Did "OBL" just say the T word - TRUCE?

[goclark]

I sure hope like hell that the video clip from what is suppose to be OBL is true,

It mentions the word TRUCE.


snip>In response to the substance of the polls in the U.S., which indicate that Americans do not want to fight Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their land, we do not mind offering a long-term truce based on just conditions that we will stick to.<

My problem is as much as I wish that a TRUCE could be obtained, it sounds like a ROVE twist to me.

The scenario would be that the Bush Crooks "offer a truce" to OBL and a fake reply says accepted.

Then the Bush Crooks pull the troops out just before the 2006 elections.

Am I crazy?:silly:

[Politicub]

1. I think it's rovian, too, but it will play out differently

It will give Bush the chance to swagger and be all cockshure while he says, "We don't negotiate with the enemy."

This is so cheesy. It's like we're all part of an episode of 24.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. "It's like we're all part of an episode of 24." or we've been sucked into

"Wag the Dog" x(

[SharonRB]

7. LOL

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

11. My thoughts as well. Additionally, anyone opposed to the war will be

called a terrorist sympathizer, or accused of aiding the enemy. :eyes:

[goclark]

23. Yep, Roveian Twist nt

[fishwax]

39. that's how I see it playing out too

If OBL is willing to truce, that means bush is doing a good job in the war on terra :puke:

[Politicub]

41. Crashcart was in the news this evening

He was the one to say we don't negotiate with terrorists. This was so predictable. I'll join you in your :puke:

[mzmolly]

2. I think it's going to be more of a "we don't negotiate with terrorists"

meme. And anyone who wants to end the war will be seen as in bed with the terrorists.

[notadmblnd]

12. didn't little snotty actually say that during his pess conference?

I swear he said that early on in his press conference today that they will not negotiate with terrorist. They will end the war when and where they want to.

[mzmolly]

16. LOL. Could be, I didn't watch, can't stomach it personally.

;)

[goclark]

20. Makes Scotty and Wimpbush look MACHO --ha nt

[FreedomAngel82]

35. I'd go with that too

That way they can continue it forever.

[catmother]

3. i totally agree. n/t

[SharonRB]

4. I was thinking the same thing

This way we could withdraw and not lose face. Unfortunately, the WH keeps saying we won't negotiate with a terrorist. Seems to me that if this is really OBL and he is serious, we should grab the offer and get the hell out of there. Wouldn't it be ironic if OBL were the one to accelerate peace in the Mideast?

[xiamiam]

6. necessary component so that scotty could say osama is on the run

osama didnt say anything...this is all crap...i almost wish i couldnt see thru it....then i could just have a normal day...

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. You are not crazy

by the way, they know they are on the ropes... no, not OBL, he was after 9.11... the Administration

[Servotron]

9. It's likely a reverse-psychology ploy

If it appears that Osama is asking for a truce, that allows Dipshit to declare "victory" in Iraq. And since "Osama" included a statement about not wanting to "fight Muslims on Muslim land", that in turn would justify Dumbass's strategery of "fightin them terraists over there so we ain't gotta fight em here".

It's highly unlikely that any real message from Bin Laden would even imply that he was giving up.

[mzmolly]

13. Right. Although Osama did say we are to brace for more attacks.

RED ALERT, RED ALERT!!!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[goclark]

19. Maybe that was to put fear into the Amerikan people

so that we would put pressure on Bush to go for a truce.

It would be a brilliant move for the Bush Crooks to be behind the entire scenario.

[Frank Cannon]

29. Of course the Bush crooks are behind the entire scenario

This entire episode has all the subtlety of a junior-high-school performance of "Grease". It's obvious and insulting.

[LisaM]

10. Well isn't what he wanted all along?

Americans off Muslim lands? Of course, this probably includes military bases.

[Crankie Avalon]

14. I wonder why OBL would even want a truce...

...the way things are now, his cause is only getting stronger and stronger. America is being bled in Iraq the way the Soviets were in Afghanistan.

[jzodda]

15. Of course a Truce is in OBL's best interests

1. He can come out of hiding

2. Rebuild his forces in Asia

3. Increase is presence in africa, indonesia and Iraq-and do it easier with the luxury of being able to establish training camps in Asia free from the worry of us bombing them.

He has already won loads of new recruits with the war in Iraq, now he just needs organization and fund raising to get them ready for war. Take our military out of the equation and hes all set. Set loose his recruits in the places where the govs are already on shaky ground and hes off to the races.

Also hes looked at as a hero to many Muslims, maybe hundreds of millions of them. A truce against the worlds super-power is an extreme victory for him in the eyes of his admirers. He would have stood up to and survived against us, making him even more popular and making his recruitment efforts and money raising even easier.

[goclark]

17. Agree, he can make a so called deal

and he would have no way of enforcing it.

He has trained folks all over the world and there is no way in hell he will ever control all of them.

Every time they blow up someone else, OBL can say, "Oops, sorry, he should have known better than to do that to America!"

By that time, he will have a Cabinet position and an office in the WH, the Repubs will have won in '06 and GW will have said, "Mission Accomplished."

[jaxx]

18. Or OBL could be dead and this tape cooked up in the bowels of the bunkers.

It smacks of fake to me. A nice set up to let bush off the hook and get on with his next war. Just enough to put down the prez, and spook the people.

[Cleita]

21. I think it's more Rovian smoke and mirrors.

You probably are right. I myself am not good at trying to get into their minds. However, Congressman Murtha said the same that the troops would be withdrawn by the 2006 elections because they would lose too many congressional seats otherwise.

[goclark]

22. Can 't they tell us that it was OBL on that tape?

How long has that tape been on the shelf?

Didn't Bush say once that finding OBL was just not that important to him.

Maybe that was because OBL was in the WH Briefing Room, after having din din with Pickles and the girls, and made a series of tapes for them to select from when need be.


For that little twist, OBL was allowed to live out his life with no fear for anything and Bushco can pull out this selection before the 2006 election and before his SOTU.

Am I crazy?

[burythehatchet]

24. Translation

Bush sees himself in trouble and thinks that his business partner, OBL, can help him out on this one.

[sduncang]

25. Right-Wingers Love The Word "TRUCE"...

They're using it a validation that Bush is the awe-inspiring great leader they make him out to be. As in "Mission Accomplished".

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. I think it is all a fake, and that the administration will use this as

an excuse to declare victory ("if OBL is offering a truce, that means we have him beat") and prepare to move on to the next target.

All the talk about Iran has me looking at Syria. I still think that we can't move on Iran without securing Syria, to provide an outlet for Iraqi oil that negates the Straits of Hormuz, which we will mine as part of our blockade and sanctions on Iran.

But there will be no truce because "we do not netgotiate with terrorists".

[Clark2008]

27. Heard Neil Boortz in the car earlier...

(yeah, I know, I shouldn't do that to myself, but the music stations all had crap or commercials) and he said that all us "libruls" would be clammoring to make the government hold up to this "truce."

I laughed to myself and thought, "No, you twit. Us liberals won't buy that OBL made the tape. It's more of Bush's swaggermongering."

Came home, read the threads and, lo and behold, I was correct and Neil Boortz is just another bore(ts).

[0rganism]

28. OBL offers "truce" -> Bushco rejects it immediately

This is simply a rhetorical device that serves the ends of both leaders in motivating their followers.

bush will say, "We do not negotiate with murdering terrorist thugs."

OBL will say, "We offered them peace, and they continue to occupy our lands."

End result? More killing, more weeping mothers, more kids in shallow graves, more young men in flag-draped transfer tubes, more toxic chemicals strewn about the globe, more sickness, more poverty, more death.

[savemefromdumbya]

30. This smells of Turd Blossom

[maveric]

31. CNN expert just said the first they offer a truce. Then they attack.

I dont know how much truth is in that statement but that's what CNN's "terror" expert, Peter Bergen, just said.

[Frank Cannon]

36. Well, then, if they attack, we ARE NO SAFER than before 9/11

Then there's no reason to keep this gang of criminals in the White House. 'Nuff said.

[ikri]

32. If this is Rove, it's a mistake

If this is true then OBL would probably demand a truce based on a few short conditions:

1. A complete pull-out of troops (and perhaps any western interests) from Iraq
2. A complete pull-out of troops, etc. from Afghanistan
3. A complete pull-out of western interests from Saudi Arabia.

* could never accept those terms, largely because #3 has been the stated aim of OBL & AQ since the first Gulf war. Yet the announcement of a truce based on those terms would guarantee that 90% of the people in the US and allies would demand a pull-out. Abandoning three far-away countries won't cause any loss of sleep for most people, assuming that the spiceoil flows.

How would * react if 90% of the US population wanted to pull the troops out and end the "War on Terror"™? What would he do if he couldn't use an eternal war to cover for his ineptitude?

[Igel]

33. Does 'truce' mean the same thing and have the

same connotation and purpose in all cultures and languages at all times?

Not a trivial question. Much discussed, seldom definitively answered.

However, in this context, mostly an academic question.

[EC]

34. I don't believe in ANY of the OBL tapes

I think they are all faked...remember the one just before the election? Rather good timing for ** wouldn't you say? These tapes are made up in the CIA or FBI, their not from OBL.

[Generator]

37. I'll tell you one thing

The real Bin Laden and the real Bush are identical in that they are religious fanatics (okay maybe Bush's religion is power and greed with a dash of saving the people by killing them all) and neither will ever give up, sign a truce or go for anything peaceful. That is not the nature of the beast. This tape is utter b.s. And Bush will respond by swaggering more. They aren't bringing the troops home, people. They don't need that to win elecions. All they need is fear. And a real terrorist attack would be icing on the cake of the fear/wiretaping/torture/more war/patriot act/unitary executive bandwagon.

[goclark]

38. It is a real bunch of BS by Bushco nt

[fishwax]

40. OBL wants a truce? bush must be doing a good job in the war on terra

that's the spin, as I see it. Followed by cocky texas swagger detailing a hard-line approach to terrorists. :eyes:

[leesa]

42. He is dead. This is nonsense to blow BushCo crimes out of the spotlight.

Don't take your eye off the Bush impeachment ball. OBL has been dead for years. He died of kidney disease.

[goclark]

43. My eyes are right on the ball

I promise I will not move my eyes, just how long must I stare/ :)

[Hyernel]

44. Bush says "Freedom" and "Democracy"...Doesn't mean anything.

Words are only tools to deceive to people like Osama and Karl Rove.