villager
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Aug-10-06 12:18 PM
Original message |
what will they say about the *techniques* used by Scotland Yard |
|
to seemingly foil this apparent plot?
That may be key to the spin-- for both sides. Did they use techniques that approximated the additional police state tactics desired by the fascists here?
Or were they restrained in the "powers" they had, but cracked the case using old-fashioned intelligence, infiltration, etc.? Was there massive NSA-style electronic eavesdropping involved? Specific, targeted surveillance?
These facts may be critical for how both the libertarian left and the totalitarian right construct narratives in the aftermath....
|
sgxnk
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Aug-10-06 12:24 PM
Response to Original message |
|
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 12:24 PM by sgxnk
the libertarian right and the totalitarian left... construct
i like to read all sides
fwiw, england has (in many respects) much less strict restrictions :) on police intel gathering than the US does, in a de jure and a de facto reality
they have incredibly extensive video surveillance conducted by police throughout london (and other areas).
they have no exclusionary rule (in usa civilian lenforcement, improperly obtained evidence is subject to fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine)
they have no 1st amendment protection against self-incrimination (in british law, failure to give an account on one's behalf after arrest CAN be used against you)
and generally speaking (this is a broad topic) they have more extensive search and seizure powers
they also have more involvement of the military within their borders for internal security (and not just in so called northern ireland)
|
villager
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Aug-10-06 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #1 |
4. the Repubs may be gleeful about getting more video surveillance |
|
on us...
But didn't Parliament recently push back against Blair on a proposed expansion of police powers?
|
elehhhhna
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Aug-10-06 12:58 PM
Response to Original message |
2. DUH. They tortured everybody in bloody olde England. |
villager
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Thu Aug-10-06 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #2 |
3. right! So we obviously need to do that here. Starting w/ Lamont voters! |
DU
AdBot (1000+ posts) |
Thu Apr 25th 2024, 05:29 AM
Response to Original message |