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G2099 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:21 AM
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The Democrats’ Impeachment Plans
Writing in the imperialist and neocon National Review, Byron York can be expected to be against impeachment of King George the Dubya. And so he is. But if the Democrats really have assembled the goods on how Dubya has broken some 26 laws and regulations (I haven't read the 350-page document yet), he can scream "leftwing" all he wants but it won't stop impeachment proceedings from beginning IF the Democrats win the House in November.

All the more reason to get out the vote for the Democrats in November!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/franke5.html
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:25 AM
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1.  Have the democrats won a single seat, since yesterday?
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:30 AM
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3. Lets see
TX-22, the Repukes are reduced to a write-in candidacy. Bob Ney in OH-18 may not be able to get a replacement on the ballot. And last night the prominent Republican Senator from Connecicut got his ass kicked. So, off to a good start :)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:35 AM
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10. Here' in TX-22, the newfangled e-voting machines (thanks, Reeps!) will
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 10:37 AM by elehhhhna
make it damnned near impossible to vote for the Cabal-selected write in Reep candidate. One has to DIAL the name, not type it. LMAO



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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:32 AM
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5. Nope just getting prepared for the November take over!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:33 AM
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6. Doesn't matter. See post #2 below.
NGU.


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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:14 AM
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16. what did post #2 tell me? It didn't answer my post #1 question yet
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 11:15 AM by AlamoDemoc
see post #1
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:52 PM
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17. Nothing if you didn't read it.
Patriotic citizens don't need a Dem majority to initiate IMPEACHMENT proceedings.

NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:26 AM
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2. Here's a powerful list from the DIY IMPEACHMENT site:
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 10:27 AM by ClassWarrior
Arguments Against Bush Impeachment...

• If we impeach Bush, we’ll get President Cheney!
Initiating the impeachment process would lead to an investigation that would implicate lots of people in the Bush administration who are guilty of committing crimes, including Cheney.

In addition, no matter who we get to replace Bush, we’ll be showing those in power that anyone who breaks the law will be held accountable.

• We should wait to promote impeachment until after Democrats gain majority status after the November elections, or else we'll seem too “extreme.”
The best way to get congress members in favor of impeachment elected is to shine a light on Bush’s crimes and the Republican Party’s (and many of the Democrats') complicity in them. Demanding impeachment is one effective way of doing that. (We need a majority in congress of people supporting impeachment in order to get subpoena power. This will allow us to finally investigate the crimes that this administration has been committing, which will lead, in turn, to impeachment.)

Secondly, demanding that crimes be investigated is NOT extreme.

Waiting until November, besides reducing the chances of getting impeachment friendly politicians elected, will also leave us complicit in any further crimes Bush commits. The Union of Concerned Scientists has estimated that the death toll from a "tactical" nuclear weapon of the kind Bush is contemplating using in Iran would be at minimum 3 million men, women, and children. The path of death would stretch across country boundaries into India.

Also, there's no guarantee that impeachment friendly politicians will gain majority status after the November elections. So our strategy shouldn't rely upon it.

• Impeachment will never happen. The Republicans will block it.
Today's impossibility is tomorrow's reality. All we need is for a few Republican Congress members to realize that tying their political future to Bush reduces their chances of getting elected. Remember, one way or another, Bush is gone by 2009— but members of Congress may retain their offices beyond that date. Bush's poll numbers are extremely low, and most Americans support impeachment. This is a bipartisan movement. This means that if we make the pressure unbearable for Members of Congress, they'll turn on him to keep their own seats (like they did with Nixon). It's already starting to happen. While many Members of Congress have behaved unethically in the last few years, it's important to understand that this is related to their warped view of what's in their self-interest. Let's wake them up to their true self-interest (impeaching the president), by showing them our support for impeachment now!

Finally, making sure you can look back and be proud of your opposition to this tyranny is priceless.

• It hurts the democracy to go through a presidential impeachment.
Holding government officials accountable for their actions strengthens our democracy. Letting lawlessness stand weakens it.

• If we don't support our president, we aid the terrorists.
We support terrorism when we fail to deal with its root causes (poverty, lack of education, support of dictatorships, etc.). We also support it by enabling a president who creates breeding grounds for terrorists — like Iraq has now become, thanks to our invasion and occupation.

Middle Eastern countries upset with the oppressive international policies of the past and current administration might think better of the U.S. if we appeared to learn from our mistakes by impeaching a president who has been so instrumental in that oppression.

• Impeachment is the wrong approach. Our government is tyrannical, and needs to be overthrown through a popular revolution.

If our government fell today, I wouldn't want the government that this population would create in it's place. Revolution only makes sense once the people understand the problem. The people don't (thanks to a complicit media). So, first we must help the majority to understand the situation we're in. We don't do that by pushing them away with what appears to be extremism. We must use skillful means to reveal the tyranny of this administration (or government in general). I believe the best way to do this is to make reasonable requests (investigations of likely wrong doing), and when we're denied, the people see that. Some do anyway, and more every time it happens (especially when we take to the streets each time). And slowly we get enough people onboard to EITHER reform the system, or replace it all together. Regardless of your goal (fixing the system or revolution), the path is the same. First, you try to CHANGE the system. When the system shows itself to be tyrannical, that influences the PEOPLE to move closer to revolution. IF the system changes instead, well, you just won a victory (and maybe the theory that the system is hopelessly tyrannical is flawed). Regardless, the path is the same. It's a process. We must have the resolve to see it through. We can't bend to the MTV generation pressures of needing perfection today. Because that isn't and can't be a reality. Ultimately, that attitude is just a cop-out for failing to do the real hard work of changing the system.

Side note:
Some Democratic Members of Congress have indicated that they're not currently pursuing Bush's impeachment. While this is upsetting, they percieve it to be in their (and the Democratic Party's) political best interest, at least until the political pressure builds. There are other reasons they're waiting as well, and one of those things is us. They (as well as Republican members) need us to legitimize their support for the process. Having millions of ImpeachForPeace.org's "Do-It-Yourself Impeachment" arrive at their door is one powerful tool toward making that happen.


See http://impeachforpeace.org/.

And if you want to initiate IMPEACHMENT proceedings yourself as a citizen, visit http://impeachforpeace.org/ImpeachNow.html

Visualize IMPEACHMENT.

Then DO something to make it happen.

NGU.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:33 AM
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7. Downloaded my two copies and am waiting for Oct 12 send in!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:28 PM
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19. Me too, LSN...
:thumbsup:

NGU.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:30 PM
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20. swell CW!
:thumbsup:
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:31 AM
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4. As much as it hurts to say this...
I don't think the Democrats would try to impeach Bush, even if they gained control of both houses. The centrist leadership still views impeachment as too "drastic", something that is far too "radical" for people to support. What the Republicans are really afraid of is investigations into all the stuff we know about and stuff they've been keeping under wraps, which would really put their heads on the chopping block in 2008.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:33 AM
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8. Well then why don't you just hurt all by yourself!
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:36 AM
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11. I really hope I'm wrong.
But it isn't constructive to spread false hope about Bush being impeached.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:37 AM
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12. Doesn't matter. Read post #2 above.
NGU.


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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:40 AM
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14. I agree with all that.
But I don't think the Democratic leadership, as well as many centrist factions including the DLC would support impeachment proceedings.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:52 PM
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18. Let's cross that bridge when we get to it.
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 01:53 PM by ClassWarrior
And not defeat ourselves before we even try.

NGU.


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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:35 AM
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9. "Impeachment: It's Constitutional, Stupid!"
:evilgrin:
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:06 AM
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15. for the sake of justice, the constitution and it is the right thing to do
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 11:07 AM by ktlyon
Impeachment is called for,now
We must make an example of these people before they set the example for future elected officials in the White House.
The president must not be allowed to rise above the law, this is very important.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:38 AM
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13. If there were EVER in the history of our Republic, a pResident who
MUST be impeached, it is GWB.
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