I Finally Connected the Dots... Why is Porn a Top Priority for Gonzales???

[Peter Frank]

With all the huge international and internal issues facing America -- why would our Attorney General make internet porn a top priority?

When FBI supervisors in Miami met with new interim U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta last month, they wondered what the top enforcement priority for Acosta and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales would be.

Would it be terrorism? Organized crime? Narcotics trafficking? Immigration? Or maybe public corruption?

The agents were stunned to learn that a top prosecutorial priority of Acosta and the Department of Justice was none of the above. Instead, Acosta told them, it's obscenity. Not pornography involving children, but pornographic material featuring consenting adults.<snip>

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1125318960389

And there's this:

Recruits Sought for Porn Squad
By Barton GellmanWashington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; Page A21

The FBI is joining the Bush administration's War on Porn. And it's looking for a few good agents. Early last month, the bureau's Washington Field Office began recruiting for a new anti-obscenity squad. Attached to the job posting was a July 29 Electronic Communication from FBI headquarters to all 56 field offices, describing the initiative as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and, by extension, of "the Director." That would be FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III.

Mischievous commentary began propagating around the water coolers at 601 Fourth St. NW and its satellites, where the FBI's second-largest field office concentrates on national security, high-technology crimes and public corruption.

The new squad will divert eight agents, a supervisor and assorted support staff to gather evidence against "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography -- not the kind exploiting children, but the kind that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults.

"I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on the condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091901570.html

Still confused? Well, so was I until I saw this (thank you Newsjock for your LBN post -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2050453):

Feds want Google search records...
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/13657303.htm

How clear does this have to become? Under the ruse of checking pornography, this administration is attempting to do what it could never accomplish through the front door of our Constitution! Through a back door, it is attempting to gain control of the internet -- the last bastion of totally free speech!

Now, doesn't Gonzales' list of priorities make sense?

[Tsiyu]

1. Y'know, porn could be the thing that saves us

A lot of folks are apolitical, but try to take away their porn and you've suddenly got a fight on your hands.

[NMMNG]

3. You bet

Even the Freepers will be having a cow. A week or so ago they were violently defending their "right" to go to strip clubs, even on the company dime. Can you imagine if their precious Dumbya tries to take away their porno?

[Tsiyu]

4. I heard one of those morning show radio goons - who formerly

seemed sweet on ** - go ballistic over the porn issue. The shock jocks will sell this one.

:popcorn:

[NMMNG]

7. Yeah, they're always blathering about "family values"

But eventually the truth comes out. :evilgrin:

[bliss_eternal]

26. Apparently family values includes

gettin' a little on the side. :P

I watched a documentary on dominatrixes and what their 'work' entails. I was blown away to find out that most, if not all of their patrons are 'Wall Street types' guys that handle major financial deals, corporate attorneys, etc. Translation--republicans. Why is it always those guys that get off on that kind of stuff? Kind of cracks me up...

Think about it, wouldn't THAT be a great job? Kicking some republican's ass and making him suffer--and he gives you money to do so and begs you for MORE?! :evilgrin:

[FreedomAngel82]

35. LOL

Can you imagine if it was someone really high up in the republican party? LOL. But it does make sense I guess. I remember one time seeing an interview or something like that with someone who did that and said how they liked to sometimes have the control take away from their finger tips for a while because they're always in control in the work force. I guess a stress releaver or something. :shrug:

[bliss_eternal]

44. Yes, that's what a couple of the guys said

in the documentary I saw. They liked having the control taken away, sometimes to the extent of being degraded or humiliated. They arrange for their 'fantasies' prior to their appointments.

One guy liked having a little tail attached to his bum, and made to crawl on his hands and knees--to crawl around and bark like a dog--while wagging the little tail of course. :rofl:

The thing that is a mystery to me is how the hell do they KNOW they are into such things? Does one just wake up one day thinking,"...it would be so HOT if I could be a naughty, little dog and get spanked!" :crazy:

[DarkTirade]

45. It's a role reversal thing

Most people who are dominant in their normal life are submissive in the bedroom, and vice versa.
Not sure why exactly.

[NMMNG]

65. I heard somewhere that many "adult babies" are the big Wall Street types

also. It has something to do with the fact that they spend so much of their lives being in control and having to hold so much responsibility, that during their "off hours" they like to completely relinquish control to another person. Some do it by becoming a submissive to a dominatrix, and others by regressing to "babyhood" and having a "mommy" who takes care of them.

Different strokes for different folks.

[The Doctor.]

68. Those gals make money hand over fist...

I think I saw the same documentary.

$400-$800 an hour!!!

I tried to convince my wife to take it up...

[FreedomAngel82]

33. LOL!

What ever happened to protecting the children?!?! Who will think of them?! :sarcasm:

[NMMNG]

66. The freepers,

while they're having circle jerks over pics of them.







Oops did I just say that out loud. :evilgrin:

[fishwax]

53. were they really?

Even the Freepers will be having a cow. A week or so ago they were violently defending their "right" to go to strip clubs, even on the company dime.

I missed that :rofl:

[wakeme2008]

2. IMHO the cat is out of the bag

Had they framed the Google information and other porn issues with the knee jerk title of War on Kiddie Porn, IMHO the sheep would have said No Problem... But they didn't. Mmmmmmmm

[Peter Frank]

5. My Guess is that...

...kiddie porn is already regulated on the net. So the "moralists" had to attack adult porn in order to go after Google search records.

This brings up another interesting point. The Google Tool-bar is already in the pocket of the government (un-install it if you have it. It tracks & reports all your internet activities to the government).

Now the Fed wants to gain control of simple search data? The friggin' thought police are going to guess what we mean by our search words???!!!

This is some really scary shit.


Do not give in. More than that -- Boldly affirm and reaffirm our Constitution with all its rights & privileges at every opportunity.

[Chiyo-chichi]

41. Google toolbar?

>The Google Tool-bar...tracks & reports all your internet activities to the government. <

Got a link? I'm afraid to google it for more info.

[rodeodance]

6. I believe the EU said NO. they are fighting this.

[SpiralHawk]

8. The BushCo League of Purity

will straighten all you perverts out, as soon as they add up their MegaProfits from the Republican culture of corruption.

[Maraya1969]

18. But they ARE the perverts! I don't think they want to get their own

in trouble. Remember Jimmy Swaggert. BTW KO how many times do we have to watch that idiot cry for forgiveness on your apology of fame?

[spooked]

9. HERE is where you CAN see what people are searching for REAL TIME

http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/searchspy/results.htm?fci=1?filter=0&qcat=web

It's the SearchSpy feature at www.dogpile.com

You can "watch" people's "filtered" or "unfiltered" search terms.

BEWARE...this link is to the UNFILTERED version.

[Peter Frank]

10. How does this relate...

...to Gonzales' attempt to gain control of the web?

[spooked]

11. It related to them wanting Google's records...

Thought it's interesting that what you search for isn't so private anyway.

[Peter Frank]

12. I See...

Thanks for splaining.

You know what's going on, right? If the PNAC cabal is allowed to control the web, all dissent becomes isolated & ineffectual (worse, the "dissidents" are punished as traitors).

I'm not an alarmist, but I am alarmed at the liberties taken by this government (I'm not even a Democrat).

[doublethink]

40. Your PNAC reference is right on the button .....

From the document entitled 'Rebuilding America's Defense's in the PNAC archives .....(year 2000)

Page V .... under their 4 core missions we read this ....
"CONTROL the new international commons of space and CYBERSPACE and pave the way for the new military service the U.S. space forces, with the mission of space control." -snip-

Page 51 .......
"CONTROL of space and CYBERSPACE. Much as CONTROL of the high seas and the protection of international commerce defined Global Powers in the past, so will CONTROL of the new 'international commons' be a key to world power in the future. An America incapable of protecting it's interests or that of it's allies in space or the 'INFO-SPHERE' will find it difficult to exert Global Political Leadership" -snip-

Page 57 .......
"If outer space represents an emerging medium of warfare then "CYBERSPACE" and in particularly THE INTERNET hold similar promise of threat. And as with space access to and use of cyberspace and the INTERNET are emerging elements in global commerce, politics, and power. Any nation wishing to assert itself Globally must take into account this other new global commons" -snip-

And finally from page 57 the word CONTROL finally surfaces again ......
"Although many concepts of 'cyber-war have elements of science fiction about them, the role of the Defense Department in establishing 'CONTROL' or even on what 'security' on the INTERNET means requires consideration of a host of legal, moral, and political issues, there nonetheless will remain an imperative to deny America and it's allies enemies the ability to disrupt or paralyze either the military or the commercial sector's computer networks. Conversely an offensive capability could offer Americas military and political leaders an invaluable tool in disabling an adversary in a decisive manner. -snip-

My last comment, security is one thing but .... "Power corrupts, and absolute Power corrupts Absolutely" Peace. :)

link to the document PDF format: http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

[Peter Frank]

59. Great catch...

Make no mistake -- Under Cheney, Bu$h's PNAC cabinet has already seized more federal control than any administration in history, and they consider this only the beginning. They have much larger and much more sinister plans.

[NVMojo]

70. now this is fucking scary!

[doublethink]

75. There are other written sources .......

dealing with the Bush Regimes 'roots of policy' from back when. But more often than not they 'pull' something that takes me back to the PNAC documents more than any others. A light goes on in my head, I re-look-it-up and bingo, there it is, they told us what they were going to do all along! I'm begging to think the PNAC documents are becoming to Bush, what Mein Kampf was to Hitler. If more people had a-hold of Mein Kemph (which pretty much spelled out what Hitler wanted to pull off down the road) they could have seen what was coming when that guy got the power he did. Keep the faith, Peace.

oh and from the same PNAC document above, page 17: "Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has." -snip- Other documents in their archives expand upon this, so it never should have been a big surprise to anyone that the war drums are-a-pounding loudly against that Country too....

[yellowdogmi]

31. Can we use this

by like typing in repeatedly the term impeach or other things like that?

[NashVegas]

46. This Thing's A Riot!

There're some horrible spellers out there.

[SupplyConcerns]

62. Some interesting searches

"i jack off"
milkman porn
max bass

[SmokingJacket]

51. That's great!

It's sad to see how many are spelled wrong -- they'll never find what they're looking for!

My favorite: "censorship pros and cons."

I'd love to read that essay: "some of the cons of censorship is that it is against freedom. Some of the pros are that we can catch terrists..."

[arikara]

61. Okaaay... most of it seems quite innocuous

things like:

chaplain jobs
how to make blubber
hemmoriods (?)
montery police departmetn
hostess apron

and just what is "monkey sex"?

[txindy]

67. "t-shirt moose mooning" was a search term?!

:rofl:

:rofl:

[radwriter0555]

13. PROFITS.

It's about profits.... making money, and a lot of it under the table.

[Peter Frank]

14. Bu$h's Tax Cuts Make the Obscene Profits "Over the Table"...

But there's much more to this than financial profits.

Can you say, "New Squirreled Order?"

[LizW]

15. Yes, you've got it.

:(

[Coexist]

16. I just quoted this on Washington Journal!

"How clear does this have to become? Under the ruse of checking pornography, this administration is attempting to do what it could never accomplish through the front door of our Constitution! Through a back door, it is attempting to gain control of the internet -- the last bastion of totally free speech!"

They really didn't respond.
Heehee.

[Peter Frank]

30. Got a link?... n/t

[Maraya1969]

17. HA! Someone said yesterday that they Googled "George Bush

sucks Dick Cheney's Dick" or something like that as a joke. So of course I had to GOOGLE it!

Maybe I'm on the list! :rofl:

Too bad these lists weren't made public. We could have a contest to see who gets on the most lists.

[Art_from_Ark]

19. They're just trying to take this last bit of freedom away

before the "terrists" do :banghead:

[rman]

20. they're looking for an plausible excuse for internet regulation

since it being an alternate communications- and news network mostly outside the control of the powers that be, is a great threat to them.

[rucky]

21. I always thought it would be gool to have a job...

where you get paid to surf for porn. I figured that was Gonzales' dream to, and now he has the power to make it a reality.

But I'm sentimental that way. You're theory makes much more sense.

[blogslut]

24. Maybe the AG should ask his son...

...Until he abruptly quit last month - around the time that President Bush nominated his stepfather, White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales, to be U.S. attorney general - Web designer Jared Freeze worked as a consultant for notorious pornographer Larry Flynt.

A knowledgeable source told Lowdown that the twentysomething Freeze - a child from the previous marriage of Gonzales' wife, Rebecca - left Flynt's employ at the urging of Gonzales, who was said to be worried that the Hustler magazine connection might cause political damage during his confirmation hearings.

But Flynt disputed that version yesterday.

"No," he told me through a rep. "He resigned after Alberto Gonzales was nominated, because he felt it would be prudent..."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/260719p-223200c.html

[NVMojo]

71. hmm, maybe they want to find more Jeff Gannon sites???

[nashville_brook]

60. a friend of mine had thay job

'internet filtering.' he's a happy guy.

[jasmeel]

22. Exactly my thought too!! Who could criticize wanting to investigate

child porn? If you criticize it maybe YOU do it?!! What are you hiding? Pornography, my ass!

[seabeyond]

23. this is how i saw it, reading about this early this morning

really has little to do with porn, and all to control what is put on net, and what could be found on google search. i bet miserable failure will disappear along with scalitas speech to a bunch of lawyers in chicago, that he said women would have to learn to stand behind man and blacks better remember the 1930's and 40's

[glitch]

25. Click! Thank you for connecting that dot for me too. nt

[KittyWampus]

27. Very good deduction.

[hunter]

28. The connection may be even more direct than that...

At the risk of getting anthrax in my mailbox, perhaps they are looking for some particular porn they lost?

[Buns_of_Fire]

29. Because he wants it all for himself?

That was my first thought, but I have to admit yours makes better sense. :-)

[FreedomAngel82]

32. It wouldn't surprise me

They're doing anything they can to control the internet.

[Matariki]

34. BINGO

as a friend of mine likes to say "children are the crowbar of fascism". got to protect 'the children'.

[Imagevision]

36. This sounds very serious -- Much news about this corrupt admistration

is learned and quickly spread via the net -- sad day in this world if Bush is successful in gagging the internet...!

[Pacifist Patriot]

37. It's where I get all my news about this fascist dictatorship.

That's right NSA hacks and our pitiful excuse for a "president." You read it correctly. Come get me.

[samhsarah]

38. Slam Dunk Peter Frank!!!!

When I saw that Google post this morning, the same thought went through my mind. You hit the nail head on.

[Pastiche423]

39. Searching for pics of whistle ass and JACK abramOFF via Google?

Hmmm.............. ass + jackoff

[Retrograde]

42. porn dealers don't generally have big guns?

Going after terrorists, drug cartels, organized crime etc. is dangerous - those people are armed! And corporate criminals are worse - they have lawyers!

Going after porn is by comparison easy and safe, and generates headlines so it looks like the AG is doing something.

[greiner3]

43. I have some, and I'll defend to the death any FIB asshole;

Who comes into my house and tries to take it. It's mine!

[mongo]

48. 'taint you they're after

I however can go to jail for 5 years for the heinous crime of selling a movie made by and for consenting adults.

[bloom]

52. Did you see where the Bloomington, IN man got 100 years (child porn)?

A Bloomington man who used two girls to create pornography that he sold on the Internet has been sentenced to 100 years in prison.

David Andrew Turner, 41, also collected at least 5,000 sexual photos and videos of other children.

Susan W. Brooks, U.S. attorney for the Southern District, which includes two-thirds of the state, said prosecutors wanted to ensure that Turner would never be free to prey upon children again.

"This is one of the most egregious cases that our office has ever seen,'' she said.

The sentence was the longest ever meted out for such a crime in the Southern District. Turner must serve at least 85 years of that sentence under federal guidelines...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060119/NEWS01/601190420

[mongo]

55. Hadn't seen that

But I wasn't talking about CHILD PORN -- I'm talking about movies made by and for consenting adults.

The guy in the story you posted got what he deserved (glad it wasn't that judge that recently gave a child rapist 2 months)

Still -- this should dispell any myths about child porn being some huge industry (or connected with the adult entertainment industry in any way):

Brooks said the investigation showed that Turner, who was unemployed, was receiving about $1,000 a month from people who paid to get pornography from him.

Jesus, 12 grand a year peddling child porn? Obviously, money was not his motivation.

[ktlyon]

47. like Gore said corporations should refuse to comply

or stop, if they are participating in illegal activities.
If no personal information is disclosed, just numbers it might be legal. But still it sounds like Big Brother to me.

[Imagevision]

49. it is an attempt to gain control of the internet - to control spreading of

real news events the msm won't permit to be heard about.

[savemefromdumbya]

50. Just an excuse to see what we are searching

and to stop us searching. I think they spy on Google already.

[Nothing Without Hope]

54. Yes, freedom of the internet is at risk and this is very important...BUT>>

I can't resist the facetious suggestion that THIS is what the subject of Porn investigations ought to be. Toles is so frigging brilliant!

[oasis]

56. Porn is good for purposes of blackmail. Sen. Reid...Rep. Waxman. get it?

[NVMojo]

57. I am stunned at the evil afoot in our government.

[nashville_brook]

58. rem handmaid's tale -- the guys executed were tried for rape

gotta protect our women-folk.

[upi402]

64. Yahoo groups are being monitored -Thom Hartman

I heard his show today and he said Yahoo is already allowing gov't to track their groups. And even after you're logged out of the group, they track the people that have used them afterwards too.

Is this for real? Is this America?

[upi402]

63. Nice linkage. Great post.

So, I wont be playing chess with _you_ Peter Frank!

[Peter Frank]

69. It was an "Aha" thing...

I'd been wondering why our AG was putting so much emphasis on adult porn. Sure, it's a home issue for Bu$h's evangelical base; but why all the high priority activity -- especially with a presidential election so far away?

When I saw Newsjock's LBN thread, everything clicked into place.

This administration is going to the well of "moralism" once again, to pull the wool over the heads of the sheep ...in order to pursue a hidden/high priority objective -- stifle & seize control of the web.

Cheney and the PNAC cabinet are playing high stakes poker with our Constitutional America -- internally and internationally. Patriots of every stripe need to call their hand NOW!

[Triana]

72. That's exactly what they're doing...

...I posted that same sentiment here twice yesterday.

It's NOT about porn. "Porn" is just a ruse for them to get their hands on the technology so they can control the net. If they say it's about "Porn" they can slip that by the American people with nary a squeak.

Like always, if they said what they're REALLY up to, Americans would NEVER approve of or allow it. They lied about WMD for the same reason. After we all found out it was lies, it was too late.

Same will be with the internet....

[Peter Frank]

73. It's Always a Shell Game With These People...

Every time they come out strongly for something -- we have to figure out what they're really after.

[Triana]

74. pretentious...

....hypocrisy.

The Hallmark of Republicans

[Peter Frank]

76. In this case - Patently Unconstitutional...

Also, if the fed gets access to these records -- although it claims not to be going after personal info ...Google has concerns the access to personal files could be attained.

And then you really do have Big Brother.

[spanone]

77. delete wrong thread.

[bobbieinok]

78. have read that many corps have a 'hidden porn group' that makes$$$

and add to corporate profits

[bobbieinok]

79. didn't a W state of the union speech 'out of nowhere' start ranting

about sex slavery???.....

I see a link to this 'out of nowhere' concern about porn

I think this was before Neil Bush's
Asian 'sex trip'.........some also connected it with the sex rings in NE (Franklin??) ..... Johnny Gosch was kidnapped for a national (with ties to federal govt?) sex ring according to his mother

[Peter Frank]

80. The PNAC Cabal Has Shown Extraordinary Prowess...

...in gaining power by subverting social issues.

[Lars39]

83. Wasn't he at the UN at the time?

I remember how bizarre it was. Well, worse than usual. :)

[Nikki Stone 1]

81. Maybe they just don't want people accessing the Abu Ghraib photos

Those are the most pornographic photos on the planet.

[Peter Frank]

82. Indeed...

The those pics are as obscene as any on the web.

[PWRinNY]

84. Same thing that had them drooling over a blowjob

They're sick f*cks who are just jealous Monica didn't give THEM a bj.