Hey Joe

[H2O Man]

(revised from the C. Powers song made famous by Jimi Hendrix)
Hey Joe, where you going with that blood on your hands
I said hey hey Joe where you going with that blood on your hands
I gotta find a new party
I caught the old one picking another man
Found my old party
Caught voters messin' round with another man

Hey Joe what you gonna do
Hey hey Joe what you gonna do
Betray my old party
They caught me kissin' the neocons
Betray my old party
They caught me butt kissin' neocons

Hey Joe where you gonna go
Hey hey Joe where you gonna go
I'm going down where the grass grows greener
I'm gonna go huntin' with Dick Cheney-O

Ain't no grassroots gonna play democracy with me
Hey Joe where you gonna go
Hey Joe where you gonna go
Ah Joe we already know

[burythehatchet]

1. Giddy are we?

:)

[H2O Man]

2. PS .....

Today is similar in significance to when Eugene McCarthy exposed the LBJ war policy as extremely unpopular. The significance of what the grass roots has done -- including DUers who contributed time and money to the Lamont campaign -- should not be underestimated. More, we are seeing one of the republican party's national strategy -- to force the state machine to endorse Lieberman, and to make that the focus of the 2006 congressional elections.

Our work has just started in earnest.

[NewJeffCT]

3. Agreed - now the real work begins

The general election will be the real race, and there are still a lot of issues out there:
1) Will Chris Dodd (or anybody else?) approach Holy Joe and try to convince him to drop out of the race for the good of the party? If they do, will they be successful?

2) Will the Republicans convince Alan Schlesinger to drop out of the race? If so, will they then endorse Lieberman... or, will they get somebody else to run in place of Schlesinger? (Colin McEnroe on WTIC speculated a few weeks back about somebody with deep pockets that was a big Bush supporter might be the one, but I forgot his name?)

3) Will any prominent Democrats stick with Lieberman?

4) Will national Dems fully support Ned Lamont? It's one thing to endorse the party nominated candidate, but it's another thing to actively campaign & support him.

I'm sure I'm missing some things, too.

[H2O Man]

5. Good questions.

On MSNBC, it has been reported that the Clintons will be pulling on Joe's collar, and telling him that his course could do damage to the democratic party nationally. If he decides to ignore them, and to continue his quest as a "third party" candidate, the national figures will separate from him. He will be exposed for being a neoconservative by-product, or "neoliberal." There are, of course, others in the House and Senate who are similar to him in their neoliberal essence, but as a two-time loser, Lieberman is not going to attract a serious following of democrats.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. I think by Nov - Joe Lieberman is going to make Katherine Harris

look sane and rational and I'm sure they will have about the same level of support from me, myself & I and that will be about it.

[NewJeffCT]

10. Is Ann Coulter still registered in CT?

She might vote for Lieberman, too.

I had thought there was an issue with her trying to register in Florida, though?

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. She voted in the wrong precinct

which is illegal but when did that ever matter to a Repug.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to check CT voter registration. She's probably registered to vote in a number of states.

[H2O Man]

15. He is going

to disgrace himself unnecessarily, to try to please his masters. If he were to bow out now, a large number of democrats would respect him for his career. He did do good in some areas. People could say they respect him on many things, but had to separate from him because of his support of the Cheney policy in Iraq. But he can't quit now -- he has to do what he is told.

[havocmom]

17. Who does his wife work for? I forget names so easily

And I don't mind playing straight man so H2O Man can jar everyone's memory about where the real power is. ;)

[H2O Man]

22. She is a

pharm-lobbyist. I, too, forget the name of her employer.

[havocmom]

26. Thanks. One more bit of evidence that it's not just the war

;)

[burythehatchet]

4. My hope is that

this victory serves as a motivation for all of us. As you know its been so discouraging for the past six years, and many of us have become pessimistic about the results of our efforts. This small but significant victory may inject a bit more energy.

The point that I believe deserves much scrutiny is Joe's decision to run as an Independent. I think there is a lot to that decision, more than meets the eye. Its an incredibly remarkable decision from a former VP candidate. This whole DLC issue deserves more than a mob beat-down. Something is amiss.

[H2O Man]

7. Good points.

What does meet the eye is that Fox News is cheerleading for Joe's third party campaign. I do not remember them supporting old Joe so heartily when he was running with Al Gore. They denied the fact that Gore-Lieberman won the election. And now they are denying that democrats have the right to reject him. This alone gives us a good measure of what forces are in play.

[KharmaTrain]

6. It's Joe's "Golden Hour"

You know...that crucial time between suffering a heart attack and getting medical attention. The next 24 hours for Joementum will seal his fate. When I saw Evan Bayh had come out to support Lamont, I could smell the rigormortis in Lieberman's career start to set in.

Joe thinks a three-way race splits the Democratic vote. Wrong. He's trying to use the Lowell Wiecker, 1970 model, but he should look closer at the Ross Perot '92 Presidential model. Unlike '70, the Democrats in the General were split with two candidates running...this year it'll be the Repugnicans. Joementum's loss was a repudiation by the Democrats from the state and with this "independent" bid, he's now a NON Democrat. He'll split the right wingnut vote as there are still going to be die-hard Repugnicans in that state who will go with Schlessinger and many of Joe's "friends" who may not like Lamont, but instead of going to vote FOR Joe, will stay home.

I sure hope Reid strips his committee chairmanships and seniority. By declaring as an "Independent"...Liebermann renounced the Democratic party and over the next 24 hours we're gonna see how many friend he really has. The longer Joe remains angry and runs against Lamont, he loses again.

Looks like the Kiss float needs an oil change and tune-up, it's gonna be on the road for another 3 months.

[H2O Man]

9. I agree fully.

Lieberman refuses to respect the citizens' strong beliefs about the Bush-Cheney policies in Iraq. He shows the same refusal to honor the democratic process that the Bush-Cheney forces demonstrated in 2000. He is disgracing himself.

[KharmaTrain]

12. Now Lamont Must Run Against Booosh...Not Liebermann

He should pretend Joe doesn't exist...or is a fringe candidate in this race. Ned needs to keep doing what got him this far...running against this regime and its appeasers. This means extending coat-tails to attack the Repugnican Congresscritters in the state and coordinating with the Democratic Congressional campaigns...that freezes Joe out even further (unless Joe's willing to bankroll all those campaigns as well). Rahm Emanuel, to his credit, nailed the main issue of the campaign and its time now not to run from the fact Democrats are against this war and are THE only way to put the brakes on this runaway regime.

Cheers to you...

:hi:

[Octafish]

13. Machine Gun

Great job on a great song and subject, H20 Man! Thank you very much!

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government." - Thomas Jefferson

DIM WARMONKEY

[H2O Man]

14. Yesterday was

an important step in the right direction. It put people in Washington on notice, that they can no longer take the support of voters for granted, nor can they count on voter apathy. As a person who appreciates the political history of our nation, I'm sure that you appreciate the significance of what is happening.

(edited: spelling error!)

[Octafish]

23. ''Where Have You Gone, Ralph Bunche?''

I know you know, but in Detroit, where I live, nowhere near as many people remember the great statesman as should.

The LA Times spells things out nicely:

Where Have You Gone, Ralph Bunche?

Rice and Powell have twisted the ideals that the statesman brought to diplomacy.

by Erin Aubry Kaplan
Published on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 by the Los Angeles Times

What would Ralph Bunche do?

It's a question I have been pondering as the violence in the Middle East continues unabated and unmediated. It's natural to think of Bunche, the renowned American diplomat who helped broker a truce between Arabs and Israelis in 1949 — when mere coexistence, much less a truce, seemed almost impossible.

My reflections on Bunche, however, were prompted not so much by the state of things half a world away as by the annual Central Avenue Jazz Festival in L.A. Bunche was a product of L.A.'s historically black Central Avenue/Eastside neighborhood, which nurtured not only jazz but ambition of all kinds. And Bunche did the neighborhood proud, earning a doctorate in government and international relations at Harvard, helping to create the United Nations and winning the Nobel Peace Prize in 1950 — the first black man to receive the award.

Bunche was an unabashed peace activist whose sense of mission was fueled in part by the times — after World War II, the United States was not eager for more bloodshed — and in part by his own experience with the psychological and actual violence that attends the black American experience. And what would Bunche, who died in 1971, think now about the new prominence of African Americans in statesmanship?

No doubt the famously eloquent statesman would be speechless. Speechless that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who owes so much to his legacy, flouts it routinely. The nation she represents now prefers war, including preemptive war, as the most reasonable path to peace. The very word "peace" — like "love" and "community" and "evil" — has been rubberized by postmodernist spin doctors, including Rice, stretched to the point where it has no moral content.

CONTINUED...

Wonder how many DUers know the name?

I know this dimwit has no clue:

DRUNKEN COKE-WHORE

[H2O Man]

25. Ralph Bunche

I'm not sure why this popped in my head, but in 1965, when the heroic super patriot J Edgar Hoover was attempting to destroy Martin, including having DeLoach have his infamous meeting with Wilkens (in which they threatened black leaders that they would "expose" King if the black leadership could not force him to retire to a position such as president of Morehouse College), the director feared that Bunche would get wind of the FBI campaign and expose it. This episode is addressed in Taylor Branch's "Pillar of Fire."

I assume we are going to witness similar campaigns this fall.

[bryant69]

16. The Byrds did a great version of that song

And The Leaves too. They did faster folk rock versions of course.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Annces]

18. I saw Galloway video - website posted on Counterpunch

Galloway speaks out about Israel and Hizbullah.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9071731896689197790&q=galloway

[zippy890]

19. kick and a question

what is your take on the 'George McGovern landslide defeat' argument that comes up among some discussions that draw a parallel between the anti-war democratic candidate in 1972 - and any anti war candidate now?

love your version of Hey Joe, by the way

:hi:

[H2O Man]

21. I like the question.

The republicans do us a favor by asking it. My response is that this time Lamont/McGovern beat Liberman/Nixon.

[dpbrown]

20. I was just thinking about this song

Nice update.

[CatWoman]

24. you are getting just too damn wild for your own good

:rofl:

K&R

:hi:

[H2O Man]

27. I know, I know ....

I get carried away ....