Jewish groups call for hate-crime probe on Mel Gibson

[Purveyor]

JEWISH groups have demanded Mel Gibson be investigated for hate crimes after the Hollywood star allegedly made anti-Semitic comments to US police officers when he was stopped on suspicion of drink-driving and speeding.

Gibson's reported criticism of Jews, contained in a leaked police report detailing his arrest early on Friday morning, included the phrase: "F*****g Jews. The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."

He has since apologised for his actions, saying they were "despicable", but community Jewish leaders called for Gibson to be ostracised from Hollywood, where the A-list actor is considered an industry powerbroker.

Calling for a criminal investigation into the Oscar-winning actor and director's remarks, Abraham Foxman, the national director of the US Jewish Anti-Defamation League, said: "We believe there should be consequences to bigots and bigotry."

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http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1107012006

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. What's the crime, exactly?

:shrug:

[Quantess]

25. No "crime", but he's a celebrity, public figure,

being an a**hole, making infammatory, anti-semitic comments.
I predict he's mostly done in Hollywood. That's proper punishment.

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. Yes, but the headline says "Charged with hate crime"

Are they just being hyperbolic?

[Marie26]

35. The headline's wrong.

Foxman didn't ask for a criminal investigation at all. It seems like the newspaper is exaggerating this for whatever reason.

[Jara sang]

46. "done in Hollywood"... doubtful.

Although I think his next film, Apocalypto will flop, Gibson is far from "done".

[ShockediSay]

51. don't underestimate - they brought Brando to his knees

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=King+Semitic+Brando&num=30&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images

[SammyBlue]

60. "they?" Explain "they, please."

Who is "they?" And if someone says something anti-Semetic, you bring the bigot down. It happened in Denver when the Nuggets Coach screamed "why don't you drink more, you drunken Mexican fuck."

Racism got OJ off because Mark Fuhrman (now a regular on the Sean Hannity show) dropped n-bombs!

So, is Jew hating acceptable? Is Mel Gibson okay for his Jew hating, because "they" brought Marlon Brando do his knees?

People like you make me sick!

on edit: No, the fuck didn't commit a hate crime, but my G-d, crucify him for his bigotry!

[ShockediSay]

66. they who organize for the purpose of extortion

as was done in the case of Mr Brando,

if not for the purpose of reverse discrimination,

another form of extortion,

imho

Read the link
Brando was threatened with the loss of his
livelihood and career

that's extortion,
imho

[SammyBlue]

80. When you make bigotted statement, I have no sympathy.

Look at John Rocker of the Atlanta Braves! Is it your habit to defend bigots!?!

[crim son]

91. Although racism is despicable, I'm afraid it's not against the law.

That asshole Gibson wasn't making a speech, as I understand it, but was spewing the filth that lurks in his mind because he was wasted. My in-laws are anti-semitic and it's one reason I can't stand to be around them. Having said that, I don't consider their hideous talk around the barbeque Saturday night to be a hate crime, nor even hate speech, because it is intended for only the ears of a few. It stinks, it's low and creepy, but I don't believe it's a crime. And that may make you sick. I get that.

[katty]

70. they will give Mel a wooden Cross-make him walk Hollywood Blvd

dragging his cross.

[WinkyDink]

50. Threatening a police officer ALONG WITH the vile language.

[sgxnk]

64. having had

literally SCORES (at least) of these types of threats directed towards me during arrests,

generally speaking, in most jurisdictions - this not a chargeable crime

in most juridictions, thereis a threeprong test for this type of case

cops are EXPECTED to take significant verbal abuse, also

[sgxnk]

56. there IS no crime

in directing racist speech towards a police officer

if i was able to arrest every idiot who made a racial slur towards me while i, or my coworkers were in uniform, we would have had frequent flier miles on our handcuffs

racism is not a crime

nor is anti-semitism

mel is a anti-semitic kook. the DUI was a crime. directing sexist or anti-semtic comments at the arresting officer is NOT a crime

i have had racial slurs slung towards me LITERALLY scores of times during arrests, etc.

those are NOT crimes, and i have never charged anybody for such things because they are not illegal

[malaise]

61. I'm too busy thinking about

Israeli war crimes to care. Words are wind, bombs are very unkind.

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. That's unfortunate.

I'm no fan of Gibson's, but I think the perfect answer would have been to direct him to some Jewish center for community service and allow an understanding to develop through compassion. Forcing this as a criminal investigation is only going to fan the flames.

[KittyWampus]

4. "Fan Flames"= What Jewish Groups are calling for this?

[atreides1]

16. From the story

Here's one:

"Calling for a criminal investigation into the Oscar-winning actor and director's remarks, Abraham Foxman, the national director of the US Jewish Anti-Defamation League, said: "We believe there should be consequences to bigots and bigotry."


Isn't that great, calling for a criminal investigation on "Free Speech"!!!

[breakaleg]

12. What he said wasn't nice, but was it a crime?

Wouldn't he have to be found guilty of a crime to be directed to do community service? I'm referring only to his words.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. I don't know the whole "Hate Crime" prongs. But I imagine if someone

wants to make a case that he resisted arrest because he thought the deputy was a Jew, it could be done. I wouldn't recommend it, personally.

[Ian David]

23. I think cops are expected to have a thicker skin than that

A handcuffed person in custody does not constitute a threat when they're just shooting off their mouth.

Mel Gibson driving around threatening people with anti-semitic smears would be a different matter.

[KoKo]

82. MSNBC's Tucker Carlson was "whipping it up" into Hate Crime tonight!

he devoted half his show into trying to get a couple of Hollywood Gossip columnists to say that Gibson had "lost his mind" was "unstable" and Tucker practically had him as the most heinous Anti-Jewish actor who ever lived. He sounded like he wanted him committed in a mental hospital or in prison for life.

It was very strange.

[Waya]

3. Well, that didn't take long.......

What's to investigate? Gibson made slurs, he apologized - what do they want, his blood? Jail time? Hanging? Sheeeeesh.............

[Purveyor]

8. I'm sure a 'nice fat check' would do$$$ n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. And Just Who Wants A Nice Fat Check.

eom

[Totallybushed]

24. And we have a winner! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Shush

You won't get your check.

[Totallybushed]

37. Ooop.

Sorry.

[idgiehkt]

9. just to keep it in the news for as long as possible.

which ultimately will be about one tenth of the time that we were tortured with publicity about his S&M snuff film.

[pepperbear]

5. This would be a lot more effective if they probed...

it as an "I am an ignorant drunken stupid celebrity with way too much money" crime.

[nam78_two]

6. Gibson= a nut job=needs psychiatric help/nt

[Frank Cannon]

7. Oh, for pete's sake

How do Mel's idiotic comments, as anti-Semitic and embarrassing for him as they are, qualify as a "hate crime"? He was arrested for DUI, for crying out loud.

This throwing around of the term "hate crime" willy-nilly is starting to trivialize real crimes committed for reasons of bigotry. I'm tired of it.

[LostInAnomie]

10. Gibson may be an idiot and said moronic things...

... but since when is that a crime?

I guess someone remembered to take their ridiculous pill for the day.

[bluethruandthru]

11. I want Ann Coulter investigated

for Hate Crimes against Liberals!

[SaveElmer]

13. "We believe there should be consequences to bigots and bigotry."

Yes there is...he has been humiliated publically, and everywhere he goes everyone will know what he did...

Beyond that, how can you prosecute someone for being a bigot if that did not contribute to the crime...

And frankly, Gibson apologized, and hopefully he will be getting the help he needs.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. He drank and drove because he hated jews?

In all seriousness, the cover-up could possibly be a crime. And given the racism and corruption endemic to the LAPD that may very well be a hate crime.

[truebrit71]

18. Gibson is a grade A asshole, but his only crime was being DUI...

...what he SAID under the influence is not a crime....

[Quantess]

34. He was wasted. He shot his mouth off.

Drunk people tend to say and do dumb things. He isn't the first and he won't be the last to be a drunken idiot.

Take Rush Limbaugh, for instance. He says all kinds of dumb things while he's high on pills.

[truebrit71]

42. I think Lush Limpballs says stupid shit stone-cold sober...

...as do most rethuglicans...

[Quantess]

49. I know.

I just thought it would be fun to throw in a barb at Rush.

[Swamp Rat]

19. "Crucify him!"

:D :rofl:

[me b zola]

47. .

:spray:

[Meshuga]

52. Who are you quoting?

I didn't get the joke. Forgive me, I didn't get much sleep last night. :-)

[dogday]

59. You crack me up with your images

it is not just the quality of them I like, but the humor is outrageous... :rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

62. I'm just entertaining myself while I can, in this new police state.

Thanks! :hi:

[Burried News]

20. Helps to bury the news from Lebanon, doesn't it?

Qana - 60 dead, 37 children.

[Meshuga]

53. Who is trying to bury the news?

The OP? This story is tabloid material to help out with the "Jews are too sensitive" stereotype. I don't know of any Jewish organization prosecuting Mel Gibson.

[Marie26]

21. Oh, please

Gibson is a jerk & an anti-Semite, but he can express any opinion he wants in his drunken rants. The crime is driving under the influence, not his hateful remarks.

Just wanted to include how incredibly disturbing this is: Gibson is producing a Holocaust mini-series?! Ugh.

"But she questioned whether a factual TV mini-series about the Holocaust that Gibson announced he was developing late last year would now be "too hot to handle". Gibson, a Christian fundamentalist, has in past refused to criticise his father, Hutton, who has been labelled a Holocaust denier over comments claiming the Holocaust was "mostly" fiction."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Hmmm

If you read the whole article there is no mention of an actual "hate crimes" prosecution being requested by any "Jewish group"


By consequences I think Foxman believes Gibson should be ostracized for his comments.


Just like any public person would be ostracized for making bigoted comments regardless of the target.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. I have little use for Gibson, but this is overkill.

I have no doubt that he's a bigoted, drunken, slob, with more ego than talent. But, there are plenty of bars where you can find similar bigoted, drunken, slobs shooting their mouths off about women, blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims or anyone else their fried pea-brains blames for their troubles.

Hate? Yes. Crime? No.

[onenote]

28. When exactly did Foxman supposedly make this statement?

The story says that the ADL is calling for a criminal investigation and quotes Foxman. Butthe statement issued by Foxman and the ADL did not say anything about any investigaton, criminal or otherwise. Here is the ADL statement :

"Mel Gibson's apology is unremorseful and insufficient. It's not a proper apology because it does not go to the essence of his bigotry and his anti-Semitism.

His tirade finally reveals his true self and shows that his protestations during the debate over his film "The Passion of the Christ," that he is such a tolerant, loving person, were a sham. It may well be that the bigotry has been passed from the father to the son. It is unfortunate that it took an excess of booze and an encounter with a police officer to reveal what was really in his heart and mind.

We would hope that Hollywood now would realize the bigot in their midst and that they will distance themselves from this anti-Semite."

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4861_12.htm

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I Was Going To Link It But You Beat Me To It

What a nasty piece of libel.

[Marie26]

32. Complete quote

"We believe there should be consequences to bigots and bigotry," Mr Foxman said. "One way to combat bigots is to put a price on bigotry. I would hope that if this is, in fact, true, that his colleagues condemn him and distance themselves from him."

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,19964561-5006301,00.html

The Scotsman reporter out & out lied. Foxman isn't calling for a criminal investigation.

[npincus]

29. that's a bit over-the-top

from an offended Jew here... ("sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never harm me...").

BUT I WOULD file a civil suit for sexually harrasing a police sargeant.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. dupe

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. Gibson to star in Surreal Life with Flava Flave

He was heard to intone:

Crucifiction ain't no fiction
So-called chosen frozen
Apologies made to whoever pleases
Still they got me like Jesus...

:rofl:

[Seabiscuit]

38. When I first read this I thought it said "anal probe".

They may as well do that - what else are they going to "probe", his frontal lobes?

[Ignoramus]

39. Damn that south park

Made him go nuts.

[oberliner]

40. No Jewish groups have demanded Mel Gibson be investigated for hate crimes

At least none cited in this article.

What is the agenda of "scotsman.com" in running a headline like this?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. What is the agenda of the OP in starting this thread?

eom

[Solly Mack]

48. ADL link with actual wording of the press release from Foxman

It doesn't say anything about a criminal investigation.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4861_12.htm

Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:

Mel Gibson's apology is unremorseful and insufficient. It's not a proper apology because it does not go to the essence of his bigotry and his anti-Semitism.

His tirade finally reveals his true self and shows that his protestations during the debate over his film "The Passion of the Christ," that he is such a tolerant, loving person, were a sham. It may well be that the bigotry has been passed from the father to the son. It is unfortunate that it took an excess of booze and an encounter with a police officer to reveal what was really in his heart and mind.

We would hope that Hollywood now would realize the bigot in their midst and that they will distance themselves from this anti-Semite.

[Charlie Brown]

83. It does sound like he's calling for a blacklist on Gibson

In the 1950s and 60s, it was people on the left who were blacklisted for having the "wrong" beliefs, now some are calling for people on the right to be treated that way?

Gibson should get work in Hollywood based on the merits of his projects, and not his personal beliefs.

[Behind the Aegis]

65. False quote.

But it is interesting that some here are lapping it up!

[ronnykmarshall]

43. Since when is being an asshole a crime?

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Nobody Said It Was Here.

eom

[pitohui]

45. what a waste of time

gibson is a pathetic drunk and a waste of skin but his crime -- drunk driving, resisting arrest, etc -- can be best dealt with by the courts

why give mr. gibson further publicity which will no doubt simply endear him to his fundy worshippers even more?

drunks in black out say stupid things, it isn't his demented comments that deserve further attention, it's his driving under the influenc which endangers people who have to share the roads with him

[sweetheart]

54. Give him the "anal probe"

The bush administration has produced the ideal element of torture, the "anal probe". :-)

It is inserted with minimal dialation, well if 2 inches is not painful for your average stool
diameter. But such intimacies aside, the bush family calls it "the inserter" and they use it
in family games. One family member inserts the probe, and another family member gets the remote.

Then, one family member gets another to drive his stupid car down the PCH with a fucking
bottle of tequila in it. And said wanker is screwed, remotely, by the bush probe. The probe
is 3 feet long, and eventually replaces the spinal column with its extended christianTM
networked ethicless faith-based nihilism. But pray for the probe, as it will sort you out,
as just a few moments in the intestines and you can be taken over without pain, just a few implants
and oh, what a joy, just watch cable TV.

[dback]

55. Aren't the anti-Semitic killings in Seattle more important than this?

Gibson is a anti-Semitic Neanderthal who's just committed career suicide. Save the true "hate crime" terminology and wrath for that nutjob in Seattle.

[mystique]

57. I don't approve of what he said,,,

But damn, they are taking it too far. After all, freedom of speech isn't a crime.

[Mass]

73. Who is they? The quote is false. Read the ADL statement that has been

posted.

[mystique]

77. OK

Sorry about that, didn't have the time to read it through, however, I am getting sick othis being the front News, while the real News of Iraq is on hold -- as usual. Any News is better than Iraq News, I guess.

As for Mel, hate me, but I do believe we all are racist to some extend. He and Michael Jackson can get together and have a good cry now !

[blonndee]

79. Speak for yourself, okay?

"As for Mel, hate me, but I do believe we all are racist to some extend."

"We all" don't go on benders and get all anti-semitic and psycho. And this isn't the first time this racist, homophobic tool has expressed his hatred for minorities.

[Warren DeMontague]

85. "I do believe we are all racist to some extend"

Care to elaborate?

Me- I'm just a plain ol' equal opportunity misanthrope.

[BuyingThyme]

58. If this is true, Abraham Foxman gets the cover of Moron Magazine.

[Meshuga]

63. This is not true

Bogus article! Abraham Foxman's quote was taken out of context.

[FaithfulVoter]

67. so simple I cannot comment

OK. I will.

Mel is a human. Drunken humans are known to behave badly. I know from personal experience. Mel is fundamentally a jackass, as am I and at least 51% of the males of the human race. Mel is rich from doing that movie. Great! Maybe he should cut back on the drinking and relax with his friends and family more. That being said, let's move on to something important. Like maybe Israel is a proxy of the US like Hezbollah is a proxy for Iran?

<big drunken grin>

[karlrschneider]

68. That damn pesky First Amendment again...

:eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. Does It Bother You That The Original Article Is False?

eom

[karlrschneider]

76. Do you mean the Scotsman article?...or some other one, there have

been a few hundred cited. In any case, what exactly is false? Look, I have no dog in this fight, I think Gibson is pretty much an asshole regardless of this particular dustup. I guess I better go back through the thread to see what I was referring to since I don't even remember (or care, actually) what I was referring to...
I might be back...

edit: Okay, I see, I was referring to the fact that some people apparently think it's okay to make nasty comments about those they don't like but it's NOT okay for those 'other' people to return the favor.

[Mass]

69. Nice to see that the scotsman shows his antisemitic tunes.

As far as I know, this is simply false. ADL did not ask for that. This is all about how Jewish people control Hollywood, once again.

Not sure what the agenda of the OP was, however?

Here is ADL statement, in case anybody cares.
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4861_12.htm

[Rex]

72. Good, hold his feet over the fire! Mel Asshat Gibson!

I'll never see another movie by him, EVER. Asshole.

[Gabi Hayes]

74. don't they mean "thought crime?"

as repugnant as his words were, only the mentally defective (course, there are TONS of those, especially in the pugtrog voting camp), take anything he has to say seriously

free speech=hate crime=double plus good, citizens

[USA_1]

75. Gibson: Republican

Republicans can get away with anything. If it had been a Dem who said that shit the reich wing media would be saying its the Democratic party that is responsible for the culture of corruption that creates such hate.

[MrSlayer]

78. Now this is just ridiculous.

It's not a hate crime to bad mouth someone.

[Charlie Brown]

81. sorry, but Gibson's speech is as protected an anyone else's

and I don't believe in blacklists. If they want to boycott his films, fine, but don't ban people because of their beliefs or speech.

"Hate Crimes" laws will be the death of free speech.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. I don't think there's a law against being a bigoted fuck.

Nope. I just checked the Constitution. It's well within his first Amendment rights to be a big, fat, flaming, shitty movie making, anti-semitic dickhead.

[marmar]

87. If there was, Trent Lott would be in a maximum security lockup...

:)

[Warren DeMontague]

88. I know. Of course, he is sentenced to spend his life under that ridiculous

hair helmet. That's pretty bad, too.



Here he is, describing the size of his little "Grand Wizard"

[marmar]

89. "little "Grand Wizard"

LOL. :rofl: Are you suggesting that he carries all-white condoms with a pointy tip?

[Quantess]

90. Ew. He wears a bad lipstick color, too.

What's with the baby-pink lipstick? Doesn't he know his winter lipstick is the wrong color for his summer tan?

Queer Eye For the Straight Guy, he needs help!:rofl:

[Hippo_Tron]

86. If true (which appears to be in doubt), this is stupid

It's the same thing that happened when people got upset about the movie being anti-semitic. If they hadn't complained about it, Mel Gibson would probably be a few million poorer dollars poorer than he is now.