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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 10:51 PM
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Arguing with a Conservative
Found this on another forum...

How Conservatives Argue: A Case Study


Liberal: The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: No, it doesn't.

Liberal: Yes, it does. The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: What about Guam? What about that Guam, huh? Or the Virgin
Islands?

Liberal: Those are territories, not states. The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: Oh, so you're saying those don't count?

Liberal: Yes.

Conservative: Oh, so the people there don't count? They're not good
enough, huh? I thought you liberals wanted /everybody/ to be counted.

Liberal: No, I said the territories don't count as states. The USA has
fifty states.

Conservative: You're really something, you know that? You liberals are
always going on about how all of us conservatives are racists, how we
don't care about anybody but people who look like us. But you don't
even want to count the blacks who live in Guam as Americans.

Liberal: First of all, I never said all conservatives are racists.

Conservative: Yes, you did.

Liberal: No, I didn't.

Conservative: Michael Moore says it.

Liberal: I've never heard him say that.

Conservative: Yes, he does! He most definitely does!

Liberal: Look, I don't know what he says. That's beside the point. And the people in Guam "count," whatever that means. I don't even know who lives in Guam; I don't know the first thing about
Guam. I'm just saying Guam isn't a state - it's a territory. The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: What about Puerto Rico?

Liberal: What?

Conservative: What about Puerto Rico, huh? You love all those Mexicans coming across the border stealing our jobs - you must LOVE Puerto Rico, right?

Liberal: I've never been to Puerto Rico.

Conservative: Well, I have, and those kind of people would be pretty offended to hear liberals like you saying they aren't real Americans!

Liberal: I didn't say that!

Conservative: You said they didn't count!

Liberal: I didn't say that either! No, wait, just wait... (takes deep breath). I only said the USA has fifty states. Puerto Rico isn't a state - it's a commonwealth.

Conservative: And they don't speak English!

Liberal: Well, many Puerto Ricans do.

Conservative: How do you know that? I've been there - you haven't!

Liberal: All right, OK, fine, whatever. But the USA has fifty states.

Conservative: Well, I say Puerto Rico counts.

Liberal: Fine, but not as a state.

Conservative: Well, that's YOUR opinion.

Liberal: It's not my opinion - it's a fact.

Conservative: Says you!

Liberal: No, not just "says me." It's a fact. Look it up.

Conservative: I don't have time.

Liberal: You don't have time to find out if the USA has fifty states?

Conservative: Listen, you may have time to sit around all day surfing on your liberal websites, downloading Michael Moore, but I've got things to do.

Liberal: Like reading about blacks in Guam and Mexicans in Puerto Rico?

Conservative: See, that's why you guys always lose. I'm trying to have a nice conversation, and you just keep up with the insults!

Liberal: Listen, I didn't mean to insult you.

Conservative: Oh, yes you did!

Liberal: No, look, I'm sorry, OK? I didn't mean to insult you. Honestly. It's just that... well, the USA has fifty states. That's a fact. And I'm just trying to state a fact, and you're getting very
defensive, and...

Conservative: Oh, so now I'm defensive.

Liberal: Well...

Conservative: You just said you weren't going to insult me!

Liberal: Look, I'm just trying to say the USA has fifty states!

Conservative: According to YOUR sources!

Liberal: MY sources?! What are you talking about? Look it up!

Conservative: I told you, I don't have time to spend all day cruising the internet, looking up geography questions! Maybe if you were busier at your job, trying to live the American Dream, you wouldn't have time for all this hate!

Liberal: I work hard at my job!

Conservative: Then why are you spending all day downloading Michael Moore?

Liberal: I don't spend all day downloading Michael Moore! I don't even know what you mean by that! All I'm saying is that the USA has fifty states!

Conservative: Again, according to YOU!

Liberal: Not just me! Here, here's the World Book Encyclopedia. Look it up - it's fifty states!

Conservative: Oh, sure, the World Book! Yeah, like I'm going to believe the World Book!

Liberal: What?

Conservative: Come on, it's a liberal rag!

Liberal: (Long, teeth-gnashing pause) Look, just look up "United States of America." Ten bucks it says, "the USA has fifty states."

Conservative: Ten bucks, huh?

Liberal: Yeah, ten bucks. (pause) Wait, that's the "M" volume.

Conservative: I know.

Liberal: You need to look under "U" for "United States."

Conservative: I'm not looking for "United States." I'm looking for "Moore, Michael."

Liberal: What?!

Conservative: And when I find a big glowing article about him, you're going to owe me ten bucks!

Liberal: Why would I owe you ten bucks?!

Conservative: You bet me ten bucks that the World Book Encyclopedia isn't liberal.

Liberal: No I didn't!

Conservative: Yes, you did! You bet me ten bucks that I couldn't find a liberal article in the World Book. So when I find Michael Moore's picture, you owe me ten bucks!

Liberal: Oh, my lord...

Conservative: AHA!

Liberal: Listen, you idiot, just because you found Michael Moore's picture in the World Book doesn't mean that I owe you ten bucks! It doesn't mean the World Book is a liberal encyclopedia! And it certainly doesn't mean the USA doesn't have fifty states!!

Conservative: Oh, no? Look at this!

Liberal: (pause) "Massachusetts"?

Conservative: Bingo!

Liberal: What the hell does Massachusetts have to do with anything?

Conservative: The COMMONWEALTH of Massachusetts!

Liberal: So?

Conservative: So you said Puerto Rico is a commonwealth!

Liberal: Oh, no...

Conservative: You ADMITTED Puerto Rico was a commonwealth! Admit it, you said it!

Liberal: Oh, man...

Conservative: So if Massachusetts is a commonwealth, and Puerto Rico is a commonwealth, then they BOTH must be states! HA!

Liberal: OK, look...

Conservative: You owe me twenty bucks!

Liberal: What?

Conservative: Come one, pay up! Twenty bucks, let's go!

Liberal: I don't owe you twenty bucks!

Conservative: And I'm not even counting Pennsylvania!

Liberal: Pennsylvania?

Conservative: That's a commonwealth, too!

Liberal: It's a commonwealth, but...

Conservative: And Washington!

Liberal: All right, look, I lived in Seattle - Washington is NOT a commonwealth!

Conservative: Seattle's not even a state - it's a city!

Liberal: Yes, it's a city, in Washington State! Washington's a state!

Conservative: I'm talking about Washington D.C.

Liberal: What?

Conservative: Washington D.C. It's a city.

Liberal: I know what it is!

Conservative: Well, you liberals are always going on about "Statehood for Washington!" Which, you admit, is already a state!

Liberal: Washington D.C. is not a state!

Conservative: Washington State is!

Liberal: You just said Washington D.C.!

Conservative: And you said it should be a state!

Liberal: I never said that! I mean, it should be... but I never...look...

Conservative: Should Washington be a state?

Liberal: Well...

Conservative: Simple question.

Liberal: Washington State?

Conservative: Yes or No?

Liberal: Washington State or Washington D.C.?

Conservative: Right.

(Long pause)

Conservative: He snorts cocaine.

(Long, painful pause)

Liberal: (slowly) This is Washington D.C. you're talking about.

Conservative: Yeah. The mayor snorts cocaine.

Liberal: Actually, he's no longer the mayor...

Conservative: I don't think a state should have a governor who's used drugs.

Liberal: He's not the governor; Washington's not a...

Conservative: Except maybe California.

Liberal: OK, OK, stop for a moment...

Conservative: I mean, that was a long time ago...

Liberal: Listen, listen...

Conservative: I don't see Michael Moore making any movies about cocaine in Washington State, do you?

Liberal: Please, STOP!

(pause)

Liberal: Look, I'm just trying to make a simple point here...

Conservative: What about...

Liberal: STOP!!!

(long pause)

Liberal: I'm just trying to make a SIMPLE point here. It's not a big deal - it's just a fact. The USA has fifty states. That's all! Yes, Puerto Rico is a commonwealth, but it isn't counted among the fifty
states. Yes, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania are commonwealths too. So are Virginia and, I think, Kentucky. I don't know about Kentucky for sure, and you know what - it doesn't matter! They're
considered states, OK? They're states. Washington D.C. isn't one, even though I wish it
was. Guam isn't one. There are only fifty. Fifty states. Fifty stars on the flag - fifty states. That's all. Fifty.

(long pause)

Conservative: Rush is so right about you people.

Liberal: Huh?

Conservative: Rush. He gets it. You people are the worst.

Liberal: I don't...

Conservative: Here I am, trying to have an honest political discussion, and all you can do is bring up this liberal claptrap! You call people like Rush racists, but you don't want to count Mexicans as Americans. You insult the Governor of California every chance you get. You get all your information from encyclopedias and Michael Moore. You want free cocaine in Washington, and you want Seattle to become
a commonwealth, and you won't pay me my fifty dollars even after I proved that blacks run Guam! And then, worst of all, you insult our flag and our troops!!! You disgust me!

Liberal: Good-bye.

Conservative: See, there you liberals go again! Sneaking off to download porn from Kentucky! I'm not forgetting you owe me 100 dollars!

(pause)

Conservative: That's it, cut and run!

(long pause)

Conservative: Why do you hate America?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 10:54 PM
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1. Brilliant!
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 10:57 PM
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2. OMG! That is SO GOOD.
I need to go take a nap just from reading it!!
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:01 PM
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3. HAHAHAHA...that is SO how it goes. Awesome! n/t
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:04 PM
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4. Fantastic!
Arguing with conservatives is like trying to get a kindergartner to comprehend advanced math. They don't get it no matter how hard you try to explain it. So then they divert and throw a little fit.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:06 PM
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5. Okay, people, Fess UP! Who has been listening to my phone calls?
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 11:07 PM by mcscajun
:hide:

Seriously, I have a Republican friend with whom I used to discuss politics, among many, many other things we still talk about, but when he started getting most of his news from Fox and the CNSNews website, his views got more and more bizarre and things started to get ugly. Many of our arguments ran just like the one above. MY blood pressure would climb, one of us would start yelling, and finally, I had to tell him we could NO longer discuss politics. Period.

Just reading the exchange above got my blood up...whoever wrote that one Has the Thing NAILED.
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:10 PM
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6. One big straw man argument, but...
...it's sure nice to give them a taste of their own medicine.

Sounds like something o'reilly would say.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:16 PM
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9. If it weren't for Straw Man, Ad Hominem, the False Dilemma,
Sweeping Generalizations, and other significant logical fallacies, they'd have nothing much to argue about.

They certain have a distaste for facts.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:12 PM
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7. That is really good
Good job
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:12 PM
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8. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Here's another little vignette


A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted
a man in a boat below. She shouted to him,

"Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago,
but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're 840 feet above sea level.
You are at 31 degrees, 14.29 minutes north latitude, and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes
west longitude."

She rolled her eyes and said, "YOU must be a democrat."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

The balloonist answered, "Everything you told me is technically correct,
but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I am still lost.
Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

The man smiled and responded, "YOU must be a Republican."

"I am," replied the balloonist, "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going.
You've risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made
a promise that you have no idea how to keep, then you expect me to solve
your problem. You're in exactly the same situation you were before we met
but, somehow, now it's my fault."
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Bushy Being Born Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 06:15 PM
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27. Hahaha!
That was even better than the original post! :D
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:16 PM
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10. K&R
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PatrioticLeftie Donating Member (909 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:17 PM
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11. I can picture this happening
Which is actually a very frightening proposition...
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:30 PM
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14. Picture?
I deal with it almost daily... and it's not all that exagerated.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:24 PM
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12. My version:
Liberal: The USA has fifty states.

Conservative: No, it doesn't.

Liberal: Oh really? How many does it have then?

Conservative: 52.

Liberal: 52? How?

Conservative: What about Guam? What about that Guam, huh? Or the Virgin Islands?

Liberal: You think those are states?

Conservative: Yes. Oh, and Puerto Rico. 53.

Liberal: OK, 53. Who are the governors of Guam, Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico?

Conservative: How the hell should I know?

Liberal: Who are the Senators and Representatives ?

Conservative: What do yo think I do, download Michael Moore off the internet all day like you?

Liberal: Why are there only 100 Senators in the Senate, 2 per state if there are 53 states?

Conservative: Are you calling me a liar now?

Liberal: Dumbass.... (walks away)
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:28 PM
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13. k&r
:bounce:
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:30 PM
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15. I lived on Guam for four years...
the Guamanians are dark but I wouldn't call them black!!

That is pretty funny and so close to the truth it's scary!!
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 11:47 PM
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16. Discussing anything with a rabid conservative is like. . .
reciting Longfellow to your dog. His head cocks, his ears go up, he wags his tail, but all he's really thinking is "Is it time to eat yet?"
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 12:21 AM
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17. I admire your tenacity
I would have taken off running far sooner than you did. :banghead:
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 10:01 AM
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18. Arguing with conservatives
Arguing with conservatives is like jumping off a cliff together; on the way down you have to argue wether the jump had anything to do with the rocks below coming racing up towards you.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:18 PM
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19. LOL...that's good...
Here's how I argue with conservatives:

Liberal: The U.S. has 50 states.

Conservative: No it doesn't.

Liberal: Eat shit, you ignorant bastard! :evilgrin:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:23 PM
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20. the outline for every repuke speech
I. Welcome all the fellow criminals

II. Lie du jour

III. 9-11

IV. Lie

V. 9-11

VI. Lie

VII. 9-11

VII. Lie
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 02:28 PM
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21. that was good
thanks for posting!
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:41 PM
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22. Kick
:kick:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:43 PM
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23. head goes explodey
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 03:46 PM
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24. That's (almost) better than the Abbott & Costello routine
Then again, maybe it is. I'd love to see that acted out sometime!
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:02 PM
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25. That is GREAT!!!
K,R&Bookmarked!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :kick:
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 05:25 PM
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26. I see Bill O'Reilly when I read that
He would be perfect for that role :evilgrin:
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 06:27 PM
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28. he he...
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-19-06 06:30 PM
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29. That is SO friggin hilarious & RIGHT ON THE MONEY

That is EXACTLY what it is like trying to have a 'discussion' with a neo-con.

It is utterly, totally, impossible.

Useless.
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