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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:05 PM
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My theory on Joe Lieberman....
The Republicans want to paint the Connecticut primary as being the pacifist wing of the party, or the ANSWER wing, kicking Lieberman. I think that's a small part of the story. There is a range of opinion on the war within the party, and excluding one issue, Lieberman's is not that far from Kennedy's or Clinton's.

That one issue is: George W. Bush.

Lieberman clearly thought this was the right time to stand by a president who has lied, who has pissed on the Constitution, and who has conducted an incompetent foreign policy. That will not stand with the voters in Connecticut.

It wasn't the war. It was the kiss.

:hippie:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:09 PM
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1. It was both
Joe knows that bush stole both elections and that he lied us into
Iraq ....... This fall the election will be about bush and his war.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:16 PM
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2. & Joe's support to Keep Terry Schiavo alive on tubes nt
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:18 PM
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3. This should be renamed a "Lieberman":


I think the issue of his candidacy has come to reflect the way the winds of opinion are blowing on the Iraq War. It is too bad he chose to support the Bush policy. JL is a wonderful man and fine senator, but his recent alligences don't reflect that of his constituency. I hope he can make peace with that.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:22 PM
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4. I think a lot of voters feel the way I do.
For me it wasn't the war or all the other things Lieberman has voted with the repubs on (and there really have been several in recent years) and it wasn't even so much his backing of bush's* war crimes. For me it came down to way he seemed so eager to insult and degrade any Democrat who didn't support bush* as much as he does. When I saw him attacking other Dems so viciously during the 2004 primaries I thought back to his debate with cheney in 2000. Lieberman treated cheney with kid gloves, refusing to bring up issues that could have made a difference to the viewers at home, yet for the other Dems in 2004 he went straight for the jugular, slinging lies, casting aspersions, and even delivering thinly veiled threats. The very last straw came when he told us all that unless we supported bush* we would be hurting the US. Holy Joe's been taunting us for years now to do just what we're doing. He's worse than the repubs because he shames us from the inside.

I'm usually an issues voter but this time I'm just angry. How many times can a man be insulted before he rises up to meet the provocation?
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:25 PM
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6. Good point.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 06:41 AM
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8. I'm with you. I think my disgust began when Lieberman was the first
to jump on his feet and run to the floor of the Senate to denounce Bill Clinton for a sexual indiscretion. I can understand personal disappointment in the situation, but he could have gone behind the scenes and still have supported his party by not beating the republicans to attack Clinton and the democrats by association.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:22 PM
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5. It's that he says he won't even support the winner of the primary
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DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:02 AM
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7. It was the bankruptcy bill, and other bills that hurt the little guy;
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 12:04 AM by DianeG5385
To give the credit card companies carte blanche to run over the hardworking folk crossed the line. People are also concerned about the following:

1 If they have a pension, can they keep it until they retire or will the company find a way to screw them out of this obligation?(Note, the PENSION is a substitute for higher wages worker should otherwise have gotten to invest.) This should not be a net net proposition, that is you get less wages AND they renege on the pension.! The peeps are beginning to get this.

2. The jobs suck. Any job worth working at especially between the coasts has been outsourced to India. Hey, don't blame India because they work cheaper, blame the corporate culture and the stock market mentality that impels corporations to strive for the maintenance of unreasonable profit estimates to maintain their stock price. A quick way to mitigate this problem is to eliminate stock based compensation. Corprate profits should not be determined by WallsStreet expectations, but normal economic circumstances.

3. Health Care. It sucks. It really sucks under republican control. The dems could do no worse.

4. Social Security. Boehner signed the GOP death knell by insisting SS reform is still on the table this year...bad move, We the Ppeople beg to disagree.

Lieberman was right behind the President on these initiatives. THAT"S why in addition to IRAQ he's going to lose. We the People have had enough.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:03 AM
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9. Nominated.
I agree.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:06 AM
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10. It would be for me
I'm not in CT and it's up to them, but if it were me, yes, it would be Bush more than Lieberman's belief in the war. Of course, his belief in the war has more than bordered on delusional, just like the administration, as time has gone on and that would be a factor, too.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:19 AM
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11. I agree...
Lieberman is not going down because of the war. He is going down because of his support for George W Bush period. His judgement.
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