Marr
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Thu Jan-19-06 08:18 PM
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I wonder how Freepers will feel when a Dem is the "Unitary Executive". |
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I wonder, Freeps- will you still feel comfortable with warrantless searches...? With a President who can declare you an "ememy combatant" and have you locked up on a whim? Will you still clap for the idea that the President is above the law?
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Thu Jan-19-06 08:23 PM
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1. Well, since any Dem will have to run on a . . . |
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"I'm not at all like the lately deposed King George . . ." there will be less opportunity to exercise the limitless power of a unitary executive.
I'd proposed killing them with kindness, as in, "Yes, they're deranged and unhappy losers, but since this is America, they get to queep and prattle with the best of 'em."
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Thu Jan-19-06 08:33 PM
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2. What makes you think King George will ever let a Democrat in the |
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WH again? Perpetual war = perpetual king. Cancel the elections.
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Thu Jan-19-06 08:34 PM
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3. Maybe we should let them change things into a quasi-fascist |
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state with a big exception, open and transparent elections. So when we take over, they can get a dose of their own medicine. It may be the only way to reverse the damage done by King George.
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Thu Jan-19-06 08:39 PM
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4. Not to diss your post, but who has bush locked up as an |
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"enemy combatant" in this country besides padilla? From a historically perspective Unitary Executive has been used by almost every President rethug and Democratic http://law.vanderbilt.edu/faculty/pubs/yoo-unitaryexecinmodernera.pdfhttp://law.vanderbilt.edu/faculty/pubs/yoo-unitaryexecduringsecondhalfcentury.pdfOf course we are talking about bush, so all bets are off the table, but this issue will not get the traction if it has been used for 100 years
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Thu Jan-19-06 09:17 PM
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8. Just a little disclosure here on the authors of your linked articles |
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Steven G. Calabresi co-founded The Federalist Society and serves as the Chairman of the Society’s Board of Directors. Speechwriter to Vice President Dan Quayle, White House, 1990; law clerk, Hon. Antonin Scalia, U.S. Supreme Court, 1987-88; law clerk, Hon. Robert H. Bork, U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, 1984-85
Christopher S. Yoo lists Chief Justice John G. Roberts as one of his references on his CV (not surprising as they have both been associated with same international law firm, Hogan & Hartson)
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Thu Jan-19-06 08:39 PM
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5. There will not be another Democratic president |
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Edited on Thu Jan-19-06 08:41 PM by 0rganism
That is part and parcel of the whole bargain. The crimes the bush regime has committed are so vast and despicable that they simply cannot afford to have them ever brought to light. A Democratic president, indeed, even a Democratic congress, might be inclined to do that. So, prior to installing the "unitary executive", the Republicans ensured that they have * majority control of the newsmedia * majority control of the voting machines * majority control of the congress * majority control of the Supreme Court
That much is basic to establishing the Unitary Executive in the first place, as any of them could damage either the Unitariness or the Executableness or both. Which is why as a direct corrollary of the Unitary Executive interpretation, we will never see another Democrat in the presidency again.
This process is a one-way street.
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Thu Jan-19-06 09:49 PM
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9. That's spot on. Why else would they continue breaking every freakin' law |
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known to man? They break one law, deny, move on, break another law, deny, move on, break another law, deny, move on....there's a REASON they don't stop breaking the law! First, they know damn good and well this congress will NEVER investigate them. 2. They know they own the election process. 3. They know FOR A FACT that no Democrat will EVER be the president of this country again. 4. They know they will NEVER pay for all the crimes committed. 5. Their corporate buddies own the propaganda networks and they will continue to shill for the repukes. FOREVER..LOOK at CNN! 6. They have stacked the courts with their RW fundie nut job judges and even when one of their RW fundie nut job judges rules against them (Terri Schiavo, FL. judge) they just ignore him and he's painted as an "activist judge" too. 7. The KICKER is the NSA wiretapping. They have wiretapped every member of congress and every journalist with any clout. They have garbage on every last one of them. They will NEVER speak out against this regime. 8. IF a journalist should lose his mind and speak truth to power, he'll just be killed. Who the hell is going investigate it? Think, "David Rosenbaum." They have covered all their angles over the last 30-40 years. We are so screwed.
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Fri Jan-20-06 01:43 AM
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10. I think it started further back, with the Kennedy assasination |
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Up to that point, even the authoritarians (not all republicans, they used to be much more moderate) were trying to work within the system. Sure, they'd drag people in front of the HUAC and ruin their careers, but it was within the system and the system was able to compensate. Then from '63 on, we have the JFK assasination, the onset of Goldwater (who'd still be a moderate by today's standards), the RFK assasination, the MLK assasination, the "Southern Strategy" (which consolidated the republican party as we know it today), and then more of Nixon's hardball politics. They'd already done a bang-up job of taking out the big-name liberals using criminal methods, but then they got caught. Ford and then Carter were significant setbacks, but they learned, and in 1980 they got to work on the media.
If we ever hope to unscrew ourselves, we have to start with the media.
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Thu Jan-19-06 08:40 PM
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6. That's the best proof they're rigging elections: They're sure they'll |
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always be in office. They know it.
Nothing is safe until we get free, open elections.
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Fri Jan-20-06 01:48 AM
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12. paper trail voting, liberal TV news, and free political airtime |
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Thu Jan-19-06 08:41 PM
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7. Those for the constitution breach may feel different if a dem spies on gun |
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owning militia members.
Then we'll hear them cry and whine and moan and groan about their constitutional rights to Rushbo and Michael "Savage" Wiener.
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Fri Jan-20-06 01:46 AM
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11. they know we just make-nice and try to cooperate, no worries |
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:mad: except the neocons have a prison mentality and see civility as a weakness that must be exploited.
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