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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:08 AM
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KILLING MY SISTER - TESTIMONY AT THE TEXAS STATE HOUSE
The Public Health Committee of the Texas State House will hold an
interim
hearing on the Texas Futile Care Law on Wednesday, August 9th at
10:00am.
The hearing will be in room E2.036 and is expected to last all day. The
subject matter is to determine if the 10 day provision in the Texas
Futile
Care Law is sufficient time for families to find a transfer for their
loved
one. We know from our experience with our sister Andrea that 10 days
is not
enough time and that this whole law is unjust and does not serve Texas
families well. Please attend the hearing to show that you support
significant reforms to the law. When you enter the hearing room, fill
out
the witness form (even though you will not testify) by marking the box
"on"
(rather than the "for" or "against" box) and write in "Change the law
to
treatment pending transfer." We need you to attend the hearing and
help
spare others the ordeal that we and Andrea endured."
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:10 AM
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1. Kick and Nom Sorry I did not know about your sister.
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 11:16 AM by wakeme2008
:cry:
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:13 AM
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2. Andrea died.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:15 AM
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3. IIRC,the poster's sister has passed
:(
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:17 AM
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4. My sister passed away
about ten days after we saved her from the Texas Futile Care Law. The law lives on. So far, this year, there have been about nine cases in Texas of families fighting the hospitals to keep them from killing their family members. And these are only the ones that we hear about.

My other sister, Lanore, will be testifying at this meeting, telling what this law did to our family. What we went through. Please attend, if you can.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:20 AM
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5. I have updated my post sorry to hear about your sister
:cry:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 01:21 PM
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13. Bless you & your family for your loss & dedication to carry on the fight.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:21 AM
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6. I would love for you to challange this law in federal courts
Of course, that's easy for me to say. I wish you peace, comfort, and victory in your fight to end the barrbaric practice that Andrea--and your family-- endured. :hug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:27 AM
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7. This is a terrible law
They say the Oregon Assisted Suicide law would be a slippery slope to people being killed due to lack of money. Yet, that's EXACTLY what this Futile Care law in Texas does so tell me again about the "culture of death" liberals.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 05:20 AM
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16. I think I agree.
Euthenasia support is a slippery slope to this Texas law.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:48 AM
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24. Then why doesn't this happen in Oregon?
Because we respect the right of the individual to direct their own life, that's why. We've actually put it into law that ONLY the individual can make end of life decisions so it's going to serve to prevent these kind of laws in the end.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 04:58 PM
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26. Ohh, I see your point now. Yes, I do agree with you. The Texas law
is where the slippery slope is supposed to lead, but there doesn't have to be a slippery slope at all if the law made sure that only the individual is allowed to make the choice and noone else.

This law was signed into effect by Gov. Goodhair after the Republicans took over in Texas, I think.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:30 AM
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8. So sorry to hear that
your sister passed. I remember the struggle you had in the beginning and last I heard she was improving and they were giving her the meds. I would certainly come if I lived anywhere near. I hope this hearing helps you and your family and the many others it has and will effect.

Peace
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:40 AM
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9. I can't be at the meeting but
my heart will be with you! I'll pass this along to my TX friends.
Glad to see you back here posting again! ;)
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:38 PM
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10. Please kick and recommend this
This needs to get out to as many people as possible. People need to be at that hearing. Texas hospitals have gone crazy. Can you imagine putting your family member in the hospital and then having to fight the people who are supposed to keep them alive to keep them from killing your family member? This is just crazy!

Hospitals in Houston now have collateral agreements to not accept any patient that has been deemed "futile" by any other Houston hospital. This is a death sentence for these patients.

Insurance companies are keeping their costs down by putting pressure on hospitals to cut costs on the insured patients. This is all done behind the insured's back, without their knowledge. How DARE they? You think you're insured? Think again. Your insurance company is negotiating with your health care provider to cut their losses if you're extremely ill. You're worth more to them dead and the hospital will carry out the death sentence.

HOW DARE THEY?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:46 PM
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12. I already did earlier, Th1onein !
Error: You've already recommended that thread. ;)

But it definitely deserves another!! :kick:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:40 PM
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11. Kicking
:kick:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:57 PM
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14. I wrote this aboutTh1onein's sister!

And it sank like a stone too..About Futility of life laws..

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/undergroundpanther/11
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 04:53 PM
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15. K&R
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 08:05 AM
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17. Republican values: Insurance Co can euthanize; family can't
Sometimes the hypocrisy become just stupefying. So the basic republican position is that the insurance company and hospital can terminate care in order to save money. But if a family member, like Terry Schiavo's husband wants to terminate care, they will intervene to prevent it.

It really is part of a larger project to put decision making power over every aspect of our lives in the hands of corporations and bureaucracies, while they take away our personal autonomy.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 08:16 AM
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18. It makes you wonder what that larger project is?
When I hear comments that people want to look at the president as a father figure, I get uneasy. I want to look at our leader as someone who is following the constitution with thoughtfulness and not treating the voting population like children who should not be allowed to make decision about the care of loved ones. I think the Hippa law is a piece of crafted work that really disenfranchises loved ones.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 08:19 AM
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19. Th1onein I'm with you in spirit.
Is treatment pending transfer going to stop patient treatment, until they are transfered, or will treatment continue until transfer has occurred?
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 09:48 AM
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20. This is how it works;
Your family member gets sick. They are badly sick, but they are also insured very well. So, they go into a hospital, usually a hospital near where they live--in this case, St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital in Houston, Texas. But, while they're in the hospital in Houston, they get sicker. Their insurance company, which has negotiated with the hospital, earlier in the year, to pay so much for patients in intensive care per day, begins squawking to the hospital. "Hey," they say, "We negotiated with you to pay $10,000 a day for patients in intensive care, but this one has been in WAY too long. We're going to cut you down to $7500 per day for these kinds of patients next negotiation if you don't do something about this patient that is costing us so much money." Either that, or the insurance company really plays hardball and says, "Hey, we're only going to pay you Medicaid rates on this patient, because she's been in ICU too long."

So, the hospital calls a meeting of the family and medical personnel. The family is usually intimidated by the white coats, all in one room, all in unison, saying, "Your family member is in pain, going to die, continuing treatment will only prolong their suffering." Usually, that's all it takes and the family says, "Okay, discontinue treatment." God forbid they have the audacity to continue to hope for their family member and decide to keep them alive, thereby using up even more precious insurance company money.

But, if they do, there's a contingency plan--the hospital calls an "ethics committee meeting." All the medical guys and gals get together and make a decision on whether or not to end care for the patient. This is SUPPOSED to be a time where the family can defend their family member and say that they have quality of life and why it's important to let them live. (Can you imagine? You're begging for your family member's life when these are the very people you entrusted that life to, in the first place!) Usually, though, it's doctors, "ethicists" (the latter of which have often never even MET your family member), social workers, nurses, palliative care people, etc., ALL on the hospital's staff, lined up against the family, rooting for withdrawal of treatment.

Oh wait! I forgot something: Right between the first meeting and the actual ethics committee meeting, there's another meeting. This one is called if the family doesn't agree to the withdrawal of treatment, ostensibly because they want to talk about pain medication for your family member. This is routine in cases where the patient is conscious and likely to speak out when the plug is pulled. You don't want a conscious patient, after all, fighting to stay alive, right? During this meeting the white coats decide that the patient is in "intractable" pain and they must medicate him/her into a comatose state. Seriously, no joke. If the family disagrees with the "medicate into oblivion" plan, they are overruled, but not before they are treated to a disgusting show of adversarial cross-examination by the head of the committee: "Did your sister TELL you she wanted to be in horrible pain?" If you can't answer "yes" to that strange question, then your family member will be duly medicated into oblivion.

So, the "ethics committee" meets. They hand down their decision to withdraw treatment. Now, you've got ten days to move your loved one, your very sick loved one, who shouldn't be moved, to another hospital which can give her all of the specialized care that the hospital that she is already IN can give her, but which refuse to, after ten days. If you don't move your loved one, the hospital can and will pull the proverbial plug, whether you like it or not. And you have no recourse, neither criminal nor civil, against them if they do.

Okay, now you've got to move your loved one. Well, of course, since the hospitals in the area are closer and your family can continue to visit their loved one if they stay in a hospital in the area, you try those first. But there's a problem: those hospitals, all of them, have agreements with each other--if one of them decides that a patient is "futile" then none of them will take that patient. So...if you move your loved one, you're going to move them far away, so it's very, very difficult to be able to visit with them. So, now you've not only got a very sick brother/sister/mother/child, you've got a situation where if they die, you will likely not be at their bedside to say goodbye to them. And that's if they survive the ride. Which, by the way, YOU will pay for out of your own pocket, and which costs tens of thousands of dollars because the insurance company doesn't have to pay for the transport of the patient in these cases. And the clock is ticking. Ten days, nine days, eight days, seven, six....

Now, according to the law, the hospital social worker, employed by the hospital--you know, the one who was fighting alongside the doctors during the ethics committee meeting to have treatment discontinued--is supposed to help you locate another facility both willing and able to take your loved one. Not only can you NOT talk to these facilities YOURSELF, but you are entirely dependent on this social worker to set this transfer up. In this, you must be very, very careful. Don't piss that social worker off; don't make her upset, or she will do like she did in our case and lie to you, give you misleading information ("if you find a facility, the doctor to treat your loved one comes with the facility and has to take on her care"), and if you dare to call her on it, she will refuse to speak with the family completely!

In the end, the best case scenario is that your loved one is moved out of state, where if they die, you cannot say goodbye to them, and if they linger, you bankrupt yourself visiting them. And this is the BEST case scenario; this is if your loved one is insured, has made their premiums for years and even decades, just so they could be covered in just such a case.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:32 AM
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22. I am so very sorry about your sister
It is very emotional and sad time to lose your sister.

Similar situation happened a couple years ago in Ohio to husband's sister. She got very sick, went into the hospital. All the tests were run, and it appeared from what they told us that all her systems were shutting down. There was nothing they could do, treatment was discontinued, and 2 days after that, she passed away.

Some background - she was quite heavy and a lifelong smoker, had high blood pressure, and other medical problems. So none of us questioned the doctors that there was really nothing else that could be done because she had abused her body and health her entire life. We never dreamed the hospital and insurance company could be conspiring against us because they didn't want to keep her in intensive care. So very tragic.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:08 AM
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21. K & R
I am extremely sorry for your loss. Your work to make it right in the courts will hopefully many others. Blessings on you and your family for pursuing this in your time of grief.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:39 AM
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23. I know you went through a horrible ordeal with your sister
K&R
Glad to hear you are fighting this law to hopefully spare others.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:06 AM
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25. K&R
Wish I could be there for you. Did you post this in the Texas forum as well.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 05:34 PM
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27. "Corporations "
It's about the $$$.
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