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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:19 AM
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Lamont's Victory BIGGER THAN YOU THOUGHT
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 12:21 AM by berni_mccoy
Check this out:

http://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary.asp?ID=CTS1&Cycle=2006

Lieberman outspent Lamont 2-to-1... spending more than 6 million out of 8 million raised. Lamont spent over 3.75 million out of 4 million raised. This is a HUGE victory for Lamont given that he beat a long-time incumbent in a primary who outspent him 2:1. Lamont is going to need help to beat Lieberman (I) in November who still has over 3 million cash on hand.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:20 AM
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1. It also proves that money alone doesn't win elections.
Do I need to repeat that for the strategists in the room?
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:21 AM
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2. True, but in almost all cases the bigger spender wins
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:23 AM
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3. Past performance does not guarantee future results.
Hold to the "most money" mantra at your peril. Our government will no longer be bought.
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:11 AM
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26. I so hope you're right.
That's what makes me sick about our political process.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:45 AM
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27. You and a significant number of those who don't vote at all.
The turnout at this election is very significant.
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:25 AM
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6. Has anyone read Freakonomics?
It claims that spending the most money doesn't matter in a political race.

I stopped reading the book at that point since they lost all credibility.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:26 AM
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7. then I guess you dont believe Lieberman lost?
:shrug:
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:41 AM
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11. I was speaking in general
Holy Joe's demise seems to me to be an exception to the rule that big spenders win.
But he's such an extreme case, a Repug mole, that people couldn't stomach him and Diebold wasn't around to save him.

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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:23 AM
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4. Yes, especially if with all that cash you chintz on the web hosting n/t
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:34 AM
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19. You have to have a darn good campaigner and candidate to beat big money.
Luckily, Lamont is both.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:04 AM
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32. "Money alone" doesn't win
Very true, but I don't think anyone disputes that a certain threshold level of money needs to be raised by a candidate before he or she is regarded as serious.

But in and of itself, the bigger campaign budget doesn't translate automatically to victory. Look at Steve Forbes: The guy has more money than Croesus, but can't poll out of the single digits in the GOP.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:09 AM
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34. The bigger upset is an incumbent senator lost a.... PRIMARY... for only ..
about the 3rd time in the last 50 years. You need to be caught in bed with young boys to lose a primary in this country and George bush's favorite senator managed to do worse.

He kissed the AWOL/moron.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:24 AM
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5. The People are ready for change!!!!!!
Nothing will stop us! Time to take the trash out!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:32 AM
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9. "TIME TO TAKE THE TRASH OUT" should be the Dem mantra
for the next several years -- or however long it takes to get rid of every stinking republican who had a hand in the destruction of this country.

:woohoo: I really like that!! :applause:

:kick::kick::kick:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:40 AM
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10. I LOVE it.
Seriously. Makes me smile and laugh. Beautiful.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:55 AM
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16. Very good... and tonight was a big dump run
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:28 AM
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8. Great graph berni_mccoy. Lamont - outspent 2-1 - WINS!!! As they say in...
Texas.... YAHHHH-HOOOOOO!!!!!

Will the MSM cover the diminishing power of money? Me thinks not!

PEOPLE POWER ROCKS!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:42 AM
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12. Loserman also had the entire Democratic party machine
behind him, with just about every prominent Dem from Barbara Boxer to Bill Clinton stumping for him. The Repuke controlled media has also been spinning for Loserman.

All things considered, Lamont's victory is an amazing feat.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:45 AM
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15. Which speaks to how the party is (NOT) representing the people
at least in this case.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:59 AM
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29. Unfortunately for Holy Joe, he
did not have Diebold behind him.

I think the election in Connecticut last night makes the point that in a FAIR election, the wishes of the voter trumps money interests.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:43 AM
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13. We really need to follow through.
If you have a Democratic Senator, you need to contact them and encourage their support for Lamont and to discourage the Lieberman independent run. Then if you can, you need to throw some bucks Lamont's way.
Lieberman pulled in big bucks the last four weeks and we have to stand up to that corporate $$. Our donations now will send a message to the Democratic party leaders to also back up Lamont with $$$.

I'm going to write Durbin and Obama then send thirty bucks to Lamont. This is an important step to save America.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:44 AM
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14. 2 million dollars left over.
I wonder what that's for? :freak:
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:28 AM
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17. he obviously didn't spend enough on his website
what a dumbass
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:29 AM
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18. and those were repug $ that joe spent
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:36 AM
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20. Did you know Joe raised 1.3 million in the last 15 days?
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 01:38 AM by Tinksrival
The largest was 12,600. Matt at mydd did a breakdown and looks at just who contributed to joe in these last days. Wonder if the influencing of joe is worth them tossing more cash at Lieberman. You can look at it here:
http://www.mydd.com/main/4
edit to add: scroll to bottom of page for sample of donors
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:37 AM
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21. Much of what Joe spent was to buy workers, Lamont had many volunteers
Volunteers make a huge difference.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:30 AM
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22. I thought that Joe was focusing on the air war?
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 04:32 AM by BrightKnight
I thought he was going to invest in media and neglect GOTV efforts.

If this is true his ads were apparently not very effective.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:53 AM
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23. The implications are BIG indeed
a K&R from happy belgium - wasn't in the news over here though (yet).

let's see if I can change that :-)
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:54 AM
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24. If you want to realize the real miracle in all this
there was a nice writer lady (wish I could remember her name) on the Daily Show not more than a few weeks ago that had written a book about how there really IS a ONE PARTY System in that even the right wingers will HELP an Incumbent.. the whole game is to get in and STAY IN, and that works across the board, THAT is the Crony old Buddy System right there..

She quoted that the Incumbent return in the Senate was 98%!!!!!

My Jaw Dropped.. I knew it was a Lot but not that much.. they all work together to create the illusion that it's a two party system just to STAY in power then argue over who gets the most pork for their state.

So the real JOY here is tha the PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING, and what they are saying is like another poster so sweetly put it, "Time to TAKE OUT THE TRASH!"

I'm tempted to donate some flash work to Lamont, can't afford to lay bucks on him, but I can make flash ads :)

I met Joe once, even got him to say TAKE BACK THE MEDIA (the name of my site), and it was like speaking greek to him, a real mental case..

Lamont convinced me on the Colbert Report.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:01 AM
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30. Hey symbolman! Good to hear from you!
I'd love to collaborate on some of that Flash work if you want. I'm already registered with Ned's campaign, so many this would be a good place to put some effort. Ned's gonna need it.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:28 PM
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37. Let's talk
PM me and we'll get a little brain storm going.. in my opinion Ned's going places, from what I saw on Colbert Report he has Colbert's blessing and everything Ned said rang like a bell in my soul.. a REAL DEMOCRAT and one who is rock solid..

Love to see this man run for President..
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:09 AM
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25. He was also up against the entire
Democratic establishment, the newspaper endorsments all of which except one went for Lieberman. And the MSM including almost all the pundits who were pushing hard for Lieberman. And don't forget, a few months ago many people didn't even know who Lamont was. Considering all this and the fact that Lieberman was an 18 year incumbent, his deafeat is truly a big victory.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:27 AM
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28. No doubt, Lamont has the message of THE PEOPLE
And the DSCC and the DNC will follow his lead. This is great tidings for a November victory.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:03 AM
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31. There is going to be a lot of stigma
attached to giving wrinkle face any money now.

Like mafia money.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:05 AM
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33. Its like a five-time heavyweight world champion losing to a pro golfer n/t
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:27 AM
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35. But...but...but...Lamont used his own money! Joe only used corporate
donations! That is so unfair! Whine! Whine! Whine! How dare Lamont not finance his campaign by getting on his knees for the pharmaceutical corporations! Whine! Whine! Whine!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:56 AM
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36. Well said!
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