Evidence of a Stolen Election - by Paul Craig Roberts

[helderheid]

As coincidence would have it, Mark Crispin Miller’s new book, Fooled Again (Basic Books), documenting the Republican theft of the 2004 presidential election, arrived in the same mail delivery with the January 12 edition of the Defuniak Springs Herald, the locally owned weekly newspaper in a Florida panhandle county seat.

The Florida panhandle is thorough-going Republican. Even Democrats run as Republicans. Nevertheless, the newspaper’s editor, Ron Kelley, believes that American political life is measured by something larger than party affiliation. In his editorial, "The shepherds and the sheep," Kelley reports that two Florida counties have banned any further use of Diebold voting machines after witnessing a professional demonstration that the machines, contrary to Diebold’s claim, are easily hacked to record votes differently from the way in which they are cast by voters.

The pre-election statement by Diebold’s CEO that he would work to deliver the election to Bush was apparently no idle boast. In five states where the new "foolproof" electronic voting machines were used, the vote tallies differed substantially from the exit polls. Such a disparity is unusual. The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in one million.

Miller describes considerably more election fraud than voting machines programmed to count a proportion of Kerry votes as Bush votes. Voters were disenfranchised in a number of ways. Miller reports incidences of intimidation of, and reduced voting opportunities for, poorer voters who tend to vote Democrat.

Some of Miller’s evidence is circumstantial. However, he documents widespread Republican dirty tricks and foul play. The media’s indifference to a stolen election burns Miller as much as the stolen election itself.

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More at...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts140.html

[helderheid]

1. About the author

Dr. Roberts is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former contributing editor for National Review, and a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.

Write him at:


[e-mail]

[helderheid]

38. a google search on this guy pulls up some facinating articles. He

definitely doesn't like the * administration. Hope he isn't "depressed".

[autorank]

54. Big Smiles...Great Post...RECOMMENDED...Rate this up

:yourock:

[GreenPartyVoter]

62. Wow. That is quite a resume!

[helderheid]

67. Indeed! A CONSERVATIVE!

[texpatriot2004]

2. Selection 2000 Stolen E-Vote 2004 nm

[helderheid]

3. sounds right.

[npincus]

4. wow

just sent link to Rawstory

[helderheid]

17. thank you! I appreciate you sending it on to them. I want this to spread

like wildfire.

[samhsarah]

5. thanks for posting this!

K,R,&Bookmarked:kick:

[helderheid]

11. you betcha. Our elections and the media - the most important things we

need to focus on.

[IndyOp]

6. CONSERVATIVES believe the election was stolen !!

When the Reagan Administration's Boys come out saying that Election 2004 was stolen - that is *big*!!

Three bounces for the Palecons!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[tblue37]

33. Why does Paul Craig Roberts hate America? (eom)

[helderheid]

34. LOL!

[kineneb]

49. PCR is a paleocon who has "seen the light"

I have been reading his columns for about a year, and while some of his social ideas are clearly 19th century, his views on the current admin. are dead on. He firmly believes that the Constitution is being trampled in the dust and is righteously pissed off. Another victim of "I did not leave the party, it left me."

[stepnw1f]

7. The Election Was Stolen..Bush Must Resign NOW!

We have to force this maniac out of office... he has cost this country way too much already. Three more years? No f*n way!!!!

[helderheid]

37. he really has to go. I'll bring the moving truck.

[zalinda]

60. Wow, what are those green things?

Jello, corn, something alien.........maybe it's where our votes went.

zalinda

[helderheid]

61. LOL! I think it's jell-o!

[Nikki Stone 1]

8. He's preaching to the choir here. It's the sheeple freepers that need to

get the theft through their heads.

[helderheid]

9. For the most part. There are some here who call this tinfoil hat material.

[mopinko]

10. really, lots of them here.

unless they are all freepers in disguise. and then there is al franken and jerry springer, and....
it ain't just the freepers passing out the tinfoil hats.

[helderheid]

12. This should be sent to Franken and Springer and, well, everybody.

:thumbsup:

Oh, and GORE.

[helderheid]

14. And Eminem. Just watched Mosh II

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x182403

[bloom]

36. From what I heard

Al Franken aligns himself with the DLC which aligns itself with the PNAC (at least Will Marshall does).

And then there is this guy, Paul Craig Roberts, who aligns himself with Olin and the Wall Street Journal which align themselves with the PNAC - so you have to wonder how Paul Craig Roberts can get away with what seems to be the opposite direction as the neocons.

(Although it seems that the neocons might be fed up Bush these days - and I also noticed that AIPAC was getting frustrated that Bush wasn't doing more of what they wanted).

Paul Craig Roberts wrote this recently as well. It dosn't sound like something you would expect from a "John Olin fellow" (unless they are done with Bush)...

January 16, 2006
Bush Has Crossed the Rubicon
by Paul Craig Roberts

http://antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=8395

[bloom]

72. ie. "AIPAC slams Bush's Iran policy"

Pro-Israel lobbying group criticizes Bush administration for reversing stance on Iran's nuclear program, failing to support bringing case before U.N.'s Security Council. New policy is disturbing and dangerous, AIPAC says in letter to Congress
Yitzhak Benhorin

American President George W. Bush's handling of Iran's nuclear program is "disturbing" and dangerous," pro-Israel lobbying group AIPAC (The American Israel Public Affairs Committee) claimed this week in a letter circulated to supporters on Capitol Hill, The Washington Post reported Sunday.

AIPAC, which clashed with democratic and republican leaders in the past, has until now remained supportive of Bush and his administration, considered to be one of Israel's greatest allies.

However, the pro-Israel lobby set out to target Bush and his strategy, after the president recently reversed his stance on the Iranian issue, and decided to hold off pushing to report Iran's nuclear case to the U.N. Security Council.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3189709,00.html

[blm]

13. 1 in 5 by my observation. Guess they have more faith in BushInc's ethics

than the rest of us.

[helderheid]

15. sleeper freepers?

[mopinko]

18. more like

sleeping with one eye open.
or paid freepers. some of them do seem to post 24/7.

[satya]

19. LOL! Gotta watch out for those sleeper freeper cells, eh? nt

[helderheid]

21. yeah, they're real creepers! JEEPERS!

[mopinko]

16. "i get more and more

cynical the older i get, but it is never enough to keep up."- lily tomlin.
i will have to live to be 250 to keep up with these guys. or maybe i am there. i see evil behind everything they do. and see them behind most evil. i have yet to be surprised. sad state of affairs.

[Dr.Phool]

63. You can add Sen. Bob Graham to the "tinfoil hat" brigade.

When I started reading this guys credentials, I was saying "What the fuck"". The Olin Foundation is VERY conservative (Olin Corporation makes depleted uranium rounds), Plus WSJ, etc.

3 years ago, I was on the Florida Voting Machine Task Force. Sounds official, but really was a group of people who were doing research within the Pasco County DEC. With Janet Reno's encouragement (She was a victim of the fraud in the Florida Gubernatorial Primary), we took our findings to Senator Bob Graham's staff and he was so distressed that he introduced legislation requiring a paper ballot in the Senate. It never got out of committee.

In the 2004, working the Kerry campaign, and polling places on election day, we documented thousands of disrepancies in the machines before the polls closed, and EVERY SINGLE ONE was in Bush's favor.In my county alone, Bush won by 19,000 votes. But Betty Castor, who was running for US Senate against Mel Martinez won the county, but lost the state by less than 1%. I'm sorry, but no way do 19,000 people go into a voting booth and vote for the shrub, and Betty Castor at the same time.

Another friend of mine was the member of the "Kerry Legal Response Team" that was supposed to challenge all of this, and make sure every vote was counted. After Kerry conceded early in the morning, they were told by the Kerry Campaign to "stand down", and they never did report the problems.

If things really are as bad as we suspect(know), we are truly fucked, and nothing short of a revolution will save us.

Did you get all that Agent Mike? The NSA has had the ability to pick up and sift this post for decades now, and being one of those "disruptor sites", There's no doubt that at the same time I hit "post message", a printer at Ft. Meade will spit it out.

[bleever]

20. K&R for the spreading of the truth.

Thanks, helderheid.

:thumbsup:

[helderheid]

22. Hi bleever!

:hug: :hi:

[EstimatedProphet]

23. Yes, but the problem has been fixed.

The machines have a paper trail now. So the problems with verification have been fixed. It is no longer acceptable to question the machines. They have a paper trail. Therefore, whatever they report is right. They are accurate, so there is no need to check the paper trail, ever. So, since the machines are right, the 2004 election was valid.

Now, go watch American Idol. Right now.

[helderheid]

24. It has not been fixed. The vote on record is the electronic vote in most

States using these machines which means you can press the screen to vote for candidate A. The paper trail can say "You voted for Candidate A" and the vote in the machine can read candidate B. Unless they are auditing the paper trail and that is the vote on record, it's useless.

I hate American Idol.

Edited to add that I'm a nincompoop for not catching the :sarcasm: in your post!

[helderheid]

25. Oh jeeeeebs. I'm sorry. I didn't catch the sarcasm! LOL!

:rofl:

[EstimatedProphet]

26. No problem

I just couldn't bring myself to use the sarcasm tag and give it away!

[helderheid]

27. My son had me distracted. It's my story and I'm stickin to it!

[Peace Patriot]

30. I got the sarcasm, but I still want to say that, even in California, we

have only a ONE PERCENT automatic recount, which is entirely insufficient for electronic voting, in which the programming code is controlled by Bushite corporations, and in which massive election fraud can occur at the speed of light, leaving no trace. The 1% is supposedly randomly selected, but such a minimal audit could still hide election-determining problems with individual machines and central tabulators. We need at least a TEN PERCENT audit recount. Diebold GEMS tabulators (in common use) are controlled by Bushites with secret, proprietary source code!

And I just found out something else. California voters are more and more using absentee ballot voting because they don't trust electronic voting. It's up to 50% in some counties. But these votes are not counted until several days later. Ergo: the "early returns" are based only on the electronic machine "votes"--thus facilitating false "calls" by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies which, as we know, can influence election outcomes.

There is a fascinating transcript on this topic--a kickass meeting of Dem grass roots in San Fernando Valley (near Los Angeles) at which (Diebold shill) Connie McCormack (head of L.A. county elections) fails to answer critically important questions, and hedges her bets with "I'm not a technical expert" and "I don't make the decisions" (on voting systems). It's well worth a read on what is happening in the trend-setting state of California. A peoples' rebellion, actually.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=409746&mesg_id=409857

[helderheid]

32. I too plan to vote absentee.

[Kolesar]

28. I would like to sign up for one of those Diebold classes on how to hack ..

...their Diebold (tm) machines. I am sure they would have to offer them in Ohio, home of Wally Odell and Kenneth Blackwell. I could meet some Republicans at class and finally figure out how they think and what motivates them to steal elections.

[helderheid]

29. It's all the central tabulater baby!

http://udpc.org/evote-lowband.htm

[Kolesar]

31. It's all right there, open the GEMS file..Bev just showed all the gops how

to hack in and steal the election! Who needs a seminar?!

Seriously, though, a conspiracy would still have to be executed by several people at several locations to throw a state from one candidate to another. Someone would talk eventually. Thanks for answering. I learned something.

[helderheid]

35. Maybe - maybe not - the central tabulators are apparently able to be

connected to remotely. It really wouldn't take that many people.

[TheBaldyMan]

39. there is an interview with Marc Crispin Miller from 16th Jan '05

on a listener supported station WFMU based in East Orange NJ. The regular Monday night show 'The Speakeasy' has occasional specials called 'Duck Hunting with Dick' highlighting the nefarious deeds of the current administration.

The Professor of Media Studies at NYU discusses his book on electoral fraud in 2004, "Fooled Again" and has his personal blog here: News from Underground

it is available on archive and requires real player and there is also avialiable in mp3 format for two weeks after the show.

real player Speakeasy 16th Jan '05

I can't get the mp3 link to work though :( but you might be able to access it via WFMU's Speakeasy archive and listen online to the show.

[helderheid]

40. hey THANK YOU!!

:yourock:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. It's Stories Like This That Make Me Miss Andy...

God Bless Him. He added so much to threads like these.

[helderheid]

42. I know what you mean. I think about him often. A true patriot. Kick for

ANDY! We miss you!!

[juajen]

56. And I say, me, too

I am depressed. DU is not the same without Andy, Scott and Jeff. When will this lonely feeling go away?

[eridani]

58. Yes, I was looking for a Will Pitt article the other day--

--and I realized that the poster that I ALWAYS did author searches on was Andy.

[Jade Fox]

43. "The chance of exit polls in five states being wrong is 1 in a million"

Quote that to your doubting friends.

[helderheid]

44. pretty impressive, ain't it? Many a good link on this site to: exitpollz.o

www.exitpollz.org

[Jade Fox]

45. goof links. I'll have to check'em out....

I love a good goof! ;)

[helderheid]

46. wow you responded FAST! I edited that almost immediately! LOL!

[upi402]

47. kick, recommend

important story that TV news will never cover.

[helderheid]

52. .

[EC]

48. I was just thinking this the other day...

"If electronic voting machines programmed by private Republican firms remain in our future, dissent will become pointless unless it boils over into revolution. Power-mad Republicans need to consider the result when democracy loses its legitimacy and only the rich have anything to lose."


I had told my boss, that if enough people become frustrated and lose everything they own, and have no recourse via votes, there would be a revolution and the rich would be the only ones with something left to lose...

[helderheid]

50. Do they even think that far ahead? What was your boss's reaction?

[EC]

64. He's a Republican

and said I could be right...he still supports **, but I let him know in no uncertain terms that I did not want to hear any defense of the King from him, so he's been very quite lately about **.

[helderheid]

65. are you sure he still supports him? Do a google on this guy and see

what he's written lately.

[EC]

68. No, I'm answering your question on my boss... n/t

[helderheid]

69. Got it now. Goodness, don't know why my brain didn't process it right the

first time!

[helderheid]

51. Just wanted to say I am so grateful for you DU'ers and the almost 40

rec's on this story. Media and election reform (which has taken on a whole new layer with evoting) are it - they ARE the issues. Thanks to all of you taking it seriously.

:grouphug:

[Spiffarino]

55. Almost 40?

Not if I can help it...

:kick:!

PCR is a man of pure principle. He often disagrees with the left, especially on economic policy. Nevertheless, he stands by what he believes and it has cost him dearly. I have only the deepest respect for Dr. Roberts.

[helderheid]

59. make that almost 50, THANKS!!

[autorank]

53. THIS IS IT! THIS IS IT! THIS IS IT! The paleo conservative predicate

Paul Craig Roberts is an intellectually honest patriot. He's railed against Bush from day one. This has not served his personal cause very well, given his base, but he's persisted. He's called Bush a Jacobin, criminal, every name in the book. He could post under my name at DU and nobody would know the difference.

NOW he's doing FRAUD. That means establishing the illegitimacy of Bush.


What does that mean?

That Bob Barr, now Paul Craig Roberts accuse Bush of being a usurper and election thief means one thing.

There's an alliance of left and right to attack Bush head on.

The last straw before Bush can be toppled is to point out his illegitimacy.

The Gore speech hit MSM today in DC. David Broder, "Dean" of the Wash Press Corps endorsed the speech in an important way...on the points about torture and NSA. He dismissed some parts of it. But he's saying Gore has a point, "it's a new Gore," etc.

THIS IS HUGE

[understandinglife]

79. # 48: Dear Gov. Dean -- Bush's Illegitimate Presidency

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=212768&mesg_id=212768

Cheers, my friend!


Peace.

[Wilms]

57. kick

[MellowOne]

66. Sending this link to all my doubting friends n/t

[helderheid]

73. We are the media - thank you!

[Lydia Guerra]

70. Jeff Fisher Called Me Today January 20, 2006

Jeff Fisher Called Today – January 20, 2006

Lydia Guerra is serving only as a messenger:

Jeff Fisher called to request the following information be sent via emails and internet blogs.
Here it is:

After making contact with the Jimmy Carter Foundation and meeting with Executive Director (initials: C. ?) on Friday, January 13, 2006 at Cody’s in San Francisco, Jeff was told they would receive information from him including at least 2 names. As of January 20, he believes the Foundation has engaged delay tactics and will not inform the nation. Jeff wonders if they are trying to bury the information.

Jeff has also contacted Rep. Conyers’ office in an effort to release to him 4 names. Lead counsel, (initials: C.P.), hangs up on Jeff each time.

Jeff talked with Rep. Maxine Waters today (January 20, afternoon EST) for a short time but the call was cut short and he will attempt to make the contact again.

He also called Rep. Kucinich on January 20.

Jeff reports that he is very serious about who he is contacting regarding the information he has and with names. These are the people he has contacted or is contacting:
Rep. Patrick Kennedy – numerous calls
Rep. Kendrick Meeks – numerous calls
Rep. Robert Wexler

[helderheid]

71. thank you for this! I personally handed Rep. Kucinich a HUGE pile

of information I'd gathered online about the problems.

Very interesting!

[gunsaximbo]

74. I know it, you know it , most dems know it

but the people who don't know it don't care, and even if they did care they wouldn't read it or believe it even if they did read it. sabe cimosabe?

[helderheid]

75. welcome to DU - most people care about * disregarding separation of powers

- that needs to be the issue to focus on - the rest, including this, will come out afterwards.

[Voltaire99]

76. Regularly and prominently featured on Counterpunch.com...

...Alexander Cockburn's web site (and the best daily political read around).

That's where I first encountered Mr. Roberts, and what a lucky thing. He's a conservative, yes, but he's filled with a zeal against Bushism.

I daresay Paul Craig Roberts is more passionately and cogently against Bushism than Hillary, Kerry, Reid and especially other DLC Dems who've done so much to appease Bush.

[helderheid]

77. when did he turn against *?

[orleans]

78. seen this yet? summer 2003--rep. peter king (ny)

"it's already over. the election's over. we won."

"it's all over but the counting and we'll take care of the counting"

see the brief video

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/peterking.mov

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Peter_King

also refered to in mark crispin miller's book, fooled again, page 51