Why is it fine for the US to give financial help to Israel, but some how

[heidler1]

evil for Iran and Syria to give help to the Hezballoh and indirectly to Lebanon? There are weapons of war involved on both sides also.

[mtice]

1. the difference

is that Israel is the only free nation in the entire Middle East and Hezbollah is a fascist terror organization bent on genocide. Not that there's anything wrong with that, right?

[mike_c]

5. LOL-- grape or cherry...?

[Howardx]

9. no kidding

what happened to subtlety? maybe slippin in a few more posts before coming out? lost art i guess.

[helderheid]

14. Bwahahahah!

[d_b]

18. HAHA!!

[Vincardog]

6. Excuse me wasn't Lebanon a frail young DEMOCRACY? Was it not

just starting to rebuild itself after 10 years of civil war? Wasn't it the shining example of the good things that happen when democracy takes root?
The last thing necessary was to convince Hezbollah to put down its' arms and join the democrat process. How do you think that is going to happen now?

The NeoConvicts in Israel wanted a "Clean Break" from the peace process and they manufactured it. I take no position on Israel but I despise and oppose the fascist NeoConvicts everywhere.

[Karenca]

11. Yes------

to everything you wrote.

[Vincardog]

17. Thank you

Please join me in blowing raspberry's at the fascists at every opportunity.

[The Stranger]

7. Those are right wing talking points, and they don't fly here.

[mtice]

20. Hezbollah's stated objectives

"It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth." - Hassan Nasrallah, 1992

"if they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide." - Hassan Nasrallah, 10/22/2002



Someone please explain to me how taking the leader of Hezbollah at his word is "right wing" or drinking Kool-Aid or any of the other foolish, naive slurs that you care to toss my way. I would say that if you don't understand that Hezbollah is a fascist and genocidal organization, then it is you who are drinking the Kool-Aid. When the leader of Hezbollah says such things proudly and often, on what basis do you to tell me that this is not what they mean?

[Robbien]

8. Depends on one's definition of free

If free means supported by US taxpayers to heavily bomb the civilians in their neighboring countries causing bloodshed and death and occupying their country.

Yes, Israel is free.

[Karenca]

15. Israel is a free nation, just like the US is free.

No, Israel is not a free nation, but is just a puppet
for bushco, who controls the strings---


And we haven't been a free nation since
we've been taken over in 2000.

[cali]

2. It all depends on the lens

through which you are viewing things.

[Robbien]

3. We give our tax dollars to Israel

End of story.

Giving money to people hurt by US funded bombs, just not the American Way.

:irony: icon if there was one.

[bryant69]

4. I suppose because Israel is seen as a legitimate nation

and Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. Also of course it's percieved that Iran and Syria are paying Hezbollah to attack Israel, while we are paying Israel to defend itself.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[MercutioATC]

10. Actually, Hezbollah is a political party in Lebanon.

You know, the "burgeoning democracy" of Lebanon...?

Hezbollah has 14 seats in Lebanon's Parliament and two ministers in Lebanon's government.

[bryant69]

13. I did say seen

It is complicated, because no matter how many seats they have in the parliment they also fire rockets on Israel.

Bryant

[ermoore]

12. This is the root of our disagreement.

That some people can't tell the difference between Israel and Hezbollah really baffles me.

Israel - sovereign, democratic state defending itself and yet trying (though often with less than total success) to limit the civilian casualities it inflicts.

Hezbollah - a nonstate, religious organization committed to wiping Israel off the map (not just reclaiming the West Bank or Shebaa Farms or Gaza or securing the Right of Return) whose methods are reaching its goals are to kill as many Israeli citizens as possible and also try to have Israel kill as many Arab citizens as possible.

The two are not morally equal. I don't understand how some people can't see the difference.

[bloom]

19. What others don't see

That Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land. That Israel uses (or at least has admitted using) torture as a method of control. That Israel is every bit as bent on taking over other people's land as the people are on getting it back. That Israel is intent on taking enough land from Lebanon that they can control some of the water.

I don't see Israel as so much more legitimate than anyone else when they have no use for international law.

I also don't think much of the US following their example.


And I don't see why that any other country should not help out the Palestinians or Hezbolla - under the circumstances.

[treestar]

16. Sounds just like the Cold War

when it was OK to take $$ from the US but evil to take it from the Soviets.

It's just a double standard. Arabs=Muslims=Communists.

[maddezmom]

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