9 yr old girl freaks out over "heinz" ketchup because her mom hated Kerry

[undeterred]

This happened last weekend- a co workers daughter had the girl over for a sleepover and she went nuts when she opened the refrigerator door and saw Heinz brand Ketchup. The girls mother is a staunch republican and her father, who is also my co-worker, is a democrat.

The men were laughing about this story. I don't find it the least bit funny. I don't have children, but if I did, I can't imagine brainwashing them like that. So I asked, why do women teach their daughters to hate strong competent women like Theresa Heinz Kerry. The room went silent. Even though both these men are Dems they thought it was funny- like its just obvious that she deserves to be ridiculed. I'm sure they'd probably think it was ok to make your daughter hate Hillary too.

I wonder how long it takes girls to figure out the double message- these people want their daughters to excel, but they teach them to ridicule strong women.

They think I'm too serious about politics, evidently.

[WCGreen]

1. Very good point...

But the ditzy Elizabeth Dole is their kind of woman....

Or that Battle Axe Barbara Bush....

[mykpart]

78. Well, I freak out whenever I see Dole pineapple

or Quaker Oats!

[WCGreen]

79. Now that....

Is funny....

[Viva_La_Revolution]

82. Would you believe...

I actually refuse to buy Quaker oats, even when it's on sale as cheap as the store brand because I refuse to have a picture of the chimp's mother on my pantry shelf?

True story, I swear.

[Ferret Annica]

101. I hate these beans:

[immoderate]

106. Fittingly, they are lousy beans.

Unfortunately, Heinz ruined their vegetarian baked beans some years ago by upping the sugar content. Goya pinto beans with sauce is the current champ.

You can't say I don't know beans...:)

--IMM

[Nutmegger]

2. Oh brother

:eyes:

[Eric J in MN]

3. Exactly how did she freak out? NT

NT

[undeterred]

5. screaming and yelling

She refused to use it on her hamburger, like it would poison her. Granted, she's 9, but I doubt she came up with that on her own.

[Eric J in MN]

7. Since her father is a Democrat, maybe you should talk to him.

NT

[elehhhhna]

8. Hey, ketchup IS a liquid. Can't be toooo careful nowadays.

[saltpoint]

11. The hamburger itself was probably much worse for her health than

any smear of ketchup.

So. Dole pineapples would be ok, but Heinz ketchup is strictly prohibited?

Good god, y'all.

[seabeyond]

15. ketchup is a veggie after all, per reagan. such quandry n/t

[saltpoint]

20. I think REAGAN was more of a vegetable than ketchup ever was.

[RC]

54. Oh, that's good.

:rofl:

[AlamoDemoc]

55. lol...that's classic

:rofl: :rofl:

[The Doctor.]

46. Ummm, fruit... actually.

Just FYI, a tomato is technically a fruit... just like this poor girl's mother.

I talk to my 12 year-old all the time about these things. I want him to know it's important to understand how a country is being managed. But no matter what I tell him, I have made it clear that unless I am citing facts, and even then there may be greater context, all that I say is an opinion until he independently verifies it.

I tell him he is not allowed to have and espouse the opinions of others until he challenges and subsequently understands those positions himself.

He gets it. And for that I am proud of him. Even if he one day disagrees with me, I know that I can and will respect his position... even if I can debate the bejeezus out of him.

This woman should be bull-whipped for what she did to her child.

[seabeyond]

58. yes. i know a tomato is a fruit. our pres reagan didnt. he is the

one that said we didnt need to serve veggies in caft lunches cause ketchup was a veggie,or some such rot.

and i do the same with my children. i know some on this board will encourage their children to be mimics or high five when the kids says something rude, mean or hateful, along as it is against the administration. not allowed in my house. and i find more dems tend to have your and my attitude, hence the open minded democrat. and i tend to find most all repug cult their kids

[The Doctor.]

77. I've seen the very same trend.

It is disturbing.

Especially when one does realize the greater aspects of the world they live in.

Those children who have been programmed are in for some very difficult adjustments whichever 'side' they are on.

Our children will bear no such burdens of readjustment.

Keep them open to understanding and the future will fall into place in their hands.

[shimmergal]

97. Y'all have admirable attitudes, but

I'm not so pure. Nor do I necessarily think all dems or progressives should be. Little children have limited access to solid news and political information. They tend to trust what they hear from parents and family more but if parents don't take a stand, they'll pick up political attitudes from somewhere else--maybe the very worst sources.

My 5-year-old granddaughter also doesn't like Bush, and she can tell you why' "Because he's for war." IMO this is quite legitimate.

Myself, I would have asked the 9-year-old (nicely) "Why?" (Like, "What have you got against Teresa Heinz Kerry?") _If_ I could do it without her feeling threatened. It might be enlightening to hear her reasons.

[Ghost in the Machine]

64. Actually, it would be a fruit spread, jam or jelly since a tomato is

actually a fruit, not a vegetable. :hi:

[seabeyond]

65. geez all..... i KNOW tomato is a fruit. really i do. i swear.

learned it years and years ago. i am only saying what reagan said. he is the dummy not me..... bah hahhahahaha

but thanks

[Ghost in the Machine]

66. no problem, I was going to suggest that you probably knew, and

was just repeating something Ray Gun said, but I never really paid attention to Boy Ronnie, and didn't feel like looking it up. :blush:

You would be surprised though, at the number of people who don't know that little fact. Sorry if I insulted your intelligence.

[seabeyond]

67. i know. a lot of people dont know

i say the same to them, with the same smile you had on your face, that you said to me. lol lol

[TreasonousBastard]

16. And have some Bush's Baked Beans. n/t

[saltpoint]

18. LOL!

[proud2BlibKansan]

76. Bob Dole is not related to the pineapple company

[Leopolds Ghost]

80. No, but Dole IS or at least used to be a gadawful exploitative

company to work for.

If you ever heard the term "bananna republics", the original meaning was a mass media term for governments propped up by the US solely to benefit Dole and one other company (United Fruit?) which I think Dole later bought out anyways. So they were the sole beneficiary of all that, and acknowledged as such at the time.

So next time you see a Dole brand in the supermarket aisle, scream like a zombie whose eyelids have been taped open! :-)

[Garbo 2004]

22. Sounds like her parents should teach her some manners and how to behave

as a guest in someone else's home. Besides deprogramming her of her instilled fear of a brand name condiment. Good grief.

[mitchtv]

45. Boy, you said it

what an ill mannered little cuss.

[The Doctor.]

48. In my New England upbringing I can't recall any time

that I was impolite at another's home... except once.

Once.

Ma Eldritch quite saw to that.

[mnhtnbb]

42. "You've got to be taught to hate and fear..." Rodgers & Hammerstein lyrics

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/y/youvegottobecarefullytaught.shtml

[JanusAscending]

63. "You have to be CAREFULLY taught"!!!

I love that song!! I have the tape of Mandy Patankin singing their songs. Have you heard it? (my favorite is "Bali Hai" tho', what a range he has!)

[NVMojo]

4. the breeding in this country has gotten weird

[tinfoil tiaras]

6. Oh my god...

Freaky. :scared:

[saltpoint]

9. How volatile a young person are we talking about if a bottle of

ketchup sends her into a freak fit?

I'm not comfortable blaming her mother without proof of 'brainwashing,' and if it is true that the mother exerts a dangerous instigation regarding Ms. Heinz, there remains the option of explaining that Teresa Heinz herself likely does not make the ketchup.

There was a time when homesickness or disturbing ghost stories were all people had to comfort kids about during sleepovers.

This is the first I've heard of a Heinz ketchup crisis.

[Eric J in MN]

10. I don't think this is against strong women.

Margaret Thatcher was a strong woman, but her mother may tell her that Thatcher is a hero.

The girl is being raised to hate Democrats.

[seabeyond]

12. thank you undeterred for being a strong, competent woman

and speaking out for teresa. i agree with your point. having young children it must always be in respect, they must think it out and come to their own conclusions, hearing both sides, and not drama drama drama and my kids are politically, socially, and religiously aware. well rounded and yet to be defined.

undeterred is a perfect name for the example you set.

i hate the stories of someone bitching about something as they keep their mouth shut

[undeterred]

84. thank you

I think that both of the dads here vote dem and they also want their daughters to grow upto be strong, smart women. Their girls both are athletic- into horseback riding- and they devour books, which the dads are always passing back and forth. But they didn't really see the contradiction here until I pointed it out.

The republican critique of women who aren't totally submissive to men is really disturbing to me. Women who have a mind of their own are considered unfeminine... unless they're like Condi, who certainly is intelligent but has given up her brains to serve this regime like a robot.

[KingFlorez]

13. That is serious crazy

You teach your child to hate to the level they are screaming at a food product? That is really sick.

[notadmblnd]

14. Women are their own worst enemies

If we could only put as much energy into helping each other and joining together that we do being mean to each other, I believe we could actually take over the world. But instead, we're catty, resentful and petty. Obviously we see each other as a threat and I really don't understand why. Has society programmed this trait in us, making us so insecure about ourselves that we can do nothing better than to teach our children to hate?

[Darth_Kitten]

38. No, we're not catty, resentful and petty....

this stereotype just keeps women down.

Like men can't be petty, vindictive and cruel? Oh, wait, no, it's women tearing down other women all the time. But I guess all those crime statistics are just wrong.....

[lukasahero]

104. "we're catty, resentful and petty" Speak for yourself, please.

Personally, I don't believe or find "women" to be "catty, resentful and petty". Individuals, yes, of course, just as male individuals can be.

"We" are only our worst enemies when we contribute to the demonization of "women". Think about it...

[JohnnyLib]

17. my painful confession

a beloved 8 year old relative is growing up with a * sticker on the family car. Two years ago she gave the blessing, "God bless (all of us) and vote for Pwesident Bush...."

Very tense meal ensued.

[wakeme2008]

83. I would have had to get up and leave at that point

:shrug:

[TreasonousBastard]

19. I'll pass on the question of dissing strong women...

because that seems to be a side issue.

I'll agree that it's taking politics a bit too far, but I wonder how many kids of people on this board turn up their noses at anything from Wal-Mart, or sneer at Exxon gas stations?

We're all responsible for giving our kids ideas, and what the kids do with those ideas.

[seabeyond]

25. we are also responsible in teaching so much more, than just our ideas

teaching the kids to think for themselves, always in a respectful manner. if they dont have a clue, dont just take what i say and mimic, repeat or parrot. it is their obligation and responsiblity to get the information and make an informed decision, even if it will be a bit immature or young because after all so are they.

i teach my kids to do their own thinking. and i teach my kids to recognize when they are being manipulated. all these things will serve them well in later years as they do form their own opinions and refuse to be followers, sheep......

as i told a teacher (from a christian school) i will not allow my kids to be culted by a church, teacher, police, government, or me.

[Jazz2006]

29. Well said,

That was a lot like what I was trying to say in the post that I was formulating while you were posting yours ~ but you said it much more concisely than I did.

:)

[seabeyond]

33. more concisely

ooooosh.... lol lol i hear that so........nevah. lol lol. thanks

[Jazz2006]

36. Hee hee ~ well, call that a first then :)

:toast:

But you really did say it more concisely than I did in my #28 ~

[seabeyond]

37. i think we said the same, and the cute

was i am talking from perspective of young and how i see it will benefit them, and you are seeing the past, and what you helped to create. touching.

[Jazz2006]

61. You're right.

It's all about perspective, whether looking forward or looking back.

(for the record, though, I'm guessing that I'm not too much older than you despite the respective ages of the children we're talking about :) )

[seabeyond]

62. oh gosh ya, i bet. lol lol lol

i was so very old before even starting. uh hu

you get to play now, i got to play before, lol. i told boys won't be so bad having an old mom. by the time they are in high school i wont be able to hear anymore as they sneak into the house, lol

[Jazz2006]

68. LOL ~ okay, I take it back...

You might be a whole lot older than me. (woot woot!)

But even if you are, it makes no difference in terms of teaching the offspring to listen to and actually absorb various sides of an issue ~ so at least on that, we're in the same camp :)

[seabeyond]

69. bah hahahahahhaha

funny you. lol

hey 44. what were you, 13, wink

[Jazz2006]

72. Lol

Just turned 44 a couple of weeks ago, myself :)

[seabeyond]

73. happy late bday

i guess you were right. d*MN YOU are smart

[Jazz2006]

81. Thanks... and luckily for me....

I just LOOK much younger :P

Edit to add ~ hey! I just looked at your profile. I have a friend who lives in Amarillo ~ do you still live there?

[seabeyond]

87. yes

i still live in amarillo. probaby be buried in amarillo. lived here for a while and one day was adding it up. realized over a decade. my heart raced, i gasped for air and shakingly asked hubby, ..... how long living here before i become a texan. near panic in my eyes. he assured me i could live here a lifetime and i would never become a texan. ah...... the relief. thank hte lord, wink

[Jazz2006]

28. Agreed.

I think the "dissing strong women" is a side issue, and probably totally unintended on the part of the 9 year old.

It appears more as though the child was taking her mother's politics to heart, and doing so in a child-like manner.

We do impart our ideas to our children, of course, but some people don't seem to know how to do so in an age-appropriate manner - on both sides of the political spectrum.

For instance, I've seen in various threads here artwork drawn by children much younger than the 9 year old in question bearing very strong political messages, and posts about things young children have said and done, also with very strong political messages mimicking the strong views of their parents, at ages long before the children could really be capable of fully understanding what they are saying or promoting.

I think that is unfortunate. It is probably unintended in most cases. But I've seen just as many Democrats do it as Repugs.

I have been very careful to impart to my daughter my own views, at an age appropriate level, but always made sure that it was clear to her that others disagree with me - sometimes vehemently - and see things differently than I do, and that she should form her own opinions only when she can grasp and understand both sides of an issue (as much as I would, of course, like her to agree with me).

I'm proud to say that this approach has worked very well. She is now 18, very progressive, very well-informed, and because she was not fed a steady diet of only one side of any issue, she is fully capable of looking at any given issue from opposing sides and therefore can easily refute conservative counter-arguments with ease.

I don't think she would have been able to do that so well if all I had done was to try to indoctrinate here with my firmly held views without encouraging her to think about the counter-arguments and the views of others.

[never_get_over_it]

71. I couldn't agree with you more

my family and I had this exact same conversation over Mother's Day weekend not the strong woman part but the passing your political beliefs to your children - and some of my family members told me I should not be telling the kids how bad the idiot in chief is in particular and the repunks in general - my reply is that is ridiculous families pass their values to their children - and one of my values is that the idiot in chief as well as most of the members in his administration belong in prison and that until the repunks take their party back and stop acting like Christofascist we want nothing to do with them.....

I also say to them if I believe they may not be telling the truth - are you George Bushing me - which they clearly understand as meaning are you lying to me

But as for the flipping out and making a scene over ketchup - that's a whole other issue and ridiculous

Funny story my 12 year old nephew got some kind of Presidential Award at school - when I was talking to him telling him how proud I was of him etc etc etc he said but you know what - it has you know whose name on it - I laughed so big and said don't worry about it we'll white it out!!!!!

[Nay]

88. There is a difference between turning up your nose at something

from Walmart, and BEING IN SOMEONE'S HOME and having an out-loud shit fit because your hosts have bought something from Walmart. THAT'S being a rude little asshole, and the dad should have taken her outside for a fanny whacking and a lecture on how to be polite.

If she had been my child, she would not have been able to sit comfortably for quite a while. And I'm not a big advocate of spanking.

[Nay]

90. And it's not because Heinz is a strong woman--it's cuz she's a Dem.

[RagAss]

21. a little 15 year course of Thorazine will help that...next patient please

[Mr_Spock]

23. Neighbors 8 year old girl tried to tear up a magnet on my car.

The 8 year old girl was livid and said that she wanted to "rip it to pieces". I found pieces nicked off it by her nails as she tried to rip it off my car and got caught.

You know what it said?

It was a yellow ribbon that said:

"Support our troops"

and on the other half,

"Not Bush"

Parents who teach their kids this kind of hate are not only stigmatizing their child, but I look at the guy in an entirely different light now - and I used to think he was "OK".

[tinfoil tiaras]

31. Perfect Bushitler Youth (tm) right there. nt.

[patrice]

24. We justify what we have sacrificed for _________ by requiring

others, especially the next generation, to make the same sacrifices. This prooves to us that our sacrifices were not in vane and cripples the future.

Sounds to me like someone is jealous of THK.

[Kurovski]

26. Mom sounds more like a staunch nutjobber.

Ketchup, fer crissakes!

[globalvillage]

27. That's so sad.

What a shame to teach children that sort of hatred.
Is this the person her mother wants her to fear to the point she won't touch a condiment with her name on it?

Teresa Heinz Kerry
AWARDS
Women's Leadership Award - Save the Children (2003)
World Ecology Award International Center for Tropical Ecology University of Missouri (2003)
Albert Schweitzer Gold medal for Humanitarianism (2003)
Carlow College's National Woman of Spirit (2001)
Community Service Human Rights Award from the American Jewish Committee
Boston Bar Federation Public Service Award (2001)
Art Rooney Award from the Catholic Youth Association of Pittsburgh (2002)
Gold Medal conferred by the American Institute of Architects in Pittsburgh (2001)
Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus lifetime achievement award (2003)
UTNE Reader's 100 Visionaries (1995)
National Council for Research on Women “Women Who Make a Difference” (2005)

COMMITTEES, MEMBERSHIPS
Brookings Institution trustee
Visiting Committee for the Kennedy School
Harvard University environmental committee
American Institute for Public Service (Jefferson Awards) board member
Carnegie Mellon University trustee
American Academy of Arts and Sciences fellow
Heinz Awards – founder
Heinz Endowments – chair
Heinz Family Philanthropies - chair
Women's Health and the Environment conferences – sponsor and host
Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement (WISER) – founder
Women's Campaign Fund – co-founder
Environmental Defense - board member
Heinz Center – vice chair
Teresa Heinz Scholars for Environmental Research – founder
John Heinz Environmental Fellows Program for the United Negro College Fund – founder
Earth Communications Office - advisory board
Second Nature (literacy) – co-founder
Alliance to End Childhood Lead Poisoning – co-founder
Center for Children's Health and the Environment at Mount Sinai School of Medicine – advisory council

HONORARY DOCTORATE DEGREES
Beloit College (Wisconsin)
University of Massachusetts (Boston),
Bank Street College of Education (New York),
Pine Manor College and Clark University (Massachusetts),
Carnegie Mellon University
The Medical College of Pennsylvania
Drexel University
Washington and Jefferson College
Carlow College

EDUCATION
BA romance languages and literature - University of the Witwatersrand Johannesburg, South Africa
Interpreters School of the University of Geneva
LANGUAGES
English, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese



I just love THK.

[jedr]

32. Del Monte owns Heinz and Teresa has no function;

In the operation or management of the business. Her money is all in a trust which serves charitable organizations, which she directs, thus the ketchup boycott serves no purpose. Perhaps she feels that Ann Coulter might be a good role model for this young girl. A lying and cynical propagandist. The damage that has been done to this country by Karl Rove purely for the personal gain of a handful of people is something that we will have to endure for years to come.

[globalvillage]

40. Still traded and operated as HNZ

although they did spin off many products with the Del Monte deal.
Wonder if the OP's coworker would be surprised to know that the Repug candidate for Gov of PA sits on the Heinz board and that, as you note, Teresa has no role in the company.
Think if she knew she might let the poor kid have it? Or is it just that it says Heinz on the bottle?
I say use it liberally! It is the best, after all.

[saltpoint]

60. It is the best. And it got a whole lot better during the 2004 campaign.

!

Also, I'm grateful for the Ketchup Advisory Board featured on Garrison Keillor's A PRAIRIE HOME COMPANION.

Maybe they should be sent in to deal with this mom and daughter.

[tinfoil tiaras]

30. Wonder if she knew that the late Mr. Heinz was a Republican senator..

probably not.

[BrotherBuzz]

59. Or that Teresa Heinz Kerry has no control or connection to the company

probably not.

[LWolf]

34. Mainstream America is not yet comfortable with strong women,

in my experience.

While many support the concept of gender equality intellectually, it still seems to trigger a visceral response that has nothing to do with intellect.

[tabasco]

35. You just keep them cookies comin' missie!

Leave all that decisioratin' to the menfolk!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

39. I wonder if the family buys "Reagan Ketchup" or "W Ketchup".....

...or whatever stupid thing I saw on the net trying to capitalize on Repug's fear of Heinz......$3 dollars a bottle too, which just shows how fast "conservatives" can be seperated from their money.

[iconoclastic cat]

41. Ritalin is a heckuva drug. nt

[catzies]

43. Why is that a "gender" thing instead of a "brainwashing kids" thing?

Just asking. :shrug:

[lonestarnot]

44. I'd have put the brat in the car and dumped her off at her doorstep

with a few choice words of advise. heh heh heh

[klook]

47. Wonder how she feels about

FRENCH's mustard??

[Cleita]

49. Makes me wonder about the Democratic dad. What did

he see in the mom to marry her in the first place? I mean sometime they have to sit down and talk to each other, share ideas etc.. It can't all be about sex.

[tinfoil tiaras]

51. Maybe he's like Alan Colmes

...likes being abused by Rethugs...hmm..

[K8-EEE]

50. Future Wacko Freepette

Her mom must be like Katherine Harris!

[tinfoil tiaras]

53. or Ann the Man

[BreweryYardRat]

52. You sure this kid isn't mentally/emotionally stunted?

I can't see a normal 9 year old reacting like that, no matter how much of a kool-aid chugging nutjob the mother is.

[sleepyhead]

107. Or possibly heading for an eating disorder.

Since she is being told to see (a type of) food as her enemy.

[JohMunich99]

56. My mom called Heinz ketchup "campaign juice"

It works both ways.

[niyad]

57. welcome to DU-- do any of YOUR sibs freak out about foodstuffs?

[lostinacause]

70. I don't think it has anything to do with Theresa being strong.

In fact I am all but certain that it is not. Someone would have to have a level of irrationality that I have not yet seen to be able to have that much dislike (her mother) for a person based on her loose relationship to a company and her relative insignificance (as in most people would not have heard of her) if John Kerry did not choose the role he did.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

74. I don't think this is about "strong women"

When I was nine years old, all my values came from my parents. They were both staunch Democrats.

In 1964 we cut through parking lots on our way to and from school so we could peel Goldwater stickers off car bumpers. Back home we sat on the curb waiting for cars to drive past. Cars with Dem stickers we ran after cheering and waving. Cars with GOP stickers we would boo, shaking our fists. (No swearing or rock throwing - this was 1964.) Sometimes a GOP car would stop and the driver would get out to threaten us with the police. We would scream with glee and chant "LBJ! All the way!"

Kids seek parental approval by mirroring their attitudes but that doesn't mean the little girl is brainwashed. Either the girl or her mother are strung a bit too tight, but I don't get how this is about strong women. That's a stretch IMO.

[undeterred]

86. This is 2 years after the presidential election

My co-worker said it took him a few minutes to even make the connection. How does a 7 year old remember the wife of the dem presidential candidate- who has a different name than his. Who even mentions about Theresa Heinz Kerry? If the girl flipped out over Kerry, that's something you might expect, but for her to even remember his wife's different name two years later there must have been some real Theresa bashing going on in that house.

[wisteria]

75. All the staunch Repubs I live around are all nasty, arrogant and

full of hate. It is a shame the little girl had to be subjected to her mother's missed directed hatred. I have noticed recently, a renewed interest in misrepresenting the womens movement and the roles women should have in society by Repubs talk radio.

[calico1]

85. If she had been at my house I would have

packed her things and called for someone to pick her up. I would not tolerate rudeness like that.

[Dude_CalmDown]

89. If I had a daughter I'd make her hate Hillary - what's wrong with that?

She's a sad excuse for a democrat. But that lunacy about Kerry is just pathetic. Some people should not be allowed near children.

[globalvillage]

91. Dude, you're not serious?

Give kids the truth. When the time comes, they'll form their own opinions.
Hatred is not the answer.

[undeterred]

92. Why would you make her hate Hillary?

While she is not my choice for president, and I don't like everything about her, she is still a very strong and intelligent woman. She's an equal to her husband on every level. (Well, maybe not her sexual appetite, but that's another story!)

I don't have children, but if I did, I would still want my daughters to look up to strong, accomplished women. I'd rather use Elizabeth Dole as a role model than Laura Bush. I don't like Condoleeza Rice, but I do have respect for her as someone who is a strong woman with a lot of accomplishments. The fact that she's on the other side of the political fence does not keep me from seeing that.

[Dude_CalmDown]

94. Well to clarify, I wouldn't teach hate of anyone to a child.

But honestly, Hillary is not an example I would ever want my child to follow. Accomplishments don't mean much to me if she's full of shit. And she is. I don't think gender really matters when it comes to role-models. Integrity is far more important. If I had a kid, Paul Wellstone would be their role-model.

[Swamp Rat]

93. LOL!

[lies and propaganda]

95. well, i enjoy the idea of boycotting

Though i dont agree with the whys and ways of this situation, I love not supporting a product that you dont want to.
I freak out over Walmart, Dennys, Osco, Albertsons, Home Depot, Phillip Morris, Anheuser Busch, Coors, the list goes on forever. Im actually running out of shit to boycott.

[undeterred]

96. I'd think you would be running out of stuff to buy!

[lies and propaganda]

98. and places to eat!

its hard being so moral ;)

[SmokingJacket]

99. My son calls it "Kerry Formula" -- isn't that weird?

I think he heard a story on the news about Repubs boycotting Heinz or something -- I certainly never made a big deal out of it.

But somehow, the idea that the ketchup we buy is "pro-Kerry" really pleased him.

It's not necessarily brain-washing --kids just latch onto things.

[Joe Bacon]

100. Teresa never ran over anyone and killed them, unlike Pickles.

My blood STILL boils over all the lies they said about Teresa. What a shame we have to be stuck with Killer Pickles until 2009 :puke:

[guinivere]

102. Wow. A junior koolaid guzzler.

Correction: a very rude junior koolaid guzzler.

Don't people teach kids manners or respect anymore?

[MODemocrat]

103. Another Ann Coulter in the making?

Shame on her Mother for brainwashing this child. I would have sent her home.

[politicasista]

105. This thread is reminding of a song

I heard a while back from Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 album.



"Livin' In A World (They Didn't Make)"

Children are called the future of an adult world
They are born with spirits so innocent
Til we teach them how to hate
Add to the world's confusion
We teach our kids rules
That we don't adhere to ourselves
Right or wrong
What example can they take
The people we learn from
Forge the ideas we become

Living in a world they didn't make
Living in a world that's filled with hate
Living in a world where grown-ups break the rules
Living in a world they didn't make
Paying for a lot of adult mistakes
How much of this madness can they take
Our children

Children grow to become our young adults
Problems of the world
They must learn how to confront
Doing drugs and joining gangs to rebel
Colors show they belong
To the social override
Cause they're living in a space
They feel out of place

Living in a world they didn't make
Living in a world that's filled with hate
Living in a world where grown-ups break the rules
Living in a world they didn't make
Paying for a lot of adult mistakes
How much of this madness can they take
Our children



It just goes to show us how much racism and hatred still exists today.:(