OBL tape, fake or not, has Bush outfoxed again.

[Inland]

I don't think it's an admin plant because it once again makes the US look bad. Osama (or pretend Osama) offers a truce conditioned on the US withdrawing from Iraq, which 1) he knows will not be accepted and 2) Looks pretty darn reasonable to anyone who wonders why the US has not pulled out already and 3) supposedly gives the US the assurances of no attacks on US soil.

As much bullshit as the offer is, and I think it is, the fact is that trust in Bush is so low that most of the world will think that Bush refuses it so that he can stay in Iraq and use the threat of an attack on US soil as an means to claim greater domestic power. Why not, as the shithead lied to get us in and really is using pretexts to claim for power at home. It's not like it's beyond him, is it?

Anyway, the US has such low standing that a religious extremist murdering madman like OBL has better PR everywhere but the US itself. Think about how bad that is, that a terrorist who only surfaces twice a year can look like a truthtelling statesman seeking justice and peace next to Commander Cuckoobananas. How bad is THAT?

[rodeodance]

1. we have never tried the diplomacy route--just the barrel of a gun.

[Ignacio Upton]

2. It hurts our case for withdrawal

Because now anytime we rightfully advocate it, some right-wing jackass can pull this tape out of their asshole. Imagine a commercial morphing Murtha into Osama with the quote from this tape used. But anyway, I don't believe that Osama is serious. He was attacking us BEFORE we went into Iraq, and attacked us when Clinton was President (1998 Embassy Bombings, and failed 1999 Millenium Bom Plot.) I think that he's trying to pull a "Lucy pulling out of the football for Charlie Brown before she snags it." which is not unlike what Rove has done in various times.

[Inland]

6. I don't know if it helps or hurts, but OBL doesn't care.

I think his concept is that leave now or leave later, he is going to claim victory. That's what I would answer anyone who brings up the tape. We can't stop a claim of victory even if OBL is incinerated by the time we pull out.

[MADem]

3. I think he will make hay with it, myself

Something along the lines of "How dare that 'terrist' tell us freedom-loving peoples what to do? 911!!! 911!!!!"

He once again gets to morph the WTC into Iraq, just because Old Samma said the "I" word.

More people here in good ole 'Murika need to start saying that OTHER "I" word...and not let him get away with this shit, yet again.

[Inland]

8. Yeah, Osama doesn't mind it when Iraq becomes a "front line" either.

Like Bush, he's got his own reasons to pretend something other than a native insurgency is going on.

Two fuckers are in it together.

[Fiendish Thingy]

13. the RW talking point seems to be "he's on the ropes"

"our (non) strategy is working! stay the course!"

[theantirobot]

4. Doesn't anyone see what is going on?

The war on terror is over!! Osama say's there will be no attacks if US withdrawels from Iraq.

[Inland]

7. You believe that? I don't.

If Bush had any credibility, I don't think anyone would.

[la la]

5. okay - this is a bit off track, BUT-

who is and where the hell did *they* find this 'Deputy National Security Advisor', Dr. J.D. Crouch?

Just on wolfie- saying, uh, nothing, uh, uh, uh.

Who knows anything about this loser?

Is he another nepotism appointee?

Just wondering.

[seabeyond]

9. pretty sad when the bad guy sounds more reasoned, smarter

and sounds to be the problem solver. after reading what obl had put out i thought he had the upperhand on bush too, if it was obl.....and was current. not that i can bellieve a single thing with this govt seeing how they have consistantly lied since before being sworn into office

[Inland]

14. OBL, the problem solver. Things really are bad. nt

Th

[Touchdown]

10. I think OBL is dead.

These "tapes" that came out since Tora Bora are fakes, or archives. I'm with Thom Hartmann on this one. He was killed in Tora Bora and the crime family is lying to us, to keep us scared.

Remember when that oh' so conveeeeeeeeenient video appeared the last time? A few days before the election? Isn't it funny that all the media whores had their "OBL want's Kerry for President" talking points at the ready when this happened? And like magpies, they fell all over each other trying to say the same thing first.

Who verifies the authenticity of OBL's voice on these "new tapes"? Porter Goss? George Tenet? The NSA?

I don't buy this for a minute. The message is clear. If we pull out, then we're "giving in to a terrorist", so all of us who want an Iraq withdrawl, are...anybody suprised by now...aiding and comforting the terrorists. Get it? He's dead. This is Rove's transcript some guy (who was probably paid handsomely for it) to read.

:tinfoilhat:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

11. Remember the last time he warned us about an attack on US soil?

9-11 happened. I'm just really wondering where and when this time...And don't forget. We're one terrorist attack away from Martial Law, so we have THAT to look forward to.
Duckie

[Ignacio Upton]

12. He's warned us several times

Although a foreign incident could happen too.

[mikelewis]

15. Wrong answer... The tape is merely a way to change the subject.

The Osama tapes are not real. They are intended to return the sheep to bleating about terror as opposed to bleating about Bush. And it works very well, every time. It's merely a distraction nothing more, discussing it only fuels further.

[Inland]

16. I don't know. If it was completely made up

I would think I would have done something that didnt' make Bush look so bad.

You know, if I had the freedom to completely make one up, I would have it come from a no two saying OBL died of his wounds and just threatening terror no matter what we did. Instead, we have OBL fat and happy and sounding pretty conciliatory, considering he's a wacko killer. Hm.

[Art_from_Ark]

17. Have you ever been to a Grade B movie

where the villain is trying to make what sounds like a reasonable deal with the hero, and the audience shouts "Don't fall for it, Batman!" Seems to me that is the effect they're aiming for here.

[jimshoes]

18. They do it every time

They even bragged about it with that creating reality quote that one of *'s toadies gave to Ron Suskind a few years ago.