following the 9/11 attacks, the Bush administration immediately began using the crisis as an opportunity to launch their long-planned war against Iraq.

``At 2:40 p.m. on September 11, as the Pentagon was still burning,'' and this is Bamford continuing, ``Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld dictated notes of his intention to blame Saddam Hussein even though there was no evidence of such link and all of the intelligence pointed exclusively to bin Laden and al Qaeda. `Hit S.H. at same time.' '' That is Rumsfeld. `` `Sweep him up whether related to 9/11 or not.' '' Bamford continues: ``Next Wurmser was put in charge of a secret unit in Feith's office with a cover name Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group. Its function was to gather and feed less than credible intelligence, intelligence discounted by the CIA such as the supposed Niger uranium deal to the White House and Vice President Cheney's office. Wurmser is now Cheney's top Middle East adviser.''

Bamford continues: ``Finally, Pretext closely examines the numerous lies and deceptions presented to the Congress, the American people, and the world in order to justify the war in Iraq.''

Bamford says: ``Finally, Pretext closely examines the numerous lies and deceptions presented to the Congress, the American public, and the world in order to justify the war in Iraq.''

One last note: he also tells us that there is another problem and that is of the CIA's new license to kill anytime and anywhere, overseas without oversight. He says they are now using missile-armed drones to do assassinations in Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan, and other places in total secrecy, often without notice even to the host countries; and these problems just scratch the surface in the intelligence community. James Bamford, author, investigative journalist, reporter, telling us the truth about how we came to be in Iraq.

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Octafish

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Tue Aug-01-06 12:29 AM
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35. Gee. Not too many politicians talking about that stuff...

... Or bringing it up on public, let alone the House of Representatives.

Ms. McKinney might want to bring up:

Iran: The Next War by James Bamford.

FRONTMAN 4 PNAC

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