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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:29 PM
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Sen. Jay Rockefeller (Wussbag -- W. Virginia)
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 06:35 PM by Stevendsmith
Fascist errand boy for BushCo Pat Roberts has Rockefeller trained well.

Report on Prewar Intelligence Lagging
Information Democrats Want Most Might Not Come Out Until After Election

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/29/AR2006072900608.html

Good widdle Jay-Jay! Oh yes you are!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:32 PM
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1. Say...I've heard that name Rockefeller before....
How did his family become one of the wealthiest on the planet?

Something about black stuff that comes out of the ground.. :think:
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Lusted4 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:34 PM
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2. Self delete n/t
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 06:37 PM by Lusted4
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:34 PM
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3. I read the article can
you please tell me what made you conclude that Rockefeller is a Wussbag, facist and an errand boy? What did i miss?

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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:35 PM
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4. What The Fuck Are You Talking About?
Read the god damned article. Rockefeller is the only god damned Democrat on the committee that is trying to do anything at all. So why on earth are you getting down on his ass?
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:37 PM
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6. True dat!
Jay's one of the Good Guys.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:39 PM
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7. Rockefeller should be screaming from the rooftops about this
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 06:44 PM by Stevendsmith
This is the most vile and criminal violation of the notion of open government and transparency I have ever seen. Show me what Rockefeller has done do seriously daylight this issue.

He hasn't done squat.

He's a perfect example of the cowed, feckless, enablement of the worst administration in the history of this country.

That's what the fuck I'm talking about.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:41 PM
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8. Whaaaaaat?
Dude have you imploded? Please loosen your jock strap it is causing blood loss to your brain.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:49 PM
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11. Dude, I "imploded" about 6 years ago
When these fascists were installed in the White House and Democrats like Jay Rockefeller promptly laid down like doormats to the administration's henchmen in congress.

Jockstrap? I take it you're in junior high?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:16 PM
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18. Well at least you
have a sense of humor I suppose. But at 45 I am not used to being called a Junior High schooler. I suppose I should thank you for that? And maybe i said it because you lashed out like you were juiced or something. My mistake i guess.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:28 PM
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19. No big! It's just that this issue really burns me up. It's so critical.
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 07:28 PM by Stevendsmith
The jockstrap thing actually cracked me up!

:hi:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:51 PM
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12. You have no idea what you're talking about
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 06:57 PM by WilliamPitt
Rockefeller has been yelling about this stuff for several years now. Clue phone calling: he is in the minority, which means he can't really do anything except yell. He's also a Southern Democrat in the minority, so he's not getting a lot of press.

I've personally written about his yelling several times now. Here are a few:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/111503A.shtml

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/4/4720

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/110305I.shtml

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/102503A.shtml

You make your points about as well as Dick Cheney shoots quail. Sad but true.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:54 PM
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13. Fitzgerald? Did you actually use the phrase "clue phone calling"?
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 07:05 PM by Stevendsmith
Dude, with all due respect to your political acumen (I mean that seriously), taking a spanking from someone at the center of the "Rove indictment" fiasco is a fucking laugh.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:57 PM
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15. Heh
Way to blow my own line.

:shaking head at self:

You're still wrong, tho. Read those links I gave you.
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:13 PM
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17. Your links are useful. I've read many of those already.
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 07:17 PM by Stevendsmith
I'll admit that saying that Rockefeller hasn't done squat is totally inaccurate. It's my anger talking. I should know better.

But!

I will not recant my anger that Rockefeller isn't making a PUBLIC STINK about this.

And the fact that he's in the minority is not an excuse.

God, I'm sick of hearing that shit. "Their hands are tied; they're in the minority."

Bullshit. The Democratic leadership in this country is a joke. They're a bunch of spineless, risk-averse clowns.

They are not powerless, yet they act like they are.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:56 PM
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14. I think the point is that Jay's not yelling enough..........
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 06:57 PM by CrownPrinceBandar
And while I certainly can appreciate the frustration, I think Jay has done alot to forward this investigation. Like this little tidbit from the article cited in the OP:

"Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), the committee's ranking Democrat, began inquiring about the evidence against Iraq one week before U.S. troops invaded. His interest was sparked by revelations that the Bush administration passed on forged documents to U.N. weapons inspectors to support allegations that Iraq had sought uranium from the African nation of Niger"

No, its not shouting daily from the rooftops, but I certainly think it elevates him from Repug pussy-cat.

edit: grammar
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:03 PM
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16. I agree. Yes, my point is that Rockefeller is not yelling enough.
Look, I am infuriated by the Democratic enablement of BushCo. This Intel report thing burns my hide more than anything, because it is so central.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:37 PM
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5. I think your anger is a bit misplaced.......
Last I checked the Republicans still had the majority on the committee. And why aim your ire at Jay? Are Mikulski, Feinstein and Feingold doing such a bang-up of a job that they escape your screed?
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:44 PM
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9. Rockefeller is Roberts' counterpart on the Intelligence Committee
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 06:51 PM by Stevendsmith
He is the ranking Democrat on the Intel Committee.

And, no, none of the Democrats on the Intel Committee are doing shit about this.

This is a non-issue in the joke that passess for political awareness in the mainstream of this country.

Of course, the Repugs are going to keep it quiet, but the Dems should be going public with this every day. This is a major outrage!

I can't believe I'm having to explain this!

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 06:45 PM
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10. Actually, only ONE Intel committee Dem signed the DSM letter in June 2005
And Corzine is no longer there. The INtel Committee Dems have not exactly cooperated as much as needed to force this through. They barely even talk about it publicly.


June 22, 2005
The Honorable Pat Roberts, Chairman
The Honorable John D. Rockefeller, IV, Vice Chairman
United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
SH-211
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Roberts and Senator Rockefeller:

We write concerning your committee's vital examination of pre-war Iraq intelligence failures. In particular, we urge you to accelerate to completion the work of the so-called "Phase II" effort to assess how policy makers used the intelligence they received. Last year your committee completed the first phase of a two-phased effort to review the pre-war intelligence on Iraq. Phase I-begun in the summer of 2003 and completed in the summer of 2004-examined the performance of the American intelligence community in the collection and analysis of intelligence prior to the war, including an examination of the quantity and quality of U.S. intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and the intelligence on ties between Saddam Hussein's regime and terrorist groups. At the conclusion of Phase I, your committee issued an unclassified report that made an important contribution to the American public's understanding of the issues involved. In February 2004-well over a year ago-the committee agreed to expand the scope of inquiry to include a second phase which would examine the use of intelligence by policy makers, the comparison of pre-war assessments and post-war findings, the activities of the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group (PCTEG) and the Office of Special Plans in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and the use of information provided by the Iraqi National Congress. The committee's efforts have taken on renewed urgency given recent revelations in the United Kingdom regarding the apparent minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between Prime Minister Tony Blair and his senior national security advisors. These minutes-known as the "Downing Street Memo"-raise troubling questions about the use of intelligence by American policy makers-questions that your committee is uniquely situated to address. The memo indicates that in the summer of 2002, at a time the White House was promising Congress and the American people that war would be their last resort, that they believed military action against Iraq was "inevitable." The minutes reveal that President "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

The American people took the warnings that the administration sounded seriously-warnings that were echoed at the United Nations and here in Congress as we voted to give the president the authority to go to war. For the sake of our democracy and our future national security, the public must know whether such warnings were driven by facts and responsible intelligence, or by political calculation. These issues need to be addressed with urgency. This remains a dangerous world, with American forces engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other challenges looming in Iran and North Korea. In this environment, the American public should have the highest confidence that policy makers are using intelligence objectively-never manipulating it to justify war, but always to protect the United States. The contents of the Downing Street Memo undermine this faith and only rigorous Congressional oversight can determine the truth. We urge the committee to complete the second phase of its investigation with the maximum speed and transparency possible, producing, as it did at the end of Phase I, a comprehensive, unclassified report from which the American people can benefit directly.

Sincerely,
John Kerry

Co-signers: Sens. Tim Johnson, Jon Corzine, Jack Reed, Frank Lautenberg, Barbara Boxer, Edward Kennedy, Thomas Harkin, Jeff Bingaman, Richard Durbin
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