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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:27 PM
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Did anyone question this?
Why was the foiled terror act going to take place in the UK?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:28 PM
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1. One of many GOOD questions...
Lot of muslims in the good old USA.....
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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:36 PM
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2. would you please elaborate a bit more
It just confuses me, out of all the places in the world, why the UK?

After the bombing that took place in the London train station, Security has been tightened everywhere, and extremely tightened in the airport. They have well-equipped police monitoring their airports all the time. Surely those terrorists would have known that before planning such a plot?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:40 PM
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3. the US and UK are the ones slaughtering people in Iraq
that is, of course, assuming that this "plot" even existed
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:43 PM
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4. yes, the 'plot' exists. deep six for many more of us to come.
that is if there's time or resources for traditional burials.
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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:04 PM
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8. meaning? n/t
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:05 PM
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9. as in burial plots. nt
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:44 PM
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12. Because there are a lot of fundamentalist Muslims
in the UK. Extremist Muslim groups have been around in the UK since before 9/11, but 9/11 and the Iraq war have made them more active. Groups like Hizbut Ha'tir and Al Mahajaroun and others whose names I can't think of right now use universities as recruiting grounds and have been doing so for years.

I graduated from Bradford University in Yorkshire in 2003, a British university with a Muslim population nearing 20% in a city with a Muslim population nearing that percentage as well. There were already anti-American feelings there before 9/11, and also groups locally promoting an "Islamic Britain". After 9/11, I saw "Taliban will kill you all" carved into desk tops in lecture halls and "Jihad against America" spray painted on buildings near the university.

Unrest among British Muslims is nothing new.
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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:55 PM
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13. Of course there are
There are always going to be haters as well as crazy people around the world. But do you think they're capable of carrying such attacks, and why the airport? Do they always believe that people that fly planes are their worst enemies?
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:40 PM
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14. Yes, I think "they" are capable - whoever "they" are.
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 01:34 PM by tenshi816
Honestly, it's like chasing a bloody ghost, don't you think? Nobody knows for sure exactly who the bad guys are anymore, and it's even highly likely that some of the so-called "good guys" are bad guys, if you see what I mean (and I think you do).

I wish I had an answer about "why the airport". Another poster brought that up as well, asking why terrorists seem to be focused on the air. Maybe it's because they're banking on airport security becoming lax after a long time without an incident, and I believe there's certainly something to that. Just a few months ago I flew from Manchester (England) to Calgary with a nail file in my handbag. That's not supposed to happen, right? I know it's a minor thing, but still...

The last couple of times I've been to the States, security has seemed more for show than anything else. Maybe I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but it's certainly a perception I've had.

Maybe the focus being once again on planes is because the fifth 9/11 anniversary is coming up soon.

I'll tell you what makes me much more uneasy than planes in the UK: trains. Virtually everybody uses the railways in Britain. A few weeks ago I was travelling from Leeds to Sheffield late on a Friday afternoon (about an hour, with stops). The train's final destination was Plymouth, way down in Devon from Leeds, and it was a long train - lots of carriages - absolutely heaving with passengers and their luggage. My two sons and I couldn't even get into a carriage where the seats were - the carriages were all full, as was all the standing room in them, and we were stuck in the area between carriages where the toilets are, packed in like sardines with loads of other people. We literally couldn't move anywhere else. Now, bearing in mind that there are no security checks of any kind before you board a train in Britain, it would be easy for a suicide bomber to wreak major havoc on a jam-packed commuter train, killing hundreds of people in the explosion and subsequent derailment (damn, I'm a regular "Little Mary Sunshine", aren't I?). It's only a matter of time - I mean, surely I'm not the only person whose mind this thought has crossed. So, my question is: why has this never been addressed by the powers-that-be? There's all this focus on air travel, but none on another mode of transport thousands of people in Britain use every single day.

Having said all that, though, I've gotta say that the British don't as a rule live in fear of terrorists. It's got to do with being bombed relentlessly during WWII followed by years of living with bombs and the threat of bombs from the IRA. I remember once asking my mother-in-law how her family coped with the constant bombing during the Second World War and, in her understated way, she replied "well, we just had to get on with it, didn't we dear?". I took her words to heart. Over the years I lost count of the number of times I was evacuated from trains and train stations because of IRA bomb threats. Eventually my fear turned to annoyance.

The current situation has slowed people down, but they're not cancelling their flights en masse and staying away from the airports. They're just, as my MIL said, "getting on with it".

Edited to add that if you're really curious about why Muslim terrorists would target Britain, you might want to read up on the history surrounding the partitioning of India in 1947 when it achieved independence from Britain. That was when the country of Pakistan was created, and also when the doors to the UK were opened to the citizens of those countries for mass immigration.

The UK is a tiny country with about 60 million residents; about 50 million of those live in England, which is roughly the size of Georgia (the US state). Roughly 1 in 30 residents of the UK are Muslim. Most have assimilated; some haven't. Some were, and have now decided they don't want to be anymore. Add to all that the idiots like those in the British National Party. We're a melting pot here, and it's boiling. And no one knows what to do about it. We all have the right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but we also have the right to freedom from religion and the reasonable expectation not to be blown up because we don't subscribe to a particular view.
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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:56 PM
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5. Also
Assuming there was a plot to be taken place in the UK, why target the airport again? Can't terrorists come up with newer ideas?
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FearofFutility Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:59 PM
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6. The planes were headed to America
presumably filled mostly with Americans. :shrug:
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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:22 PM
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11. sort of hard to believe n/t
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pointblank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:03 PM
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7. The way I see it
is that even though the MSM and the govt is saying that this has the hallmarks of Al-Qaeda, in relity this was a splinter group, possibly inspired, but not necessarily ordered or controlled by one central group...with that in mind, these guys just happened to be living in the UK and decided to strike close to home...in other words its the path with the least resistance.

If some idiots decides they are going to strike in the US, it will probably be because they live in the US...or Spain...or France etc. etc.

Thats just my opinion, Ive been wrong before.

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evox Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:10 PM
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10. According to the news
they are British born; so if they wanted to hurt their own fellow British citizens, surely they would know of better ways to harm them without having to blow up planes and what not. Could they not have simply just blown up their own neighborhoods instead? If they are suicidal like they're supposed to be, it shouldn't really matter where they strike should it?
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:20 PM
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15. Brutal British Colonialism?
That seems to be a constant theme running through political Islam -western, primarily British and American, colonialism.
There are lots of people in this world who grew up listening to their older relatives stories of British brutality and arrogance. Lots of people who grew up at at the butt end of the empire during its sunset years.
Bitter people have long memories. Sometimes their children carry those memories too.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 01:36 PM
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16. It's a complicated issue,
but you're not wrong.
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