On CSPAN2 now! 11:30 pm - Kingdom Coming:The Rise of Christian Nationalism

[Viva_La_Revolution]

Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism
Michelle Goldberg

Michelle Goldberg appears at the All Souls Unitarian Church in Indianpolis, Indiana to discuss her book about religious conservatives. The author argues that many conservative religious leaders and organizations are working to make the United States an overtly Christian nation with Christian laws. She describes how the Bush administration's faith based initiative has changed public health policy and transformed organizations like the Salvation Army. Following her remarks she takes questions from the audience.

Michelle Goldberg is a senior writer for Salon.com and a member of the advisory board of the Campaign to Defend the Constitution (www.defconamerica.org ). She has written for the San Francisco Bay Guardian, Rolling Stone, and Newsday. "Kingdom Coming" is her first book.

[patrice]

1. Thanks much. n/t

[proud patriot]

2. thanks for the heads up

:hi:

[bowens43]

3. Sinclair Lewis once said....

"When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

[pnorman]

7. I believe that quote was actually by Huey Long,

and the part about "carrying a cross" was tacked on by someone unknown.

pnorman

[bowens43]

21. Nope, it was Sinclair Lewis. Do a google search. nt

[tinfoil tiaras]

4. Ooh, I'm gonna watch!

See y'all later! :D

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. kickin for visibility. nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. Important stuff.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. gutting the Salvation Army

long time social service employees leaving because of the new Faith Based programs. This is a travesty. I attended SA as a teen, and my Mom worked the front desk. I felt so comfortable there, as opposed to every other church I've ever attended. We had old ladies in the front, families sitting in the middle, all the teens usually sitting together (the youth group was so fun... religion was almost never discussed), and usually a bum or two dozing in the back pews. I never felt pressured to conform or made to feel 'less than'.

I don't think I would feel comfortable there at all now. :(

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. They've made all of us feel uncomfortable. About everything.

And the resentment is surfacing in surprising ways.

[Sinti]

9. K&R We need to pay attention to this n/t

[EFerrari]

10. She said, roughly, "Every two years or so we see an article about

the demise of the Christian Right and they always come back, stronger than ever."

[burythehatchet]

11. the point that resonates

most with me is the concept that the war/struggle in which humanity is engaged is not East/West, North/South, or Muslim/Christian. Rather, its about Fundamentalism and Secularism. I often say that that which helps Bush also helps Bin Laden, and that which disempowers one disempowers the other. Their fortunes are tied. It is because their interests are perfectly aligned. The tragedy we are enduring right now is a failure to recognize the true dichotomy. The charade many people have been sold makes very fuzzy the true demarkation line, thereby causing the emotions and efforts of those people to be misdirected.

Plus the author is hot!:)

[undergroundpanther]

12. that's the "culture war"

Bible fascists who want control and conforming and secular liberals who don't need to make everyone like themselves. Bullies VS non Bullies.

[EFerrari]

14. It's like this culture has just walked in one big 200+ year circle. nt

[The2ndWheel]

17. Interesting

In a post below, you wrote:

"They need to be shamed back into thier hidey holes."

That sounds exactly like bullying, control, conforming, and making everyone like yourself.

[kiahzero]

26. Tolerance need not be extended to the intolerant. (n/t)

[The2ndWheel]

27. So that makes the tolerant intolerant

which means nothing will ever stop. Which is fine, since that's how I see life anyway. The same problems are always around, only changing shape after we solve them. As long as the double-standard is out in the open, that's all I ask. We all have our own double or triple standards anyway.

[Disturbed]

13. For many years the Fundies were either ignored or made fun of.

That of course was a big mistake that must be corrected. Fundies of any stripe do not believe in democracy. They believe in Dictatorship of their religious bent. This is one of the reasons that Busholini has a strong 29% support base. The Fundies made great gains during Raygun's Admin. and he catered to them as does Busholini. We must do whatever we can to keep our Nation from becoming a RW Theocratic Fascist State that it is rapidly becoming.

[undergroundpanther]

15. They need to be shamed

back into thier hidey holes.

[cool user name]

29. Excellent post. n/t

[theHandpuppet]

18. They consider Ohio their primary battlefield

Upon which they will test the political power of the religious right.

http://www.ohiorestorationproject.com/

[norml]

23. The arteries of our culture have been infected with the toxin of dogmatic

secularism which have sought to deny America's Godly heritage and undermine her God-given potential.

:eyes:

[The2ndWheel]

19. Re-airing at 8:45am

kick

[tenshi816]

20. I'm currently reading her book

Kingdom Coming and highly recommend it.

[chat_noir]

22. ah, the irony of it

Colonial America was populated by people escaping religious tyranny and prosecution.

[theHandpuppet]

24. Thanks for the heads up

I managed to tune in just in time. Frightening indictment of how the radical Christian right is changing our democracy at its most fundamental levels.

[jasmeel]

25. The Christian taliban -n/t

[cool user name]

28. Would these be, as Bush would term it,

Christo-Fatshits