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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:25 PM
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Blair still swears the Niger documents proved to be forgeries are real
http://www.sundayherald.com/35264

Niger and Iraq: the war's biggest lie?

<snip>Some time after the Iraqi ambassador's trip to Niger, the Italian intelligence service came into possession of forged documents claiming Saddam was after Niger uranium. We now know these documents were passed to MI6 and then handed by the British to the office of US Vice-President Dick Cheney . The forgeries were then used by Bush and Blair to scare the British and Americans and to box both Congress and Parliament into supporting war. There are an increasing number of claims suggesting Bush and Blair knew these documents were forged when they used them as evidence that Saddam Hussein was putting together a nuclear arsenal.

The truth behind claims that Blair's government 'sexed up' intelligence reports that Saddam could mobilise weapons of mass destruction in 45 minutes may never be known, but the Niger forgeries lie like a smoking gun covered in Britain's fingerprints. At some point Tony Blair is going to have to answer questions about what the British government and MI6 were up to.

The fact that the documents were forged matters less than the purpose to which they were put. On September 24, 2002, Blair's dossier Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government said: 'There is intelligence that Iraq has sought the supply of significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Iraq has no active civil nuclear power programme of nuclear power plants and, therefore, has no legitimate reason to acquire uranium.'

<snip>Foreign Secretary Jack Straw says the Niger uranium claim was based on 'reliable evidence', which was not shared with the US. Although the Foreign Affairs Select Committee hasn't seen the evidence either, Straw told its chairman, Donald Anderson, the 'good reasons' for withholding the intelligence from the US in a private session. Blair won't say why the information is being kept under wraps , but he tells the nation there is no reason to doubt its credibility.

Foreign Office minister Mike O'Brien said on June 10 that all relevant information on Iraqi WMDs had been sent to weapons inspectors -- but less than a month later he was contradicted by another Foreign Office minister, Denis MacShane, saying the UK didn't give the IAEA any information on Iraq seeking uranium. One senior western diplomat told the Sunday Herald: 'There were more than 20 anomalies in the Niger documents -- it is staggering any intelligence service could have believed they were genuine for a moment.

'I know that the IAEA told Britain and America, two weeks before El Baradei made his statement to the UN in March, that the documents were forgeries, that the IAEA was going to publicly state the documents were faked. At that point, the IAEA gave them a chance -- they asked the US and UK if they had any other evidence to back up the claim apart from the Niger forgeries. Britain and America should have reacted with shock and horror when they found that the documents were fake -- but they did nothing, and there was no attempt to dissuade the IAEA from its course of action.

'The IAEA had said it would follow up any other evidence pointing towards a Niger connection . If the UK and US had had such evidence they could have forwarded it and shut the IAEA up -- El Baradei would never have gone public if that had happened. My analysis is that Britain has no other credible evidence.' The source added: 'The weapons inspectors have friends in the CIA and the State Department . They made sure the documents made their way to the IAEA as they knew fine well they'd be exposed as forgeries.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:28 PM
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1. Blair's ass is on the line and must parrot Bush to keep the story straight
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:33 PM
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2. You can tell the cabal is falling to bits
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 08:34 PM by C_U_L8R
cause none of the dots are even close
to connecting anymore... these crooks
are hurling everything in the air
in hope that it might divert more scrutiny.

I think the world is pretty tired of that stunt.

They are falling apart.
Thank goodness.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:43 PM
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6. They have been caught in so many lies, that nobody but a fool...
would still trust of believe them. Now if the terrorists really do strike nobody will believe the government and the disaster will be made worse, just like the ineptitude during Katrina, led to a far worse situation than it SHOULD have been. Criminal Cronyism...is a more accurate description of what we've seen than "Culture of Corruption"...
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:36 PM
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3. On the "sexed-up" intel, remember...
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 08:37 PM by reichstag911
...David Kelly, who revealed it, IIRC, and who subsequently "killed himself" at Harrowdown Hill.

From the Thom Yorke album, The Eraser:

Harrowdown Hill

Don't walk the plank like I did
You will be dispensed with
When you've become inconvenient
In the harrowdown hill
Where you went to school
That's where I am
That's where I'm lying down

Did I fall or was I pushed?
Did I fall or was I pushed?
And where's the blood?
And where's the blood?


I'm coming home
I'm coming home
To make it all right
So dry your eyes

We think the same things at the same time
We just cant do anything about it

So don't ask me
Ask the ministry
Don't ask me
Ask the ministry

We think the same things at the same time
There are so many of us
So you can't count

We think the same things at the same time
There are too many of us
So you can't count

Can you see me when I'm running?
Can you see me when I'm running?
Away from them

I can't take their pressure
No one cares if you live or die
They just want me gone
They want me gone

I'm coming home
I'm coming home
To make it all right
So dry your eyes

We think the same things at the same time
We just cant do anything about it

We think the same things at the same time
There are too many of us
So you can't count

It was a slippery slippery slippery slope
It was a slippery slippery slippery slope
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:39 PM
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4. I guess it's the "if you tell the same lie enough it becomes truth" theory
Unfortunately for Blair, the "fool me once" paradigm applies now.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:41 PM
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5. My, my, is der poodle a touch delusional?
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:47 PM
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7. No
He's a bloody great deal delusional.

Of course, it helps that noone with any sense over here pays attention to what he says
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:59 PM
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8. He just needs some pet meds! nt
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:05 PM
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9. Heck!!!1 -----------*I'll* kick THIS!!!!!!!1 n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:58 AM
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10. "Still"? This story is dated 13 July 2003
Yes, Blair is a jerk, but do stories over 3 years old really tell us much about what Blair currently claims or believes?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:17 AM
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11. See if you can locate a source where he denies it after 2003
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 05:20 AM by NNN0LHI
You won't find one.

Don
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:41 AM
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12. To be accurate, they weren't claiming the documents were real in the piece
from 2003 you gave us:

Blair, however, continues to defend the allegation, claiming the UK has separate intelligence -- or 'non-documentary evidence' -- to back up the Niger claim, proving Britain wasn't solely reliant on the forgeries.


He claims there is other evidence, but we've never been shown it. The Butler Inquiry accepted this, though again without telling us what the 'other intelligence' was:

Nuclear watchdog the International Atomic Energy Agency, had subsequently said some documents supporting the uranium claim were forgeries.

But Lord Butler said the government had intelligence from "several different sources".

"The forged documents were not available to the British government at the time its assessment was made and so the fact of the forgery does not undermine it," the report said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3894093.stm
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:49 AM
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13. You forgot this part
>>>'I know that the IAEA told Britain and America, two weeks before El Baradei made his statement to the UN in March, that the documents were forgeries, that the IAEA was going to publicly state the documents were faked. At that point, the IAEA gave them a chance -- they asked the US and UK if they had any other evidence to back up the claim apart from the Niger forgeries. Britain and America should have reacted with shock and horror when they found that the documents were fake -- but they did nothing, and there was no attempt to dissuade the IAEA from its course of action.<<<

The Blair government had a chance to disavow the forgeries. They chose not to. They still haven't to this day. And you can't find anything that said they ever did. Can you?

Don
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:38 AM
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17. And you can't find him swearing they are real, can you?
If they didn't attempt to dissuade the IAEA, that implies they accepted the forgeries were forgeries, doesn't it?

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:04 AM
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14. Bush*, Cheney and other Republicans still say that if we hadn't gotten
Saddam he would have used his WMDs on us also. There standard reply is aren't you glad Saddam is gone as if that fact alone makes everything okay. I believe we could have used the UN and just made an arrest without invading. I think we could have just sent a delegation to Iraq and issued an arrest warrant. Or the World Court could have tried him in abstensia. A lot more could have been done without invading and occupying Iraq.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:19 AM
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15. No lie
It all could of been handled so much better.
Even if Saddam's sons were nasty pieces of work, it bothered me when they got whacked and the freepers celebrated. I thought they could have gassed them and brought them to justice.
I know who has the WMD's - it is dubya and the whole world is not safe.
:dem:
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:32 AM
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16. Michael Ledeen has the answers
I had a thread a year or so ago where I was searching for answers about Michael. The thread was dumped into the basement and I eventually gave it up when it got real deep.
I found out that there were many involved in the 911 truth movement who were trying to derail the search for truth. When I got to the de- population connections, I got scared.

dubby and the gang like death and destruction and any lies to push their agenda is no problem.

Blair- ditto, but he must be shaking in his boots for dealing with his master - dubya
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