My smackdown to a reply to my previous Climate Change LTTE.

[johnaries]

My community is blessed with a small paper that basically prints every LTTE it receives. I had previously written a LTTE on Global Warming recommending Al Gore's movie and Tom Brokaw's special and also saying that the debate is over - the only critics are paid spokesmen for the Oil Industry. Someone sent a letter saying he agreed that we should conserve and lower pollution, but in reply to my "paid spokesman" comment with a list of scientists and also Sen Inhofe. My reply:

Since we agree on the actions that all of us should take on alternative energy and pollution, I suppose I should stop here. However, you seem to love debate, and you gave me so many rich sources to prove my point that Climate Change is only disputed by paid spokesmen for the Oil Industry. Also, I'm hoping that as more realize that the Climate Crisis is real that they will be more motivated to take action.

Thank you for mentioning Sen. Inhofe first. Most of us already realize that many Congressmen are little more than "paid spokesmen" for the Oil and other Corporate Lobbies, and one of the most important actions we can take is to remove these people from office and replace them with legislators who will represent the People, and not big corporation Lobbies.

As for the rest of your list, most of the information I supply below comes from Sourcewatch.org and Exxonsecrets.org:

S. Fred Singer acknowledged during a 1994 appearance on the television program Nightline that he had received funding from Exxon, Shell, Unocal and ARCO. Singer's

National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) In 2002 ExxonMobil donated $30,000 for "educational activities" and a further $15,000 for general support. In 2003 the company boosted its general operating support to $25,000 with another $30,000 for 'global climate change/EnviroTruth website

Frank Wentz and Matthias Schabel claimed that global warming was real, The Nature journal article that you refer to claimed that satellite data showing a cooling trend was faulty. The article was published in 1998 and there has been a great deal of data released since then that support a temperature increase.

William H. Gray is on the board of directors of ACCF. ACCF has a conservative perspective of economic policy and favors policies that favor big business. The ACCF also includes many members of the American Petroleum Institute.

Willie Soon - his climate studies were partially funded by the American Petroleum Institute. He and Sallie Baliunas who you also mentioned are both employed by the George C. Marshall Institute. The George C. Marshall Institute has received $630,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.

Speaking of the GMI, the last name on your list was Frederick Seitz who happens to be Chairman Emeritus of the Marshall Institute. Mr. Seitz also applied to work for the RJ Reynolds Tobacco company in 1978 and oversaw $45 million from them to fund research to disprove the harmful effects of smoking, So, according to him both the harmful effects of smoking and Global Warming are "junk science".

So, again I thank you for supplying a list of some of the "paid spokesmen" I spoke of.

Oh, that was just TOO easy and TOO much fun! :rofl:

[autorank]

1. Smack down is an understatement. This was "the last ride." K&$

Marvelous work. We need to start the public debate on this life-or-death issue with the most aggressive stance possible.

Climate change is a real phenomena, it's dangerous, it's inevitable, it's man made.

Idiots who claim the contrary in the past, lets say 40 years, are complicit in the unnecessary
death, certain to dome, of tens of millions of people. In fact they may be complicit in the
end of the human species...then give them the facts.

I have no patience for ignorance when it's going to kill me.

You have the perfect stance...full tilt, mockery, confidence...idiots will feel no delight.

[johnaries]

2. Thanks! Coming from you I consider that high praise, indeed!

I a huge fan of your work and contributions.

Mark my words, Tennessee WILL be Blue this November!

[autorank]

3. Thank you.. With people like you kicking ass, I believe it...

Just in timre for FlyByNight...welcome home I hope.

:partiot:

[converted_democrat]

4. K&R!! Good work!! Thank you for taking the time to do this.. n/t

[johnaries]

5. Actually, it was a lot easier and quicker to research than I expected.

Almost everything I needed was on Sourcewatch and Exxonsecrets. I was amazed at the amount of material out there on the George C. Marshall Institute. They seem to be very close to the center of the misinformation campaign.

Then I found out that Seitz was the head scientist on the Tobacco misinformation campaign in the '70's! I also found that Seitz and Singer may be connected, although Singer denies that he ever took money from Tobacco.

When Al Gore compared the current campaign to the Tobacco campaign, I had no idea he meant it LITERALLY! That even the same people were involved!

[glitch]

6. Well done, your sigline is right on it too. K &R nt

[niallmac]

7. Well done! Your community should be up to speed now.n/t

edit to say K and R