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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:46 PM
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Bush reads Camus's 'The Stranger' on ranch vacation
US President George W. Bush quoted French existential writer Albert Camus to European leaders a year and a half ago, and now he's read one of his most famous works: "The Stranger."

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Friday that Bush, here on his Texas ranch enjoying a 10-day vacation from Washington, had made quick work of the Algerian-born writer's 1946 novel -- in English.

The US president, often spoofed as an intellectual lightweight, quoted Camus in a February 21, 2005 speech in Brussels praising the US-Europe alliance and urging other nations to help Washington spread democracy in the world.

more…
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/11/060811231406.rsxjfr54.html
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:47 PM
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1. I'm sorry but I find this hilarious.
I doubt if he has the vocabulary to read even the English translation.
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:22 AM
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62. Don't be sorry. I nearly spat out my coffee this morning.
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 07:52 AM by Sugar Smack
I wonder which one of his handlers suggested this to him. Whoever it was that was trying to "help" him improve his Gumpish image with that particular pamphlet must really hate him. He should read "The Plague" instead, or maybe "The Myth of Sisyphus".

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

CAMUS! BWAAAAAH!
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:48 PM
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2. does it come in comic book format? n/t
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LordLovesAWorkingMan Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:50 PM
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3. probably reading the 'murkin-talkin' version
translated by that good ol' sumbitch Larry the Cable Guy.

$20 says he HAS a copy but isn't reading it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:51 PM
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4. I don't believe this for one second. He couldn't possibly understand it.
God, I never thought I'd hear Camus and Bush in the same sentence. He even dirties Camus.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:51 PM
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5. LOL!
:rofl:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:53 PM
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8. My sentiments ...
... exactly!

:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:28 PM
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33. Somebody in the communications office is having too much fun.
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 10:29 PM by sfexpat2000
Next week, "Pericles, Prince of Tyre" and for odd moments, "The Wasteland".

:rofl:

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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:31 AM
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64. BWAAHAHA!! "The Wasteland". Good one!
:rofl: Nothing like a little TS Eliot to make a cowboy's head explode.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:07 PM
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24. Yeah, he "made quick work" of it, no less.
Bush: "Eh, Condi, Karl said I'm s'posed ta read this book so the Murkan people think I'm smart. How about tellin' me what it's about? And find some words from the book ta put in my next speech so they think I read it."
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:52 PM
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6. Maybe next he'll read The Plague
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:52 PM
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7. interesting
reading a novel about a man who is incapable of remorse

too droll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stranger_(novel)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:58 AM
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94. that was my thought
He could have been reading his own autobiography, or Rumsfeld's. Did he read it as an instruction manual? Is "The Stranger" a role model?
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:54 PM
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9. Bush ... had made quick work of the Algerian-born writer's 1946 novel
I'm sure he did. I'd love to hear him discuss the book.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:09 AM
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89. by "quick work," they mean target practice, of course
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 11:26 AM by oxbow
Oh, hes reading it.... he reading it right between the eyes.

Camus: Wanted Dead or Alive :nuke:
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:55 PM
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10. Will they PLEASE stop trying to make this asswipe an intelekshul?
NO ONE falls for this shit. He's just now getting around to The Stranger? Most of us read it in high school or college English. And we understood it better then than he ever will. Jesus.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:47 PM
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104. Yes, that's where I read it as assigned reading in high school.n/t
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:56 PM
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11. Oh please! Give me a break.
I doubt seriously he could manage the Cliffs Notes version.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:56 PM
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12. Bush reads Camus? I didn't know Camus wrote a book about goats.
I doubt he could even get through a Cliff's Notes version of "The Stranger." And I bet he pronounces the author's name like "Kay-muss."

Bush reads Camus -- my ass.
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:02 PM
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15. Ha ha! We are in sync.
Exact same thought at exact same time! :hi:

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:56 PM
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13. Notice the propaganda - it says "often 'spoofed' as..."
Not 'often ridiculed as' or 'often pointed out as' or 'often said to be an', but "spoofed as".

As though every person who has ever talked about his "intellectual incapacity" was obviously and merely joking, just a spoof, a gag.

And, even if the Chief Asshole War Criminal of Human History did quote Camus, I think we can all rest most assured that it was only because one of his speechwriters put it in, not because of Fuckstick's initiative.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:03 PM
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16. there is a "camus for dummies"?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:56 PM
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38. Nice point Epistemology for Dummies
It is often said he is a turtle on a post.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:44 AM
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83. IIRC, "The History of Salt" was on his reading list last summer...
...there were a few others that escape me, but I don't believe that he reads...just logistically. Spends so much time 'clearing brush' and exercising when he's not fundraising and ducking grieving relatives, tucked into beddy-bye by 9:30...when does he have time to crack a real book?
He doesn't even pay attention to the PDBs...and they're read to him, fer cryin' out loud!
:rofl:
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:59 PM
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14. Isn't that special...
Bush reading existentialists.. Whooda thunk it. How in the hell did he graduate from "My Pet Goat" to the Stranger? Must be getting pointers on how to make his presidency a more Kafkaesque experience.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:03 PM
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17. Just the headline made me chuckle,
Please! Huckleberry Finn reads Camus, indeed! :eyes: I was certain the article would be a "spoof." O
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:04 PM
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18. Never read the book, but I'm familiar with Robert Smith's adaptation
Standing on the beach
With a gun in my hand
Staring at the sea
Staring at the sand
Staring down the barrel
At the arab on the ground
I can see his open mouth
But I hear no sound

I'm alive
I'm dead
I'm the stranger
Killing an arab

I can turn
And walk away
Or I can fire the gun
Staring at the sky
Staring at the sun
Whichever I chose
It amounts to the same
Absolutely nothing

I'm alive
I'm dead
I'm the stranger
Killing an arab

I feel the steel butt jump
Smooth in my hand
Staring at the sea
Staring at the sand
Staring at myself
Reflected in the eyes
Of the dead man on the beach
The dead man on the beach

I'm alive
I'm dead
I'm the stranger
Killing an arab


Chimpy likes killing Arabs. I guess that fits.


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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:15 PM
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27. The Cure??
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:04 PM
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19. Taken on face value, "The Stranger" is easy reading...
Simple declarative sentences.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:05 PM
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20. Perhaps he should try "Animal Farm" next...
:evilgrin:
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:05 PM
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21. "Maman died today"
One of the most famous lines in literature.(No Fucking Way he read this book)
He is no Existentialist

Existentialism is a philosophical movement that is generally considered a study that pursues meaning in existence and seeks value for the existing individual. Existentialism, unlike other fields of philosophy, does not treat the individual as a concept, and values individual subjectivity over objectivity. As a result, questions regarding the meaning of life and subjective experience are seen as being of paramount importance, above all other scientific and philosophical pursuits. Existentialism often is associated with anxiety, dread, awareness of death, and freedom. Famous existentialists include Sartre, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Camus.

The book in a short synopsis is as follows
The main character Meursault:

The narrator and main character of the narrative,
he is the driving force behind Camus' examination of the Absurd.
He, like the author, does not believe in God

and comes to the realization that one must struggle against and with the Absurd
in order to create meaning in a meaningless world.

He leads a highly indifferent life through much of the book,
reveling in the physical impulses which made him happy such as swimming and sex and smoking.

The second half of the book turns the man who does not judge into the judged
as the reader watches him indicted for the crime

of not giving into society's code of morals or sense of fate and the divine.
The ridiculousness of the trial and his reaction to it allows him
to finally transcend its symbolic imprisonment

and free himself for a life beyond what society could offer him.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:38 AM
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61. As they say, Nietszsche is peachy but
Sartre is smarter.

;-)
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:05 PM
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111. I Kant Take It!
I just Kant take any more of these puns!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:29 AM
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63. Like Prince Charles, that is Smirko's favorite line.
Great summary of existentialism and the book, IChing. The thing that stands out for me about existentialism is that one must be aware that he or she is thinking in order to do any real thinking. Like the sociopathic solipsist he is, Bush has never shown a sign that he is awake.

Where's a Bodhisattva when you need one?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:05 PM
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22. he READS!!
:wow:
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:13 AM
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76. I want to see a book report ON MY DESK at 9 am
tomorrow sharp! :rofl:
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:20 AM
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78. ...and no crayon!! nt
nt
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:23 AM
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79. "Yes, Miss Sugar." President of these mighty, United States of America...
trundles off beneath a black cloud of morose, and abject hopelessness no longer smiling but rather, yet again, a tear is seen forming for all the wrong reasons...yet again :cry:

:rofl:
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:06 PM
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23. tell me another EOM
,
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:11 PM
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25. Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S. the August 6th memo from 2001
The following is a transcript of the August 6, 2001, presidential daily briefing entitled Bin Laden determined to strike in US. Parts of the original document were not made public by the White House for security reasons.

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate bin Laden since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."

After U.S. missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, bin Laden told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a -- -- service.

An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told - - service at the same time that bin Laden was planning to exploit the operative's access to the U.S. to mount a terrorist strike.

The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of bin Laden's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the U.S.

Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that in ---, Laden lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own U.S. attack.

Ressam says bin Laden was aware of the Los Angeles operation. Although Bin Laden has not succeeded, his attacks against the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Laden associates surveyed our embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.

Al Qaeda members -- including some who are U.S. citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the U.S. for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks.

Two al-Qaeda members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were U.S. citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.

A clandestine source said in 1998 that a bin Laden cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.

We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a ---- service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:13 PM
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26. I bet he won't read Camus' "The Just Assassins"
Last line from the play...

"You start off wanting justice, and you end up forming a police force."

J
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:17 PM
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28. That's the book the gay French NASCAR racer reads in new film.
Just saw Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby. Will Farrell plays NASCAR hero, Ricky Bobby and his nemesis is a gay French race driver who listens to jazz instead of country, flaunts his husband in the face of stunned NASCAR sports commentators, and is shown reading "L'Etranger" while racing. (The movie drags in spots, but was worth it just for the intense, loooong mouth to mouth kiss between Ferrell and the French driver - and thinking about how all the NASCAR fans who come to see the movie will react to it!)

Some posit that Camus' most significant contribution to philosophy was his notion of the absurd. It makes sense that a comedian like Ferrell would therefore choose a Camus book. One wonders whether some sarcastic wag in the White House selected this book when told to spin the public that Bush was doing some serious reading on his vacation. Camus was also a member of the Communist party and a pacifist - hardly someone Bush should brag about reading to his fundie base.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:37 PM
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47. Talladega Nights
That was one of the funniest scenes in the movie.

The dashing, flamboyant French dude who is so unpressured and relaxed during his challenge of Ricky Bobby that he can sip macchiatos and read Camus while muscling for rank at 180 mph.

Chimpy probably watched that scene and decided-- "Hey, I can do that!"

He's the Decider, after all.

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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:58 PM
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100. Now we know why he chose that book.
I didn't think he would browse a bookstore or log on and find a reading list, deciding that it sounded like something he should read.

He chose it only because it was referenced in a recent movie. (I wouldn't have known that-no money to go to the movies.)
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:08 PM
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106. Now we know why!
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 11:13 PM by silverweb
I just saw the movie this evening with my kids and we laughed so hard we hurt. The second I saw L'Etranger in Jean Girard's hand, I knew why georgie decided to claim he's reading it currently!

I also understand now why the fundies have their panties in a wad about this movie. The irreverent spoofing is continuous and is just too much fun!

:rofl:

BTW, Jean Girard is played by British comedian, Sacha Baron Cohen, who I'd never heard of before, but is incredibly talented and funny. We saw previews for his new movie, Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan, and it looks like one not to be missed.

We also saw previews for the new Robin Williams movie this fall, Man of the Year, in which he plays a Jon Stewart-like comedy host who runs for president. It looks hilarious and wonderful in that special Robin Williams blend.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:19 PM
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29. maybe he's thinking about war crimes
you know it's on his mind...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/08/10/white_house_proposes_retroactive_war_crimes_protection/

White House proposes retroactive war crimes protection

Moves to shield policy makers

By Pete Yost, Associated Press | August 10, 2006

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration drafted amendments to the War Crimes Act that would retroactively protect policy makers from possible criminal charges for authorizing any humiliating and degrading treatment of detainees, according to lawyers who have seen the proposal.

more...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:21 PM
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30. Metamorphosis suits him better.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:22 PM
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31. Uh oh...Robert Smith wrote "Killing an Arab" after reading "L'etranger"
But Smith was a songwriter...


What will Bush do???

:scared:
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:22 AM
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68. Wasn't "Killing an Arab" the original/intended title of the book?
I vaguely remember hearing something like that when Camus was forced on us by an overly zealous high school teacher.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:24 AM
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80. yes--a title immortalized later by The Cure in their first album.
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 09:34 AM by librechik
you can't read a book like that nowadays without a professor to help out, and perhaps a little knowledge of French and the culture of Morocco. Is Pickles helping?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:27 PM
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32. I'm not sure why I invaded Iraq. The gun was in my hand and the sun....
was hot. There was one missile attack, and then two more followed quickly.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:30 PM
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34. "Christmas won't be Christmas without any payloads."
:rofl:
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:32 PM
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35. Maybe he is reading the Classic Comic Book verision of the 'The Stranger'
Funniest thing I have read in a long time.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:46 PM
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36. Or watching the Camus Puppet Theatre.
Maybe he could handle that, if it didn't go longer than 10-15 minutes and they brought him some popcorn and Jack Daniels.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:49 PM
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37. Camus Puppet Theatre!
:rofl:

ouch

:rofl:
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:07 PM
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39. The only thing Bush reads is a menu. n/t
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:09 PM
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41. You really think he can read that much?
I was thinking more like "My Pet Goat."
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:08 PM
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40. How about "The Fall"
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:10 PM
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42. Camus wrote about goats?
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:11 PM
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43. He was going to read Spencer's The Faerie Queene, but he didn't want
to read any gay novels
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:17 PM
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46. Especially after Laura caught him with The Arcadia. lol
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:12 PM
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44. I expect a comprehensive book report at the end of his vacation
None of that "Cliff Notes" nonsense. And it has to be in his own handwriting, too.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:04 AM
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50. "But, I did read it with Condi and I have the book to prove it"
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:15 PM
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45. Unka Dick, Unka Dick...
Why'd the nice man have to go to jail for killin' an Ay-rab? He was just doin' his patriotic duty. Why, if I were president of Al-jeerya, I'd give him a Presidential Medal of Freedom!
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:46 PM
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48. If they claim he reads Kafka
I'll puke.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:55 PM
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49. You're going to wait?
lol

:)
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:12 AM
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51. I'll take a different view here on this topic. One of hope...
I read Camus for the first time as a Junior in High School and I still rank his book, La Peste (The Plague, I read the translation) as one of the most influential life changing moments for me. I was not the same person as I had been for 17 years after I finished that book and I still am not.

Perhaps Bush will find something in the text that leads him on a path to discover a different world within his own conscious and a life that may be more fruitful and useful.

For all of you depressing cynics out there, I think that if Camus was still alive today, he'd be rejoicing at the idea that perhaps a tyrant may be moved by words to change his views on life and duty to the world. I think it is a beautiful thing and maybe I'm too much of an optimist, but I hope that a few of the words will reach beyond Bush's everyday life and into the center of his being. If Camus can change me, it could change Bush...(granted he's not a 17 year old conservative living in the mid 90's, but...) this does give me some level of hope.

And isn't that what Camus is about? Realizing that there is the potential in all humans to change and better themselves when faced with adversity?
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:46 AM
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52. everything you are saying is based on an actual ability to both read
and comprehend, something most of us believe is lacking in chimpy's world.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:58 AM
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53. Do you think that Bush has a consciousness to
have philosophical let alone an existentialistic examination of Camus' observation of the absurd ?

It would blow his mind.

He doesn't even understand irony.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:44 AM
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56. You're expecting anything like that from Bush?
If he had any capability of understanding don't you think we'd have seen it by now? Potential for change? Not for the better from this one. He's still the same spoiled brat who used to blow up frogs with fire crackers and shoot his brothers with his pellet gun. Only now he's blowing up other countries and watching our sons and daughters get shot. With the same glee that he carried out executions in Texas.

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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:31 AM
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69. Well now, that WOULD be the best-case scenario.
I am one of your "depressing cynics" whose assumption is that if Bush can't see what he's done with his own eyes, he'll never internalize the meaning of such a book. It is a step up from tantrums about not wanting to hear "bad news", granted. And I do appreciate your optimism. It's a different POV than most of us have.

:pals:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:00 PM
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101. Extremely Doubtful. The dude's a sociopath.
From wikipedia:

Ultimately, Camus presents the world as essentially meaningless and therefore, the only way to arrive at any meaning or purpose is to make it oneself. Thus it is the individual and not the act that gives meaning to any given context.

What gives *'s life meaning? Seeing people die of course. :puke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stranger_%28novel%29

I also found these snips from a link in the wiki article above to be quite telling:

"While this analysis is persuasive, I'd be more inclined to say that Camus has "caught the fundamental traits of modern" alienation or even nihilism---that moral standards are meaningless, that personal responsibility for one's actions takes second place to expedience, that social cohesion is unimportant, and that, finally, nothing matters but one's own pleasure."

<snip>

"Perhaps it "didn't matter" because Meursault can see only the pseudo-objective "absurdity" of man's place in the universe. But it does matter, very much, to Meursault's own character and to the very fabric of the society that makes human life possible, human life as opposed to the animal life that Meursault tends to lead. Meursault rejects what he sees as the window dressing of society, the tact, the etiquette, the careful phrasing of words to spare the feelings of others, without seeing that he rejects the very mechanisms and conventions that allow us to live in comparative happiness with one another. We can, indeed, lead "absurd" lives, if we choose to do so in the name of a spuriously "objective" view of our place in the universe."



http://nicollsbooks.com/articles/Stranger.html
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 04:20 AM
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54. W is reading Das Kapital by Karl May and wonders where the Indians are
An old but appropriate joke ;-)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:09 AM
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55. Bush reads"--now that would be news. The very idea of this
xenophobic, fundamentalist lightweight appreciating an atheistic French existentialist is ludicrous. I would, however, recommend Camus' death to our imperial moron
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:50 AM
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57. Oh, yeah. Sure.
My German Shepherd is reading it, too.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:49 PM
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107. My cat just finished it.
She is now even more aloof and unreadable. I hope your Sheperd gets a more comprehensive wold view.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:07 AM
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58. "Ma croaked today? What kind of shit they givin' me to read?"
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:36 AM
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72. I wonder what Freud would say about all this?
:spray:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:09 AM
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59. Who do they think they're kidding?
C'mon- even his supporters tacitly acknowledge that the man is an ignorant, incurious fool. That's what all the "but he's surrounded by experienced advisors" talk was about. What's more, they *celebrate* their hero's stupidity by saying he's not one of those "pointy-headed intellectuals", but rather a "regular guy" that a voter might "want to have a beer with".
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 06:16 AM
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60. What? It wasn't in his junior high library?
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:40 AM
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65. Presidential Syllabus for this semester: "Catcher in the Rye"
"The Stranger"
"Animal Farm"
"The Bell Jar"
"Siddhartha"
"The Old Man and the Sea"
"Lord of the Flies"
"The Age of Reason"

;-)
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:10 AM
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75. Gravity's Rainbow...
:rofl:
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:52 AM
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87. The Magic Mountain!!!
:rofl:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:03 PM
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96. pft...
:spray: :thumbsup: the selected works of: Marcus Aurelius!! :rofl:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:15 PM
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97. And for dessert, Will and Ariel Durant's History of the World.
This reminds me of the fact that Dan Quayle saw Robert Redford in "The Candidate" and totally missed the statement the film was making about the emptiness and cynicism of politics.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:51 AM
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66. Camus also wrote:
There are many things worth dying for and none worth killing for.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 07:55 AM
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67. So, catching up on his Freshman English class, eh?
What a pathetic creature.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:33 AM
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70. Is there a picture version?
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:35 AM
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71. How ironic: Camus actively opposed Totalitarianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Camus

I am sure B*sh will not 'get it'.

Through out his life, Camus spoke out against and actively opposed totalitarianism in its many forms, be it German fascism or the total revolutionary philosophy of radical Marxism. Early on, Camus was active within the French Resistance to the German occupation of France during World War II, even directing the famous Resistance journal, Combat. On the French collaboration with Nazi occupiers he wrote:

Now the only moral value is courage, which is useful here for judging the puppets and chatterboxes who pretend to speak in the name of the people...

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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:47 AM
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73. that's a Camus bookcover on a copy of "The Pet Goat"
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:53 AM
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74. K&R #4. One more for hallowed hilarity n/t
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:18 AM
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77. OMG
:banghead:

this is to torture us, a little Rovian joke
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:30 AM
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81. They're printing that .....
in the comic-book version, now?

...or coloring book version?
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 09:31 AM
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82. LOL. it's one of Camus' shortest works, eh?
That was my first thought, anyway.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:44 AM
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84. Left to right, George, left to right.
Well, that's if the book isn't up side down.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:44 AM
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85. Another kick because.....
....this is the funniest thing I've heard in a long, long time.

No. Fucking. WAY. Is that imbecile reading a French (!) postmodern novel. I doubt he could even handle the Cliff's Notes.

They need to work on making their lies more convincing. Until then, this is the best good-for-a-laugh material I've read in ages.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:50 AM
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86. Ha! Finding reasons behind his sociopathy? Much better this way!
Whoever picked this one didn't quite know about existentialism.
Actually, the idea of responsibility is big in the movement, but NOT in The Stranger. Maybe, they didn't pick so badly after all.
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Fermezlabush Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 10:54 AM
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88. Mon dieu! Again with the intellectual! before the Pet Goat, Karen tried
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 10:58 AM by Fermezlabush
this spiffing of the image - telling us how he reads all them big books in the summer of 2001 playing Hamlet in the stem research bill 9result - mice stems!). After 911 they rather went with the napoleon/caesar/Churchill/ Rosevelt image - statesman warrior - trying to erase that Pet Goat. Now, that they yet terra!terra!terra! they try to raise his stature again...Irony is dead.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:17 AM
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90. The subject was sociopaths....
Interesting that he's "reading" about a character who is typically described as a sociopath (he probably has the audiobook version).
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:20 AM
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91. Hope it has pictures.
Next press conference, I wish someone would ask him a surprise question to prove he actually read it.

"Well see, ummm, there's this guy, and no one knows him, so he's a stranger..."

:rofl:
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:20 AM
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92. Hope it has pictures.
Next press conference, I wish someone would ask him a surprise question to prove he actually read it.

"Well see, ummm, there's this guy, and no one knows him, so he's a stranger..."

:rofl:
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 11:23 AM
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93. Bush Reads? Isn't that an oxymoron?
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:12 PM
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95. I'm pretty sure it was the Classics Illustrated version
(I have a copy myself).
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:15 PM
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98. I didn't know Camus wrote coloring books!
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:23 PM
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99. Jean Girard reads The Stranger while kicking Ricky Bobbie's Nascar
ass.
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AusTexDem Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:07 PM
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102. Don't most read this in High School?
So he's quoting Camus before ever reading any of his work.

I bet he had no idea who he was quoting in that Brussels speech.

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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:02 PM
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108. I read it in French in high school.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 03:11 PM
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103. He would have made "quick work" of The Stranger
He picked up the book, flipped through it quickly, discovered there's nothing to color in it, and gave it back to Tony Snow.
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schrodingers_cat Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:21 PM
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105. He just borrowed the cover of a nearby book
to disguise the tattered copy of 'Mein Kampf' that his buddy KKKarl lent to him......
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:22 PM
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113. It's been widely reported that Bush is still trying to get through...
"My Pet Goat" and frequently switches covers. I heard someone told him about Mein Kampf at one point but he just snickered and gave the person a wedgie.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:02 PM
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109. Is he trying to suck up to the French for some reason?
Does he need something from them?
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:04 PM
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110. High School Honors English Reading
I read this in 12th grade Honors English. Nice to know that a 60-year-old man is reading what I read in high school.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:19 PM
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112. "Being And Nothingness" is next on his reading list
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 10:24 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
after which he will immerse himself in Foucault's "Les Mots Et Les Choses", Levi-Strauss' "The Savage Mind", Barthes' "Writing Degree Zero", and then Derrida's "L'Ecriture Et La Difference" in the original French. Soon, Bush will be smoking Gauloises, eating Camembert, and talking with his hands at press conferences instead of bobbing his head up and down.

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