So Kucinich married a hot red head. Is he electable now?

[helderheid]

[bbinacan]

1. Picture please. n/t

[helderheid]

2. fixed you perv.

[KingFlorez]

4. LOL

[bbinacan]

16. Thanks! Do you

have a close up?:evilgrin:

[bleever]

3. Actually, it looks like he's busy right now.

:7

[FreedomAngel82]

5. They're so cute!

If you watch some of the video's from the 2000 convention you can see them together too.

[eridani]

28. 2000?

She hadn't moved here yet.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. You don't have to live there to go to the convention do you?

When Stevie Wonder was performing they showed the audience and one part you see Kucinich and a red-head is next to him that looks like her.

[eridani]

41. Must have been someone else.

According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, they met in May of 2005.

[helderheid]

66. I think that was his daughter Jackie who writes for The Hill n/t

[helderheid]

6. All the pics you'd want

She looks like an actress I used to watch on As The World Turns - got all famous.

http://www.wkyc.com/galleries/galleries_fullstory.asp?id=39648

[MuseRider]

8. That was the first thing

I thought of when I saw her. Lovely woman, LUCKY woman.

[helderheid]

10. No shit lucky. I handed him a DU approved package to him when he came here

and told him he was my hero. I registered to vote to get rid of Bush - I stayed because of Dennis.

That packacge was about the stolen election. HE KNOWS.

[MuseRider]

14. He is the only thing

that actually has held me to this party. After this week we will see if he still has that much holding power, somehow I doubt it but I would work my ass off for him and a few other Dems but you have to make a statement somehow.

I would love to see and hear him in person, someday I hope to be that lucky.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. She's beautiful! I think he's electable. Sure do!

I like Dennis a LOT!

[rodeodance]

44. yes, she is beautiful.

[chalky]

18. Wow, she DOES look like Julianne Moore!

They're very cute together!

/girly voice

[helderheid]

22. THAT'S IT!!!! Thank you - that was driving me nuts!!

[npincus]

54. wow- she's a beauty

no wonder he's smiling! I wish them many years of love and happiness together.

[helderheid]

7. So is he electable? Gore/Kucinich? Please???

[TahitiNut]

12. That'd be a symptom of a cure ... we're a long way from that, sadly.

Most of what I see as 'wishful thinking' on DU regarding 2006 and 2008 is, sadly, many years in the hopeful future. The tumor of fascism has been growing in the American body politic for many years and has metastacized in the last 10 years. I doubt anything short of radiation therapy will get us on the road to health.

[Greeby]

9. Well, Elizabeth has been a peace worker in various ways

So, if Dennis does run again, she'd probably want to help out on the campaign :toast:

[eridani]

29. It would definitely have to be her idea.

I hope no one has forgotten what the "librul" press did to Teresa and Judy Dean (rather be a country doctor than a cookie cutter prop wife? The horror!) I can't see Dennis asking her to be subject to that. Who knows, though? She might volunteer.

[Bigmack]

13. Dennis... you dog!

Old ugly guys like us ain't supposed to get the pretty girls!

Wait... maybe she just loves his mind. I sure as hell do.

[helderheid]

15. why no recommends?

[helderheid]

17. oh God no!

[MuseRider]

19. There you go.

I always forget to do that ;).

DK always deserves the Greatest Page and so do you.

[upi402]

20. PLEASE YES!

But even DINO Democratic congresspeople put him down. Only liberal ones admit he was right all along.
No Bowties.
Good haircut.
Tan.
And don't listen to Democratic handlers and elite insiders... and
He's in!

Time for a change.
Screw the pundits.

[neoblues]

21. They say behind every great man...

is a good woman... or some such thing. It certainly helps with his image... and I might vote for her--if she's got a good liberal mind under those red locks, and she wanted to run for office... Would Dennis be good first man material? (as Bill Maher would say... "I Kid...")

[eridani]

30. She's still a British citizen.

She'd have to do something about that first.

[neoblues]

78. Oh, Jolly Good, Wot?

[Dr Fate]

23. I think he should give it a shot again.

He will steer the nominee from right to center-left. THe primaries will be ON FIRE if he and Gore run. Not to mention Clark & Dean.

[MuseRider]

26. I agree,

I so admire him for sticking the whole time when he knew he wasn't going to win but he had a message that needed to be heard. It had to have been very difficult.

[Skip Intro]

24. He's as electable as he ever was.

sadly

[Catrina]

25. Didn't Kucinich have a contest for women who wanted to date him

during the election when he appeared on a talk show? I remember people being very upset with him for doing that. I thought he was single, not involved with anyone, and was looking for a girlfriend. So, if he was involved, I wonder why he did that, and who won the date with him?

[eridani]

33. He wasn't involved at the time of the contest.

They met in May 2005 and married in August 2005. Very much a whirlwind courtship.

http://www.cleveland.com/living/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/living/1130669287141800.xml&coll=2&thispage=1

On May 4, Elizabeth Harper walked with her boss into Dennis Kucinich's Capitol Hill office for a meeting and immediately noticed three things. In the reception area, she saw a visiting nun in white robes. In his inner office sat a shelf bearing an illustration depicting "light consciousness" and a bust of Gandhi.

She studied the lean and intense congressman and felt an attraction.

"Now this is an interesting man," she thought.

Dennis had also closely observed Elizabeth, a statuesque Englishwoman with waist-length red hair.

"I saw her eyes go to the light consciousness picture, then to the Gandhi bust, then to me," he says. "It was like one, two, three. That's when I knew."

Within an hour, he called his friend, actress Mimi Kennedy, best known for playing Dharma's mother on "Dharma & Greg."

"I met her," Dennis said. Kennedy knew exactly what he meant. She gave a little yelp of joy.

<snip>

Dennis' bachelorhood became part of his run for president last year, with a contest held to find him a mate. The dates didn't pan out, but something unusual happened in the spring of 2004, a year before he met Elizabeth. A group of supporters he visited in Brooklyn, N.Y., painted an 8-foot-long banner, heralding "Dennis Kucinich, the Peace Candidate."

The detailed painting had a series of figures, people of all races and ethnicities forming an even row, from one side of the banner to the other.

Dennis put the banner away, and forgot about it until a few weeks ago. Then he took it out of the box and unfurled it to show Elizabeth.

Stunned, he said, "Wow."

In the middle of the row of painted figures, standing head and shoulders above all of them, is a woman in a white gown, with long red hair.

http://www.cleveland.com/living/photos/gallery.ssf?cgi-bin/view_gallery.cgi/cleve/view_gallery.ata?g_id=3794

[FreedomAngel82]

37. Interesting

I didn't know that. So I guess the red-head next to him in the 2000 convention wasn't her if they just met. Wow, that's pretty quick. Oh and I used to love "Darhma & Greg" so how neat he knows the girl who's Darhma.

[f-bush]

27. I'd elect her......just kidding

Seriously though, to me Kucinich was and is always electable. A wonderful principled person with great priorities!

[WCGreen]

31. Sadly, I just heard talk here in his district that people are

thinking about running against him soon...

Democrats....

I don't know how serious this is because DK has a deep base and provides excellent constituent service....

Still, the people who were talking control a very large part of the district...

[Kolesar]

34. They have all of 20 days to file

[WCGreen]

35. Not this time...

in 2008...

[FreedomAngel82]

38. Oh no!

I hope they don't unseat him! :(

[WCGreen]

39. Not this time....

There are grumblings that he is more interested in getting attention than serving his district...

But, DK has a very very good history of going to bat for his people....

He would be tough to beat in a primary....

[OzarkDem]

77. Who is considering it?

Do tell. I suppose there will always be a few career minded, term limited Dems in OH-10.

[WCGreen]

80. It was told o me in confidence....

So I will defer to a later date....

Suffice it to say it is a strong political person in the 10th....

[Swamp Rat]

32. Yaay! Dennis!!! ... kick and recommended!

She looks like Julianne Moore!!! :D

[JVS]

40. She's taller than him, so no.

[LWolf]

42. He's always been electable.

He has my support for whatever office he may choose to run for.

[mdmc]

43. He needs to date twins to be electable

nominated.

Dennis Kucinich is GOD! (<-Jello Biaffra)

[smoogatz]

45. Nope. Unless he can make himself taller.

A truism of televised politics--short guys and bald guys have no shot at the presidency. Fat guys, too, probably.

[Marleyb]

46. He was always electable

That whole electability crap was a big lie. Kerry was 'electable' yet he couldn't(or wouldn't) beat the worst president ever. Bush is utterly incoherent, consistently mangles the english language, has no knowledge of the real world, or interest in it...and if I might add...Bush is funny looking! People thought Kucinich was too funny looking??! And too short?? Has anyone noticed Bush is about the same height, and Cheney is even shorter. Ridiculous.

A clear majority were against the Iraq war before it started, and even more when the election came around. Republicans cross party lines with their view against the war.

A clear majority are against the unpatriotic "patriot" act. VERY conservative republican rep Don Young says it is the worst piece of legislation he ever signed. Republicans would have voted across party lines to stop this affront to our democracy.

Health care....need I say more. A very large majority of the US population want universal health care.(not subsidized health insurance) Many republicans, out of absolute neccesity would have voted for Dennis to save their lives and be able to save their homes if there were an illness in the family.

Speaking for the majority of Americans is how you win elections, which Dennis could have done if it weren't for the corporate news and all the people who helped them.


Babe or no babe, Dennis is/was electable. (As if pickles lends so much to Bush's image) I'm sure Dennis is having alot of FUN these days....but I think this babe is distracting him. Where has he been on the illegal wiretap issue? He should be introducing articles of impeachment...America is waiting for a brave person to do the right thing. He seems perfect for the job.

[More Than A Feeling]

58. AWWWW! They're cute together!

Now that I think about it, Kucinich actually looks like a normal person, as opposed to the cookie-cutter politicians we seem to see so much of (particularly on the Rep side. I think the Republican representatives are just one guy playing a couple different roles).

[Freddie Stubbs]

47. Bachelorhood was not what sunk his campaign

[Marleyb]

48. Besides the corporate media, his campaign sunk his campaign

His campaign staff seemed like they weren't even trying, and never really believed in him in the first place.

And then there were people like David Swanson and William Pitt that bailed on him. They were supposedly big supporters who then used the kucinich name to launch PDA during the democratic convention(when they should have been protesting the pro-war stance of the democratic party) and now neither Pitt or Swanson ever write or speak of Dennis....strange....

[ohio_liberal]

50. Oh wow, that's not going to go over well!

:popcorn:

And BTW, your post is not accurate. I just did a simple google search and found a Will Pitt article from 2005 on Truthout.org where he says he worked for Dennis K. It was near the top of the list. I didn't bother to look further, but you can see a whole list of them if you want to do a search yourself.

[Marleyb]

that's just it- they still say they worked for Kucinich

...but they do not support him by writing about what he has been doing in congress. As everyone knows on DU, Dennis speaks out alot and could use the support of the progressive community. Progressive Democrats of America was a spin-off from his campaign at the 2004 democratic convention...but go to the PDA website and there is nothing about him at all, it is as if he doesn't exist.

[Earth_First]

57. As someone who worked at both the field level and state level for Kucinich

...your comments are way out of line. I worked at both the field level and state level during the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries, and will certainly have to disagree that individuals involved with the Kucinich campaign were in it to build bridges towards higher political apsirations. Dot was THE hardest working campaign manager during the 2004 primaries, and I will go another round if need be to defend her credibility. I'm also astonished, believing that you know how the corporate media functions, to see that you believe that because of the lack of media attention, that this is attributed to the fact that we simply gave up on Dennis. Dennis is way ahead of his/our time on progressive correction in Washington, and this rubs those who are emebedded in the scandal in ways that force them to view Dennis as a threat to the status quo. Again, I'm shocked, confused, and a little disheartened to see someone denounce the Kucinich campaign on Democratic Underground.

Not sure if you are aware of this, but Will is a frequent contributor to Democratic Underground, and I look very much forward to his response to your comments.

[WilliamPitt]

72. "Besides the corporate media, his campaign sunk his campaign"

Possibly the dumbest, most uninformed statement I have ever read on this board.

Take this to heart:

1. The people who worked for Dennis Kucinich's campaign were the most dedicated, hard-working people you might ever be privileged to know. Among them were David Swanson and Kevin Spidel. Spidel specifically stayed with the campaign all the way to the convention - at great personal and finacial expense (he mortgaged his house to keep going with the work, and suffered a near-divorce with his wife, who was also working for the campaign) - even with the full knowledge that the work was aimed at little more than carrying the banner for Dennis' progressive causes. They took it all the way to Boston, and then created PDA to continue the work once the campaign was over. That amounts to well over a year of their lives, being paid campaign slave wages, never seeing home and constantly traveling.

Name for me please one thing, one campaign, one cause you have given so much to. I don't know you, but I am willing to bet that whatever lights you have hung in this world are vastly outshined by the incredible men and women who served Dennis Kucinich in 2004.

2. As for the campaign failing Dennis, understand something: the campaign staggered in many aspects due to one singular fact. That fact is Dennis. Rather than allow the professionals on his staff to manage him and his campaign, to sell him across the country in the way any successful national campaign must do, Dennis micromanaged virtually every aspect of the thing. This meant that people setting up issues papers, press statements, events, endorsements, and any other necessary aspect of the campaign had to go through Dennis for approval. As Dennis was a tireless campaigner, he was unavailable 23 1/2 hours out of the day. This meant necessary decisions were stalled as his staffers waited for a moment when they could have his attention and gain his permission.

One can understand why this happened if one can understand Dennis. Simply, he tried to run a national campaign the way he runs his congressional office and his district. His office and district are small enough that he can micromanage to his heart's content. It was apparently a difficult habit to break; the necessary decision to delegate authority took place too late for him to make an impact on the race. Still - and note this well - his staff stuck with him to the end.

I say this not to harsh on Dennis, but to offer a warning. This was one of the main reasons why the campaign went virtually nowhere. I say this as a friend offering advice. If he chooses to run again in '08, I pray he will delegate far more authority than he did in '04. In other words, friend, it was not the fault of his staff. We tried.

3. "The corporate media fucked us" has been a constant refrain in the aftermath. As with any dealings with the mainstream press' knee-jerk bias toweards all things liberal, there is a grain of truth to this. But as I served as Press Secretary for a time in the campaign, I know firsthand that the same micromanagement that plagued the staff in general absolutely devastated our ability to get our message out. My staff and I would draft ten press releases a day, but would have to wait for Dennis to read them word by word and line by line. This caused delays of between 72 and 100 hours before press releases could be sent out, because it was so hard to get time with Dennis, and yet were were under orders to release nothing without his approval. By the time we got the releases out, the issues and the debate had moved far down the road.

This is, again, something that must be addressed if Dennis makes an '08 run. I devoutly hope he does, but I also devoutly hope he knows this time that his staff is competent, dedicated, ready to work and able to be trusted in selling him to the public.

4. As for PDA working with Dennis, we do so all the time. There are aspects to the relationship that I am not going to get into here, but know well that PDA, Dennis and the Progressive Caucus are all running at speed in the same direction.

So, basically, you don't know what you're talking about. Do better next time.

[NNadir]

49. No.

He's too flaky, babe or no babe.

We actually need a serious person to be President.

[MadHound]

51. Too flaky? Really

For wanting a Dept. of Peace. To halt our involvement in an illegal, immoral war? For wanting to help those of us who are in most desparate need? For wanting to reform politics and elections?

What exactly is flaky about that?

[NNadir]

53. We don't need a "Department of Peace." We need a functioning State

department.

The proposal for a Department of Peace is evidence of exactly how flaky Kucinich is. He seems not to understand how government should function. He thinks, apparently, that you accomplish more by dividing authority and accountability.

The President of the United States under the now dying US constitution had the authority to select the Secretary of State. The Secretary of State is supposed to conduct international relations with the idea of maintaining peace.

The last thing we need is to have foreign leaders in a time of crisis being confused about whom they should call, the Secretary of Peace or the Secretary of State.

The problems of the State Department these days is that it is run by incompetent amoral hacks like Colin Powell and Condelezza Rice. Neither of these will be remembered like George Marshall. George Marshall was Secretary of State and he maintained the Peace in Europe when it seemed impossible. In other words, he did his job.

[MadHound]

55. Then our military arm, the DoD should also fall under the SoS

Sadly, it doesn't. Thus, to maintain balance, yes, we should have a Dept. of Peace. While your description of the SoS's job duties is correct, on paper, in real life, especially under this administration, the SoS has simply become the bullying branch of the DoD.

And the DoD is only sixty years old, less actually. Why not incorporate both branches, War and Peace, back under the rubric of the SoS? Or leave them seperate, and take the diplomatic function away from the SoS? I think that either move would be beneficial, if for no other reason than putting peaceful solutions on par with DoD solutions.

And if this is your only objection to Kucinich, then it is almost damning with faint praise. Frankly I think that Kucinich is the most sensible of potential candidates out there, and like I've been told time and again here, you can't get everything you want in a candidate.:shrug:

[NNadir]

59. I think you still don't get it.

The point is that the practices of government are not improved by restructuring and creating confusion. It is improved by people administering their jobs correctly. The creation of yet another department will do nothing except create confusion and diluted responsibility.

My objection to Kucinich is not merely based however on his inability to comprehend government or administration. I appreciate that he opposed the war, as I did, but other than that, I see no evidence whatsoever that he is qualified by experience, temperament, or philosophy to be President of the United States. When I look through his statements and proposals in general, I find them completely confused and unworthy of a major political figure.

His dithering on the matter of reproductive choice alone is cause enough for me to reject him politically, but there are many other things which I do not care to detail.

But the matter is irrelevant. Kucinich has a small cadre of loyal followers - a group I find somewhat cultish - but he has never shown any ability to galvanize an appreciable fraction of voters in a primary. He will not be the Democratic nominee in 2008 if there is an election - even a fraudulent one - in 2008.

[MadHound]

65. Gee, thanks for the nice slapping insult

"Kucinich has a small cadre of loyal followers - a group I find somewhat cultish" Is that how you describe the supporters of other candidates, or just those with whom you disagree?

And I would propose that Kucinich's ability to "comprehend government or administration" is probably a hell of a lot better than yours. After all, he is a politician of national prominence. That in and of itself testifies to the fact that he does have the ability to both comprehend government and to work with, around, or over the obstacles one confronts there. And what exactly do you find "worthy" in a major political figure's statements and proposals? Something like Hillary's pro-war, pro-corporate agenda? Or Kerry's inability to win an election campaign against the worst president in modern, if not all, US history?

And if, as you hypothosize, "the practices of government are not improved by restructuring" why do both government and corporate entities constantly do this? For example, do you think we would be better off if Carter hadn't created the Dept. of Education? Would we better off if Carter hadn't created the Dept. of Health? Face it friend, both government and corporations do this same sort of restructuring all the time for two reasons, to put much needed emphasis on a particular problem, and to indeed streamline the solutions to said problem.

And as far as Kucinich's "dithering" on reproduction matters, I think that he is exhibiting a trait characteristic of all humans, he is reconsidering new evidence, new experiences, and is changing his mind. Something he has in common with Kerry, who changed his mind about the war, and many, many other politicians. Frankly, if you are going to reject Kucinich simply for this "dithering", then you're going to have to reject each and every single politician in existence, for they have all "dithered" on various issues, including those of reproductive rights. Damn, and they say we on the left are looking for purity:eyes:

So in parting, let me ask you this, as an opponent of this illegal, immoral war. If it comes down to two major candidates in the primaries, who are you going to vote for, the pro-war candidate like Hillary, or the decidedly anti-war Kucinich? Tens of thousands of lives hang in the balance friend, what will you do?

[NNadir]

67. Voting for Kucinich will not do anything to end the war.

This is because Kucinich will never be President of the United States, whether I vote for him or not.

I, by the way, am not running for President, so a comparison between my administrative skills and those of Kucinich is irrelevant. I note that some restructuring - both in government and business works - and some doesn't. The Department of Health - formerly Health, Education and Welfare was split up focus on existing issues with a clear division of responsibility. Health and Education are different professions. Diplomacy is one profession, however.

I have not been presented with the choice of whom to vote in the Primaries, therefore any attempt to get me to commit to Clinton vs. Kucinich is simply a straw man argument. www.fallacyfiles.org. I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election. I always do.

I am sorry if you feel insulted by my remarks on Kucinich and his followers. That's how I see it. I personally don't see Kucinich as a politician of much national stature and I am at a loss to see how anyone could define it as being so. Some people claim that L. Ron Hubbard is a religious visionary. I don't get that either. (I am, for the record, an atheist.)

[MadHound]

69. Let's see here, a member of the House

A former candidate for President, a politician writtne up in the national media, perhaps the reason YOU don't see him as a politician of much national stature is due to the fact that you've got those twin blinders on, the ones that consider him "flaky" and his followers "cultish" Perhaps you should remove them, OK.

And I love how you duck the hypothetical question. Why is that? It isn't a fallacy, it isn't a strawman argument, it is a hypothetical question, a perfectly valid one. That's OK, your non-answer answer gives me all the information I need to know, and yes friend, you will have blood on your hands also.

And NOW that I point out to you the restructuring of government that is an ongoing endeavour, you decide that OK, some restructuring is good, if it provides focus. Gee, I think a Dept. of Peace would provide just that sort of focus, don't you. No, sadly you think that such things as devoting a whole dept. to peace is just flaky:eyes:

So I suppose that we'll have to agree to disagree on this one friend. But before I go, I truly suggest that you go beyond the media portrayal of Kucinich, and get to know the man and the politician. I think you will be pleasantly suprised, and it would help you enormously when that hypothetical question I proposed ever becomes reality.

[NNadir]

70. I could run for President without being prominent.

Lyndon LaRouche runs for President every 4 years, like clock work. Except in the minds of his cultish supporters, LaRouche is not prominent nor should he be.

A hypothetical argument is indeed a straw-man argument, by definition. The question was "Is Kucinich a good candidate for President?" I answered no.

Hillary Clinton, the red herring, was brought into the exchange but was irrelevant to the question of whether Kucinich was a good candidate. The question of Kucinich's ability is wholly independent of the existence or stature or future of Hilliary Clinton or even Dick Cheney. If Hillary Clinton died tomorrow, it would have absolutely no effect on Kucinich's competence or lack thereof. I note that there are many other possible candidates for President other than Ms. Clinton.

The recognition of logical fallacies in argument requires clear thinking.

I did look into Kucinich during the 2004 election. I found him flaky. I was very unimpressed. I thought his effect on the campaign was basically negative since he lowered the amount of time available to serious candidates. He was a distraction in a very serious event. Indeed he continued his campaign after it had obviously failed. This was egoism only.

[MadHound]

73. I think you need to do two things before you proceed any further

I think that you need to look up the meaning of prominent first of all. The fact that you are comparing Kucinich, a member of the House of Represenatives, and nationally known politician, to LaRouche, who has never held national office, just goes to show that you don't know the meaning of the word.

I also think that you need to look up the definitions of hypothetical and straw man arguement. The fact that you are confusing the two shows a certain deficiency in your education.

Hillary wasn't a red herring either, she was part of my hypothetical question, which you haven't answered yet, instead choosing to dance around it with poorly represented definitions and straw man arguements of your own. However, the fact that you are doing so with such great vigour really answers the question for me anyway.

But as I said, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. But I really do think that you should answer my hypothetical question of voting for a pro-war candidate vs Kucinich, an anti-war candidate. As a self stated peace activist, don't you think it would look a little bit gauche to have blood on your hands?

Peace.

[NNadir]

74. Actually I have blood on my hands for failing to stop George W. Bush.

The question is not one of platitudes but of results.

I have failed in my opposition to the war, because I have failed to counter the prominent misrepresentations of certain politicians.

Kucinich would not have defeated George W. Bush. It would have been the real first cakewalk of the Bush presidency - and thus the effect would have been to have made George W. Bush stronger and therefore peace work weaker.

One of these politicians - the right wing Repuke apologist - Ralph Nader, was also very popular in so called "progressive" circles. He gave lip service to being against war, but the war came, after which he faded out of view. In the meantime he offered continuous Republican propaganda, spending most of his time bashing Democrats.

My congressman is a member of the House of Representatives and he is not prominent, though he is competent and a Democrat. He is Rush Holt. I note that there are 435 members of congress and the number of people who can name them all is rather small, maybe smaller than the congress itself.

I regret that you have failed to understand the nature of a logical fallacy and what constitutes a red herring and/or a straw man argument. I really didn't expect that you would be able to do so. I don't think I can really help you with this, since the confusion persists.

You are, of course, entirely free to go on making representations about the merits of Dennis Kucinich. He has, apparently, been successful in marrying a physically attractive woman. This is some success, I guess, although it is as irrelevant to the ultimate success of our country in maintaining respectable world citizenry as Kevin Federline's marriage to Brittany Spears..

I would have rather Kucinich had success in stopping the war than with finding yet another wife, but he, like you and like I, was ineffective at doing so. I find, however, your claim that anyone who doesn't support Dennis Kucinich has "blood on his hands" morally and intellectually appalling. I was at the two large anti-war demonstrations in New York with hundreds of thousands of other people, not many of whom were Dennis Kucinich. In fact, in the first demonstration, in freezing weather, the only Presidential candidate who had people working the crowd that I recall was Howard Dean. At that point, few people in the world had heard of Dr. Dean. All I knew about him at the time was that he was against the war in Iraq.

I don't recall lots of speeches at either protest about Dennis Kucinich; in fact I don't recall seeing a single thing about Dennis Kucinich at either protest. Dennis Kucinich is NOT god; nor is he the center or focus of the anti-war movement, though he may wish to represent himself as much. The claim that support for Dennis Kucinich = anti-war sentiment is muddled thinking of the type I associate with Kucinich and his supporters.

[MadHound]

76. Do you even read for comprehension

Or is your position so obviously intellectually bankrupt that you simply choose not to comprehend what I say? I have never, ever seen more spinning of a simple question, even from conservatives, than I have from you. To start with, I never, ever said that anybody who doesn't vote for Kucinich has blood on their hands, and if this is what you truly think that this is indeed what I said, then I give up. So c'mon, one time, without spin, show me the quote where I said this.

I give up with you. You obviously aren't going to address my points square on, nor are you willing to debate with any kind of honesty. So indeed, have yourself a fine day. And feel free to put in the last word here, since that seems to be the type of person you are. It won't matter anyway, since it will be desperately off topic and utterly meaningless.

[NNadir]

79. It is a relief to hear that you are giving up on me.

Please understand that I have as little respect for your thinking ability as you have for mine.

If Kucinich runs for the Presidency again, and if he ever becomes a serious candidate with an appreciable fraction of the vote in an important primary, the matter will become more than moot. However for the forseeable future, it is moot.

He has a great looking wife, and I am happy for him - the dating contest that characterized the 2004 primary season is now over, and assuming that he does not divorce again and he runs another quixotic campaign in 2008, we can at least be spared a repeat of that particular bit of embarrassing political theater. That said, I do not take him, or you, all that seriously.

It's been swell.

[newportdadde]

52. Nope he is too short. I'm saying this as a guy who is 5'7''.

Like my wife says "you would have had a lot more dates if you were just 2 or 3 inches taller so the girl could still wear all of her heels". Lack of height kills men.

Its the same as politics as it is in a corporation the one thing you rarely see in upper management is short guys and overweight/unattractive women. If they are there they had to absolutely outperform over and over again to reach that spot or incase of the woman she may have gotten there before she became overweight/unattractive.

I think Dennis is interesting, I enjoyed him in the debates but its all about the presentation. Dennis looks 'small/weak' and will seem very small next to an opponent who is say 6 foot. Trust me I think its a load of crap which I feel personally but thats the way it is.

[YOY]

56. The previous marriages kill him.

As much as I love the guy the "fambly (Grapes of Wrath anyone?) values" republicans would attack from that angle and win over retard America.

[rucky]

60. When I grow up, I want to be just like Dennis. n/t

61. Isn't the President supposed to be married

as a prerequisite for the Presidency (not a law, but just an expectation)

I would vote for Kucinich - he speaks from his heart and is not afraid at all to be progressive. We have a moron running the country now, why not an elf?

[messiah]

62. Nope alot of Democrats wont even vote for him

Democrats are to soft and scared to vote for Kucinich in the primaries.

[WI_DEM]

63. Is it his third marriage?

he is electable by me and other enlightened people who don't care, but I think some in "middle Amurika" may think three marriages is too many. That may be Feingold's problem too. Oh well, Reagan did do one thing--he made it possible for a divorced man to be elected president.

[mikelgb]

64. Dennis' Run in 04

is what eventually brought me to DU

[grace0418]

68. She looks a bit like Julianne Moore. Congratulations to the

happy couple. He's a good man, he deserves happiness.

[Hyernel]

71. No. He is not electable

[RB TexLa]

75. whoaaaa You Go, Dennis

Great for him and love what he does in the Congress but don't think he's electable.

[lovuian]

81. Dennis the Menace is totally electable and he got himseld a

cutie... He's a wonderful man... an AMERICAN...

[MaggieSwanson]

82. DJK has always been electable.

And Elizabeth is a lovely person, inside and out. I met her this past summer, a month or so before their wedding. She is truly a complimentary companion for Dennis, and I wish them every happiness.