Liberman Irony

[Freedom_Aflaim]

It just occured to me that if the election was not stolen in 2000, Liberman would the the VP right now.

A quite many of us would be working to ensure that Liberman followed in Gore footsteps into the whitehouse (as opposed to say a republican following Gore into the whitehouse)

Strange how things work out sometimes.

Given the stolen election of 2000, the reality of what might have been is a total mirror image of the reality we are living in now.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. But Had They Had Been There, No 9/11, No War In Iraq, No Kiss, No Schiavo.

And we probably wouldn't have any ill will or hatred towards him.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

6. true. and it would be a fine tradeoff

I'd take liberman now if it meant no 9/11, no war, great economy etc etc.

[TRRepublican]

28. A lot of people would, but that is fantasy...

9/11 was going to happen unless there was extremely lucky and that would have been very little to do with presidential politics. The people were already in the country. The failure to find them was due to policies that were in effect before the election.

Further, the economy was already going south. The NASDAQ and S&P had huge drops before the election (NASDAQ had already lost nearly 50%. Q3 00 was negative growth. Only the small growth in Q4 kept the recession from officially starting on the Clinton watch.

There probably would not have been the war (probably not even Afghanistan) with Gore; probably just another groups of cruise missiles launched at terrorist rifle ranges.

However, there would probably have been a completely different result from the new 9/11 commission because there would have been a Democratic president and a Repub House. The biggest difference is that there would have been a completely different Supreme Court, because several liberal judges would have retired, giving Gore a chance to nominate and the Repubs would roll over (just like they did for Clinton's two, especially when one was the former ACLU council).

[Cha]

32. So are you a republican or

what?

[Protagoras]

21. don't forget Alito and

social security.

but you are basically right.

[elehhhhna]

22. We'd still have bankruptcy law. And stemcell research. And 2 dollar gas.

[Cha]

30. More Irony...lieberman didn't work

hard enough to become vp in 2000 and he kept himself on the ballot in Connecticut for Senate.

[Wilhelm Klink Reich]

2. doubtful

Gore is not a very good politician. He could not have withstood 4 years of the Republican attack machine brought to bear on him ala Clinton.

It seems to me the best he could hope for would be a comparison to Carter's Presidency. And if they staged 9-11 under his watch he would be villified for all time as one of the most ineffective leaders in our nation's history.

[Howardx]

5. He could not have withstood 4 years of the Republican attack

why not?

[elehhhhna]

23. Like he hadn't already withstood 8. Klink, it's ZOT time, to

speak your language.

[Wilhelm Klink Reich]

29. But if Gore had won

you wouldn't be able indulge your pie-in-the-sky optimism..that's a pretty big downside, no?

;)

[elehhhhna]

34. That's about enough out of you.

[Wilhelm Klink Reich]

36. You resorted to

lamely making fun of my username. That hardly puts you in a position to dictate things, does it?

[elehhhhna]

37. Honey, if shortening your username upsets you,

I suggest you grow thicker skin, or I'll have to call you Colonel Klink.

just sayin. ;-)

see my post 35 before get bunchy and edit it.

[VolcanoJen]

7. Umm, ok

So, we're damned if we fight, we're damned if we don't.

We're just screwed, basically?

And what makes you so certain that 9/11 would have occurred? Al Gore was pretty fine-tuned into the threat of al-Qaeda and terrorism.

[Horse with no Name]

9. Yes he was

in fact, Clinton left a dossier on Bin Laden and Al Quaeda for Bush to read--which was put on the backburner and never read. This is understandable given Dick and Jane is difficult for Bush.
Now, since Gore is an intellectual sort...I am quite certain he would have read it.

[Horse with no Name]

8. seems you really don't have a clue about Gore--do you?

And if what you say is true--then why does Bush get a "pass" at being an ineffective leader?

[Howardx]

10. another one of these people

who just drops in, makes a statement, then disappears. lot of that going on lately

[Horse with no Name]

11. Seems like Skinner should call Terminex or something

:)

[Wilhelm Klink Reich]

15. Actually I normally confine myself to the Lounge here at DU

but happened to see this thread on the front page and dashed off a response. If I'd anticipated the venomous responses I would have thought twice obviously

[Howardx]

18. any plans on backing up your statements?

you have spent all your time here since july 28th 2006 in the lounge?

[Wilhelm Klink Reich]

20. I'm not sure I understand your question totally

The statements I've made in this thread aren't something that can be substantiated really, we are talking about speculative "What If" alternate realities after all

I lurked on DU quite a while before creating an account if that was what you were getting at.

[elehhhhna]

24. oh no you di'n't!

[Wilhelm Klink Reich]

14. That's another story for another place in time

[Freedom_Aflaim]

13. please

Just because Gore refused to steal the election doesnt mean that he isnt a good politician.

[Wilhelm Klink Reich]

17. Perhaps I'm overstating it

but he is a terrible campaigner, you have to concede that. The other facets of being a politician are tougher to discern

[laundry_queen]

26. Gore is not a terrible campaigner.

He had a bunch of terrible no-good advisers for 2000. Advisers who fancied themselves as 'winners' because they were there with Bill Clinton, when it was Clinton who did all the winning, not the advisers. Ever see the campaign video that Gore was told not to show?? He was anything BUT 'terrible' in it. I don't have a link handy (my hard drive crashed today, I'm on another computer) but I'm sure someone here has that wonderful video link somewhere.

[Wilhelm Klink Reich]

33. That's sort of

weighing minutae as I see it with a touch of apologism thrown in for good measure.

[patricia92243]

3. Iraq and a lot of the other issues under Bush would never have come up.

[Kutjara]

4. Don't worry about Joe.

Just 'cause the GOP couldn't get to the voting machines in the Primary, it doesn't mean that he won't be Diebolded to victory as an Independant in November. The reason all the Repugs are so pissed off he didn't win yesterday is that it means a lot more work for them to manipulate the final vote.

[Dover]

12. I've always wondered who pared those two up.

Was that Gore's doing or was that the work of the DLC?

The DLC is almost indistinguishable from the rightwing in their policy choices, and Lieberman embodies that trend.

[JHB]

16. Or even more broadly...

...If Joe had simply been this feisty during the 2000 campaign and during the recount, he wouldn't have had this trouble now.

[Gin]

19. the nickname "SoreLoserman" ticked me off when it heard it after

the stolen election....but....Joe has grown into it...and it's now a perfect fit.

[elehhhhna]

25. Never thought I'd type this, but...

JOE, YA LOST! GET OVER IT.

[laundry_queen]

27. I doubt he'd be the VP right now.

He'd be the president. Since he was (is?) part of the PNAC I have no doubt that Lieberman being VP was part of the PNAC's back up plan. We'd have suffered through an assasinated Gore (with everyone saying, see? he was elected in a year that ended in 0!) and President Lieberman leading the US into exactly what they are IN right now. :tinfoilhat:

[Wilhelm Klink Reich]

31. That theory

at least explains his presence on the ticket

[elehhhhna]

35. you finally make a point I can agree with.

[bigwillq]

38. I wouldn't have supported a LIEberman

run for presidency had Gore won. I would've threw my support behind another DEM nominee. I never liked Joe and thought it was a poor choice by Gore.