O'Bully finds rape/murder victim at fault

[Rose Siding]

From the August 2 edition of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they're moronic girls and, you know, they don't have a car. So they're standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they're drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.

Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She's walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she's out of her mind, drunk.

And the thug takes her over to New Jersey in the cab and kills her and rapes her and does all these terrible things to her. And the thug is so stupid, he uses her cell phone, and the cops trace it back to him and they -- and they arrest him and charge him with murder. He had a prostitute girlfriend with him, and she's charged as an accessory to murder. But Jennifer Moore is in the ground. She's dead.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200608040004

She took a cab? Hussy! Characteristically, Bull-O is beating up on someone who is unable to speak for herself. Are all people who drink morons, Bull, or just the short ones? Just the dead ones, maybe? But her summer clothes explain it all, don't they? -"Now, again, there you go".

How is it that society hasn't shamed this windbag into seclusion?

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. And if she had had a loofah

Bill would have given her a ride himself.

[Mr_Spock]

2. There's nothing to say here

The story is self-explanatory.

How Bill O' can get away with this when any moderate to liberal host would be raked over the coals for similar is beyond me.

[ChristianLibrul]

3. The girl was repeatedly stupid

But she didn't deserve to die. O'Really? makes a living by telling his listeners how superior they are to everyone else. Scumbag.

[Berry Cool]

5. Somebody needs to send that story to Olbermann

just in case he hasn't already gotten it.

Then again, for all I know, he has people who routinely listen to O'Loofah's radio show so he doesn't have to.

[Rose Siding]

7. How was she stupid?

For going out at night? For drinking or being alone? For taking a cab or dressing for the weather?

Would a man who did those things be "stupid"?

[okieinpain]

21. yes, it's a jungle out there, and the animals are hunting meat.

[raccoon]

38. They must be pathetically insecure, and have a self-esteem

the size of a gnat.

[Aviation Pro]

4. Personally....

...I wish this sockcucker would come out of his bubble cocoon for just five, little minutes. Just five is all I'm asking so he could be reduced to the little girl that he is.

Speaking of little girls, do we have Scarlett O'Hara for a SecDef or what? Oh...my....goodness? If it had been me on the dais, I would have roared, speak up like you have a pair Don or are you permenantly de-balled?

[niyad]

15. just as a matter of curiousity, why do you think it the ultimate insult to

call that waste of human skin and oxygen a little girl? and to refer to rummy as scarlet o'hara? what goes on in your brain that calling people girls or women is an insult?

[Aviation Pro]

16. Because I listen to Randi Rhodes.....

...who had the same take on that oxygen thief. It's an allegory, calm down.

[niyad]

17. actually, no I won't calm down-- you are telling me that randi rhodes

said these things? it isn't allegory, it's chauvinistic garbage, insulting to women, regardless of who spouted it.

[Aviation Pro]

18. Yep, I'm telling you she said these things....

...don't believe me? Go here and here and listen for yourself: http://server2.whiterosesociety.org/content/rhodes/RhodesShow-(3-8-2006).mp3

http://server2.whiterosesociety.org/content/rhodes/RhodesShow-(4-8-2006).mp3

[niyad]

20. thanks for the link. as I said, it's appalling, regardless of WHO said it

and I am very surprised that she did. I wasn't implying that you had made it up, I am surprised at her.

[sendero]

6. If stupidity were a valid death sentence...

.... O'Really would have been eaten by worms long ago.

[izzie]

8. Well they were not to blame but they sure used poor judgment

In our whole history weaker people have been pray to stronger people. You would think you would act so as to keep your self safer. I guess their are some females that think equal rights means that they are as strong as some some one who will hurt them.. Wrong. You just want to shake these girls for putting them self in to such a place to get killed and hurt. I hope they find the people who did this and put them in jail for life. We used to run all over Boston when I was in college in groups of 4 girls. It was standard for us.

[Berry Cool]

10. People don't deserve rape and death for exercising poor judgment.

The burden of guilt for a crime remains with the perpetrator, not the victim...no matter how much the victim made himself or herself vulnerable to the crime.

A guy doesn't deserve to have his wallet stolen just because he stuck it in his back pocket where it was easy to pick. People don't deserve to be burglarized just because they left their house unlocked. And women don't deserve to be raped and killed just because they were drunk and wearing minimal clothing and were alone in the wee hours of the morning.

If a child was wandering the streets alone in the wee hours of the morning, we wouldn't say that child is fair game. We'd be furious with the parents, sure, but it doesn't mean the child deserves to be hurt.

Yes, personal responsibility for one's safety is a necessity in this world...but only because there are people in it who do wrong. Neglect for one's personal safety doesn't make the wrongdoing okay.

[okieinpain]

22. agree, but the girl should be criticized for her stupidity.

[izzie]

23. Right on and she is not to blame but really a silly move.

It is almost as if when we are teens or near that age that we see life as never hurting us. I think it goes back to not letting children learn some self judgment when they are younger. My God but I see mothers watching kids that have to be 11 or 12 get on school buses at the end of their drives. At 8 and 10 my mother and father were putting me and my sister on a train alone to go to Boston to met my Grandfather. Their were just as many nuts around but they knew we had to live in this world so had to do some thinking for our self.

[okieinpain]

28. exactly. well said.

[izzie]

34. Thanks as I usually really get it from this site if I say things

like this. I really like what women have done and how far they have come. I was in the middle of it all and some was not so nice but no one can say that women will end up safe in all places even if laws become equal all around. Some thing are more equal than others. It is just a fact of life. Women and many times men have never been safe on all streets ever.

[The Straight Story]

26. Reminds me of people saying we create suicide bombers/terrorists

ie - by our actions we cause others to do us harm.

Such a sham.

[SensibleAmerican]

30. I'll be sure to get that message to the dirtbag that killed her

Bill O'Reilly didn't rape and kill her. The murderer/rapist raped and killed her.

I don't think this dirtbag (or any other dirtbags for that matter) really care what we say on the Internet about him. Thus, it is best for us to teach others how to be defensive.

[TahitiNut]

9. Billo sure seems to be an expert on the predator perspective.

Just sayin'. :shrug:

[cspanlovr]

12. Takes one to know one.

[YOY]

14. Just what I was thinkin' TN

Exactly what I was thinking.

[treestar]

11. Stuff like this provides comfort to those who think "it won't happen

to me." Granted, you could use it as a horror story - even if not true, these stories are told - a person did this and that happened - to convince young people that their feeling of indestructibility may not be the best thing to act on at all times.

Though what this girl could have done differently it is hard to say. Sometimes chance will just take you up, fortunately the odds are not that high. She could have been one of those rare people who contracted a fatal disease at a young age. She could have been killed on 911. Life involves risk, we can minimize it but not put it to zero.

She could have stayed home, sure. Young girls who stay home every night probably don't get attacked. But then there is a down side to that, too. Maybe in that area, young girls won't want to go out even in their cars, alone. Or not go if they have an old car that might break down. It's a judgment call, at every point.

[Kailassa]

24. No, staying at home doesn't help.

Most rapists and assailants of women are well known to their victims;
friends, husbands or family.
And most attacks take place within the home.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

13. Deserved death because she took a cab?

:wtf:

What the Hell else was she supposed to do? :eyes;

[oldcoot]

31. She was supposed to drive like Mel

What happened to "everybody makes mistakes but we should not dwell on them?" I guess Bill's compassion only extends to drunk drivers like Mel Gibson.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

35. Women aren't allowed mistakes.

Women have to be some sexist conservative's definition of "how to behave" or else. :mad:

[Loge23]

19. O'Lielly's lament

If only he could found her first.

[Kailassa]

25. This sort of talk causes rapes.

Bullies and thugs who hear this will remember it when they next see a vulnerable woman.

"wow, anuver one who deserves it, yeah. This one's Really got it cummin. O'Lielly would prolly say we weren't men if we didn't do her."

Rape is not about sex, it is not about a girl looking pretty. It's a way to hurt and to express hatred, and anyone fanning the flames of misogynistic hatred, especially when they do it on the grounds of a woman being vulnerable, is justifying and encouraging rape.

[SensibleAmerican]

29. So walking drunk on the side of the road is a safe thing?

People need to learn how to act defensively. Everyone knows that rape is wrong. But just saying that is not going to stop rapes.

[Kailassa]

33. Calling a rape victim stupid helps justify the rapist.

No, "we" don't all know rape is wrong.

Many rapists have insisted there was nothing wrong with what they did,
mostly pointing to some fault, real or imagined, on the part of the victim,
as an excuse.

On the other hand, we all know the dangers of "walking drunk on the side of the road."
Even if the woman was drunk, that was no excuse for raping her.

[SensibleAmerican]

36. No one said there was an excuse

Bill O'Reilly said the rapist/murderer was "a thug".

However, mere talk saying rape is bad is not going to stop rape. Teaching people actionable defensive tactics and punishing rapists/murderers more severely/regularly is what is going to stop rape.

Note - do not interpret what I'm saying as that I support the death penalty.

[raccoon]

40. Changing attitudes will help stop rape, more than anything else. nt

[raccoon]

39. Exactly, " 'we' don't all know rape is wrong."

Probably the majority of date rapists don't consider what they did was rape. They are so insensitive, disrespectful, and self-centered that they consider it was consensual sex. Even if she tried to fight him off.

[XanaDUer]

27. Bill, if stupidity should = death,

why are you still alive?

[oldcoot]

32. How does O'Reilly know how she was dressed?

How does he know how much she weighed? I did not realize that newspapers usually printed the weight and clothing choices of victims.

[colditalianpizza]

37. Poor Bill.

It's hard being a narcissist when you look like him.

[Crankie Avalon]

41. Sure goes out of his way to repeat (savor?) EVERY detail...

..."5'2""..."105 pounds"..."miniskirt"..."halter top."

Sounds like this guy is a true sicko using this awful event to titillate himself. I mean, why is her height and weight so important to him?