What punishment WOULD be fitting for BushCo?

[grace0418]

The death penalty thread got me thinking. What punishment do you see as being good enough for BushCo. Who do you see being punished?

Here was what I said in the other thread:

"IMHO, BushCO is a special case because they've fucked the entire planet. However, rather than the death penalty or LWOP, I believe their punishment should be hard labor. They should have to rebuild NOLA. The right way. Their work should be inspected weekly and, if it's not perfect, they should have to redo it. When they're done with that, they should have to build schools, hospitals and houses in neighborhoods that have been ruined by their economic policies. With new homes, hospitals and schools built for free (because naturally all of BushCo's ill-gotten wealth will go towards the building materials and equipment), any tax money can go towards paying teachers, health care professionals, etc. After that, they should have to clean up the national parks, waterways, forests, wetlands, etc. that their environmental policies have destroyed.

If all that hasn't worked them to death, they should start in on building solar and wind energy collecting devices. They should be forced to assist the scientists working on viable alternatives to fossil fuels so that we can be driving vehicles that don't destroy the planet in two years instead of 20.

Seriously, there are enough criminals in BushCO to create a small army of laborers to accomplish this. Let's force them to clean up their own mess."

[longship]

1. Life sentence of hard labor.

Something none of them have ever experienced.

[noahmijo]

2. Outright stripping of their ill gotten wealth

be forced to find a job where they have to work for a living-in the very world they've created.

[henslee]

3. Drop them off on a melting ice flow inhabited by polar bears.

[mrcheerful]

4. Take away their ill gotten gains and make them live off minimum wage

[MADem]

5. Let him do intake at Dover mortuary

He can unload the bag from the transfer tube, unzip it, and do initial preps on the remains.

Then, let's send him to some of our cities' worst schools to do asbestos removal and repairs.

NOLA would surely keep him busy for awhile, he can use the mortuary skills he gained at Dover there, and his school repair experience in assisting with construction.

Of course, someone will have to teach him how to hold a hammer first....

[Greyhound]

6. Similar to others, Seize all the BFEE's assets everywhere and make

live on what they've left for Social Security.

[EST]

7. I would like them to have to observe the total dismantling

of their entire evil empire and all it's permutations, from a jail cell.

[SledDriver]

8. Outfit each and every one of them with standard GI equipment...

and drop them off in Iraq. Little or no body armour, unarmoured Humvees, nothing special, nothing less. Exactly what our troops get. Drop them off in the middle of Fallujah or Baghdad. It's their mess, let them deal with it.

[ArbustoBuster]

10. Hear, hear!

That's poetic justice.

[dusmcj]

9. exposure of their fronting for a corrupt socioeconomic order

If this administration hasn't made it clear that the "New World Order" is just the same Old World Ordure, i.e. that the pyramidal hierarchy of social networks, conditioning and coercion serves to perpetuate an economic environment in which wealth functions as an attractor which accretes more wealth (i.e. the rich are black holes sucking in value and the means of producing it, which include both natural and human resources), leading to continual imbalance in which no one's "right" to pursue self-interest, enlightened or not, may be questioned, then we might as well pack it in, why ask why, have another Bud Dry, and sit back in our recliners and let our fat grow (fueled by economies of scale) as we wait for the end-times.

Translation: these people are frontmen and -women for a social and cultural framework which serves those at its peak who hold material power. Wealth flows upwards to them, the masses are enrolled creating that wealth, which flows upwards rather than remaining in their hands, and what flows downwards is deception which keeps the masses deluded or coerced into continuing to play along. We don't have time to prevent environmental damage but instead must sustain a circular economy based on consumer spending to acquire cheap goods made profitable by economies of scale (i.e., you have to make and sell a lot of cheap shit to make money) and produced by mass waste of resources and despoiling of ecosystems (now on a planetary scale given the nonexistent phenomenon of global warming) and this system is producing too much short-term wealth to let the "leaders" of business and society take a moment's breather to do long-term planning in the areas of industrial policy, research and development, social safeguards such as health care and education, or projects of national importance such as environmental safeguarding, space infrastructure, sustainable living patterns (i.e. housing and (de)urbanization) and functional transportation/commerce infrastructure.

The current administration is abetting the headlong rush by our greedy blind society towards immolation of various forms, by placing the force of government behind impulses to maintain the socioeconomic status quo of pursuit of UnEnlightened self-interest originating from those who benefit most from it. To the extent that we are now starting wars against other nations, not just to sustain the flow of energy resources which the current defective economic structure requires in order not to fail, but to sustain the profit structures of that economy. Along with functional priorities of the peoples of the earth and their interests, along with the interests of the earth itself as our living space, being thrown out the window, because no one may dare question another's right to acquire gain, legitimate and well-advised or not, the basic rights declared inherent in all humans, and by extension all living things, by the basic structural plans of this nation, aren't worth a match in a windstorm, i.e. the current administration demonstrates that it considers them meaningless when opposed to their god, power.

This is not new, or a new world order, it is the same old world odor which has caused corruption, and revolution, throughout human history, as those who benefit from the advances made by pioneers turn cash cows to hamburger until all that remains is the tail (and they're not creative enough to make soup from that) and then, as the flames start to consume the city, demand with increasingly anguished cries that those less privileged than they are continue to offer up their freedom and their lives in order to perpetuate the comfort of the privileged. This is the same pattern as the corrupt and defective social hierarchies of Europe of the previous two centuries, so called "liberal" (deriving from the economic meaning) which in fact perpetuated socioeconomic imbalance and sociocultural corruption, and gave rise to Soviet revolution and subsequent oppression, and fascist genocide.

Just play by the rules and give due obeisance to those who can do you harm, and someday you, or more likely your descendants, may be as important and powerful as they are. We are all animals after all.

Fuck them, fuck that shit, fuck that system. Burn the motherfucker down.

[Skidmore]

11. Send them to scout out Mars or one of the moons of Pluto

so that we colonize it since they screwed the planet up. Oh, they won't need an expensive job retraining program either. We trust that they are well-educated and savvy enough to step right in and do the job.

[yurbud]

12. Habitat for Humanity in Fallujah

Don't let Iraqis kill them, but just throw bodily fluids and shit.


"Rebuild my house faster, retarded frat boy infidel! Stop pretending your pacemaker is acting up Cheney, and dig that septic tank hole!"

[REDKING]

13. Waterboard the bastards.

[npincus]

14. the Ninth Circle of Hell

though any circle would do.

[dysfunctional press]

30. what would their hell be?

on the sopranos, when christopher "dies" in the OR, he says that he went to hell- and for the italian wiseguys- hell was an irish bar where it's always St. Patrick's Day.

I'm thinking that dumbya might be eternalizing at a turn-of-the-(last)century women's temperence society meeting.

[grace0418]

32. Yeah, to hear them talk you'd think hell for them would be somewhere

with a lot of porn, drugs and kinky sex (especially homosexual activity) but we all know they would love that. I like your idea of an eternal women's temperence meeting. Maybe they'd have to attend the meeting naked so everyone could point at their tiny dicks and laugh.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. Here's what I would do

Lock them in the Hague and the only tv they can watch will be CSPAN so they can see the next democratic president being successful and doing away with all their evil plans. They also will have to watch the next democratic convention. And maybe if they're good they can watch the republican one. And as others have said take away all the money they ever made since Bush was governor of Texas and he had been stealing from the people who elected him.

[warrens]

16. Working 16-hour shifts in a coal mine, no safety regs, no OSHA

No disability, no workman's comp, no overtime, no medical coverage, no medical leave, no nothing. Just 16 hours in the dark digging coal. That's roughly what they are trying to do to us. And live mikes so we can hear every word they say, all day, every day.

[grace0418]

17. I like the live mic idea! Like the Truman Show. We can monitor their

every word the utter while they rebuild what they've destroyed.

[MurrayDelph]

18. Life imprisonment in a small cell

minimal contact with the outside world, limited exercise periods, no videogames,
no television, no radio. In fact, no "entertainment" other than books!

And those cannot have pictures!

...and total asset seizure.

[grace0418]

19. After a day of hard labor, make them sleep in the Super Dome with

no electricty, no A/C, no working plumbing and just a few candy bars to eat.

[schmuls]

20. Let him panic as flood waters rise and he watches his loved ones

drown. Let him see his grandparents struggle to choose between food and prescription drugs. Have him try sleeping at night, knowing he might not survive a missile attack. Make him experience having his every thought monitored, his every movement watched. Perhaps watching him suffer because he just lost his job to outsourcing would be a good idea. How about watching him struggle with bills every month because every utility company and bank is screwing him right and left? Let him walk in the shoes of another who is dying because global warming is drying up all his or her water and food supplies. To top it off, let him die suffering because he took some drug the thugs at the drug company promoted because they lied to him and told him it was safe.

[grace0418]

22. That last one happened to my dad. He was healthy as a horse until

a doctor in Florida prescribed a cholesterol medicine for him. When my dad complained that his neck suddenly started hurting and feeling weak, the doctor told him he had a vitamin defficiency. When my dad, visiting family in Seattle, suddenly collapsed due to respiratory failure, the doctors were convinced he had ALS. Even though his symptoms and the progression of the neuromuscular degeneration did not match ALS, they were firm. Never once did they bother to research the medications he was on and see if they were causing these "side" effects. A few hours of research by my siblings and I turned up reports of *very* similar symptoms in people taking the same medicine my dad was taking. But the doctors wouldn't listen. By then, the damage had been done anyway. He died a few months after he collapsed.

[schmuls]

27. I'm so sorry to hear this...

[grace0418]

28. Thank you. That's kind of you to say.

It's been hardest on my mom because she's completely incapable and/or unwilling to do anything for herself. This has, in turn, been really hard on me and my siblings because she's like an overgrown, cranky toddler who'll never mature. I think we all assumed that she would go first (she's got a million ailments) and that we'd all get a chance to see what dad was like without her always demanding attention.

Funny how things work out. My dad didn't drink or smoke, he ate his veggies, played tennis and walked a few miles every day, had parents that lived well into their 80s... but was killed at 72 by a medicine that was supposed to help him live longer.

This is why I am very reluctant to take medications today.

[MamaBear]

21. Life on the Lagoon

Since Bush & Co. are such big fans of everything corporate, I think they should be sent to live on the farm.

An industrial farm.

On a raft.

In the middle of the pig poop lagoon.

Downwind from a nuclear power plant.

With drinking water from any abandoned mine in the area.

With GM food to eat.

Exposed to the UV.

With eating utensils made from Depleted Uranium.

For the rest of their lives.

Good thing I'm not in charge, eh?

Edited for typo.

[grace0418]

23. Maybe the former heads of Halliburton, who will of course be incarcerated

with BushCo, can run the mess hall. They can serve a single hot dog per day with no bun, or moldy, past-date meals. Just like they do to the soldiers in Iraq.

[baldguy]

24. Poverty.

in Fallujah.

No, on second thought - Islam requires the faithful to give alms to the poor.

Does Cabrini Greene still exist? In the winter with no heat. On the verge of being thrown out in the street.

[grace0418]

26. Cabrini Green is pretty well gone. And it's far too nice a place for them.

Plus, I don't want those fuckers in my city. Cabrini Green was pretty gross but it was smack dab in the middle of a pretty cool city. They deserve far worse.

[Solly Mack]

25. must repay every single penny for the war

Bush must pay back every single penny spent for the war

He must pay back all monies lost to social programs because of the tax breaks and the war
He must pay for the lack of money to aid Katrina survivors
He and his war profittering buddies must pay to rebuild Iraq and Afghansitan
(and all from their own pockets - dissolve the war profiteering businesses and take all assets)

He must stand before the world and admit he is a war criminal

then they all must spend the rest of their lives in prison

for starters....

[dysfunctional press]

29. If there were really such a place as "Hell"- eternal damnation-wise...

it might be a good start.

but what would the reality of their deepest circle of hell be?

[Cleita]

31. I think after a very public trial where all and I mean all their

crimes are exposed for the world to see, I would like to see them stripped of their fortunes first, then that money and their labor can be used to rebuild everything that they have destroyed.