Sometimes Bill Clinton can be one stupid sumbitch.

[kentuck]

I know that Bill Clinton is highly revered here by some. But, how could he have gone up to CT and support Joe Lieberman? It is becoming obvious to many that Joe Lieberman is being used by the Republicans to divide the Democratic Party. Not only that, he is giving the Republicans aid and assistance with their "pro-war" message in the Iraq War. Any Democrat that still does not see what Joe Lieberman is doing is either asleep or has his head in the sand. Joe Lieberman is a traitor.

[Warpy]

1. Lieberman was a high ranking Senator

and shared Clinton's pro corporate, anti labor conservatism.

That's why.

[Zhade]

8. ...

:spray:

Now that was a masterful turn! You opened with the standard apologist response, then flipped to the truth.

Well-played!

[zanne]

14. Zhade--Please tell me what ... means in a post heading! nt

[Zhade]

60. It's like a pause.

As in, "did I just see what I think I just saw?"

At least, for me.

[zanne]

74. Thank you, thank you!

I've been wondering about that for the longest time. I had asked other people what it meant a couple of times, but didn't get an answer. (I just have to know things like that). By the way, now I get it.

[Zhade]

104. I'm deeply inquisitive myself, so no charge.

:hi:

[Warpy]

44. Thanks, I'm glad somebody finally got it

You'd be surprised by how many people reply to the header and miss the message.

Thanks!

[Imagevision]

124. Especially when Lieberman bad-mouthed Bill during Monica episode

but then Bill is considered another son by Babs Bush also so it's mind boggling how all these creeps hang together??

[undeterred]

2. Same reason he gets together with Poppy

Bill indiscriminately loves EVERYBODY.

[MiaCulpa]

3. Bill Clinton: Evil Genius

Um, Lieberman lost, didn't he? ;)

[catbert836]

4. It's the DLC...

They always support their own, and this time they are happily dividing up their own party along with the GOP to support their pro-corporate agenda.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. In fairness to The Big Dog:

1. Lieberman most likely played down and denied what he had up his sleeve to everyone in the party.

2. Big Dog, as it typical, most likely wanted to keep fragmentation from occurring in the party and to keep from handing the repukes the opportunities that they have now exploited.

[WI_DEM]

32. Lieberman made no secret that if he lost the primary he would

run as an Indie and began collecting signitures. Maybe "Big Dog" should have made a firm promise from Lieberman--announce that he will not seek an Indie run and then he would come in.

[pa28]

118. That's what I was hoping when Clinton went out to campaign for him.

Sad that Joe had to abuse the courtesy a former President extended to him.

[demosincebirth]

37. That sounds right to me, but you won't convince many here.

[LiberalUprising]

81. So Big Dog was duped?

Lots o that going around the Dem party lately ...

[kaygore]

6. Boxer went to Connecticut for NomoreJOE, too

I think that NomoreJOE was trying to claim liberal credentials by having the likes of Boxer and Clinton come to his rescue; however, the Democrats in Connecticut were not that dumb.

I am very disappointed in Boxer but Clinton has been a sell out for a long time. In fact, I think that you'll find his picture in the dictionary under panderer!

[never_get_over_it]

34. Bernie Ward

who use to work for Boxer was speculating that maybe in the past Lieberman had helped Boxer raise money in her campaigns and she was returning the favor - for whatever reason her campaigning for that ASS was a HUGE disappointment

As for Bill who is really no liberal - was probably looking out for the best interest of Hill since her stance on Iraq hasn't been too far away from LIEberman's anyway....

[kaygore]

53. I agree, but Boxer has lost support for her PAC by helping NomoreJOE

I wonder if it was really worth losing her moral authoirty to help LIEberBUSH

[never_get_over_it]

54. Well in my mind it wasn't

and I called her office and let them know about it both before and after the primary election - I haven't even seen a statement from her that she is now supporting Lamont - when I called the day after the primary her DC staff didn't have an answer for me other than to say she was in CA... haven't followed up in a few days but I will tomorrow - I truly do love her and she truly disappointed me with this LIEberman BS

[bahrbearian]

80. I also was disappointed,, I had to change my Avatar....

Mr, Natural never disappoints.

[never_get_over_it]

82. Funny you should mention that

I have been thinking about changing mine most of today and if I do it will be to Russ Feingold....maybe I'll wait and see what her office tells me tomorrow

[bahrbearian]

85. I was going to go to Feingold too,,, but then later I might get

disappointed, so I then thought FDR, Jefferson,Zappa, Che Guevara,,but ya know Mr Natural fits Me just fine. "Keep On Trucking"

[kaygore]

119. I've called and written, too

Such a disappointment!

[Eric J in MN]

7. The theory that Lieberman agreed not to keep runinng

..if he lost, in exchange for Bill Clinton's support, is looking unlikely.

[John Q. Citizen]

9. Hey, I don't disagree with your original subject line, but it's

not relevant to Clinton's support of Joe in the primaries.

Clinton is now backing the Democratic nominee for US Senator from CT, Ned Lamont, and that's a good thing.

[kentuck]

11. link?

I hadn't heard that? That would be good news.

[John Q. Citizen]

15. Here's the link.

"But Clinton said Lieberman had been a strong supporter of his own economic, environmental and energy policies. Both Clinton and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), have said they support Lieberman in the primary but will back the Democratic nominee in November's general election."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/24/AR2006072401064.html


My bet is Clinton supporting Joe in the primaries saved Joe from a huge loss. He probably generated 5 to 7 points for Joe in the primaries alone.

What's Joe going to do when Bill appears with Ned?

I doubt Lieberman will last until the general election. There was a good analysis by I think Blumenthal? in Solon, that some one posted here. You can probably find it in a search.

[karynnj]

63. The problem is that Clinton

- campaigned with him and the video still exists and Lieberman can still use it.
- Clinton was prominent in ads praising Lieberman to the skies - I assume they can still be used - leading to the impression that Clinton still supports him
- He also taped robo calls by some accounts that went to all Democrats.

So, as that contest was Lieberman/Lamont this diminishes any impact of a Clinton endorsement of Lamont - making it look phony. I assume when Clinton appears with Lamont - Lieberman will play the Lieberman/Clinton ads at a very heavy rate and will say - that politics aside - Clinton knows he's the better candidate - after all in a Lamont/Lieberman race he heartily endorsed Lieberman.

[John Q. Citizen]

65. I suppose that could happen, but I believe it would backfire heavily on

Joe. Is he going to attack Clinton as a "flip flopper?"

Also, since Clinton has withdrawn his support of Joe, it would be perceived as extremely dishonest of Joe to do that.

And thirdly, Clinton only spoke to his support of Joe in the primaries. He's never attacked Lamont and I expect when he campaigns for Lamont (if it actually goes that far) he won't attack Joe.

As a Lamont supporter I can only hope Joe tries to pull that off. It would only hurt him.

[karynnj]

72. Attacking Clinton would be senseless

My point was that the ad I saw dealt only with a laundry list of things that Lieberman did that were good. I agree that he COULDN'T say that Clinton endorsed him in the general election - but he could say "this is what Clinton thought of the job he did as Senator and point out that a few months ago in the primary he preferred him to Lamont." NOT AN ANDORSEMENT, but simply defusing anything Clinton says of Lamont. (Also, people are likely to compare what Clinton said of each.)

[Imagevision]

125. Bill said he would support the winner of the Connecticut primary...

so that kills the idea of Lieberman playing any Clinton endorsement clips...

[bigtree]

18. I think it was just a check to the Lamont campaign

from Hillary.

I hate the triangulation. Waste of fucking time.

[truedelphi]

21. Pertinent Point!

[OzarkDem]

77. Agree, case closed

No need to rehash an ugly primary race.

[napi21]

10. I don't hold that against Bill, same as I don't hold it against

Chris Dodd, Hillary, or any of the other Dems who supported the sitting Senator...UNTIL HE LOST THE PRIMARY! You will note that BC, Hillary and all the other Dems are now backing Ned Lamont since HE won the primary in Ct.

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[John Q. Citizen]

23. Lieberman would have lost by much more if he hadn't called on old

friends and colleges to prop him up.

I think the human condition is that everyone at some point is probably a "stupid sumbitch" in one way or another.

That would include both myself and Ned Lamont, by the way, since we are both humans also.

But the reality now is Lieberman lost, and he's also lost the support of 99% of prominent Democrats, including Bill Clinton.

I truly doubt Joe Lieberman will go all the way to a second defeat. He will withdraw before the general election, but on his own terms.

[Name removed]

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[John Q. Citizen]

31. Well, we all have are own opinions, I guess. I'm sorry your guy

lost, but only because he had to spend twice as much money to do so. That's an astonishing waste of resoureces that could have been put to much better uses.

Now that Joe isn't a Democrat but a Liebercrat, are you still supporting him?

[MrBenchley]

33. Speaking of a waste of resources....

Consider that six months ago the Republicans had no chance in the world to pick up this Senate seat and the DSCC had a huge fundraising advantage over its Republican counterpart.

Then the Unknown Millionaire got involved, with his campaign of character assassination and dirty tricks (remember the "scandal" because Hamsher and some other asswipe were not allowed to disrupt the Bill Clinton event?). Today, instead of a safe seat we've got an uphill fight to hang on to the seat, and whatever fundraising advantage we had (and probably more) is going to have to be spent in Connecticut. Where not so long ago we didn't have to spend dime one.
And snuggling and playing kissy-face with Lamont on "victory" night was Al Sharpton, whose 2004 "quest for the White House" (hahahaha) WAS the work of a GOP operative with a history of dirty tricks.

"Roger Stone, the longtime Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000, is financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0204-09.htm

"are you still supporting him?"
As I've said more than once, I plan to give Lamont the same cheerful and enthusiastic support DUers give the accomplished and terrific members of the Democratic Leadership Council.

[John Q. Citizen]

36. You sound bitter in defeat. I can relate.

Defeat is a bitter pill to swallow.

But sooner or later we have to pick ourselves op and get on with life. Or not.

[MrBenchley]

40. That's okay

The Lamonties sound even more bitter in "victory"....as evidenced by this nasty little thread.

[kentuck]

41. "....nasty little thread"...

Thank you, Mr. Benchley. :)

[MrBenchley]

42. Always happy to speak the truth

[Duke Newcombe]

92. ...you forget, "...to Power"

;)

Duke

[fishwax]

115. Lieberman's candidacy is the only reason we have to keep spending money

in that race. Lamont versus Schlesinger would not be a particularly competitive race.

[bling bling]

70. Sore winners.

I think you're right. What sense does it make to continue ripping on one of our most liberal senators (Boxer) and a B. Clinton who isn't an elected rep AFTER Lamont won. It would make more sense to get over it and move on to focus on November races such as in Missouri.

Anybody got anything good to say about the Dem (Claire McCaskill) challenging the incumbant (Jim Talent) or should we just rip on her too and leave Republicans out of the whole conversation?!

[Name removed]

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[Taverner]

13. Politics. Merely Politics

Everyone owes someone something in DC

Lieberman called up everyone who owed him to throw in their support while he sunk. They did, he did and its over.

[savemefromdumbya]

93. you could be right

[Zhade]

107. He called in all favors, and still lost.

Man, that still makes me smile.

[Dogmudgeon]

16. WHORES! TRAITORS! WHORES! TRAITORS!

Uh ... who are we talking about again?

--p!

[Mr_Spock]

98. Exactly

Another gutless pile-on the good guys cause it's easier post :eyes:

[kentuck]

109. Uh-huh...

I think it is very important the role Joe Lieberman is playing and how some Democrats are not yet wise to it. But Mr. Spock sees, right? :)

[Mr_Spock]

120. Don't think we are smarter than they are

It's a calculated choice they make - the strategy involves sending the right people for the right job. It may not be that well coordinated, but they are not as dumb as we think they are. Also, we're talking about someone who is a common citizen now (with a huge following nonetheless). Joe has been around a long time - back when politicians seemed to have at least some honor - Bill C. is old school too. Times are a changin' and these situations are bound to occur.

[justanothercitizen]

17. Two Reasons

One--Hillary and Joenomentum are members of the Incumbent Party. They IP members believe they have a right to re-election, regardless of what the voters think about it.

Two--Bill has spent too much time drinking the Koolaid with Poppy & Co.

[truedelphi]

19. Reason Three: After about 1995, was Clinton even a Democrat?

A lot of folks I know refer to him as "the best Republican President we ever had"

[MrBenchley]

22. You really ought to get to know some sane folks....

[John Q. Citizen]

24. I have heard that argument, and it does have

some merit. But the reality is any one whose a member of the party is in fact a Democrat.

Joe Lieberman used to be a Democrat, but is no longer.

I think he's calling himself a Liebercrat now, or something like that. ;)

[Duke Newcombe]

88. Not "Republican" by a dang sight...

...just a WINNER. You know, something we've replicated over and over since his leaving office and all...what with our run to the left and "speaking truth to power"...instead of speaking to the people</SARCASM>

Duke

[mitchum]

95. Fuck DLClinton! We lost Congress on his watch...what kind of winning...

is that?

[Name removed]

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[Duke Newcombe]

99. Hm...thanks for playing,...

...but no, my friend, I'm not a denizen of this Freerepublic.com you speak of.

Tell me-is that how it works in your corner of the world--any Dem that doensn't agree with you is a Freeper? I can see why it makes for short conversations with you.

And yes, by the run to the left that mirrors the run to the right that the Republicans is useless for getting the majority of center-left Americans to agree and vote for you.


Regards,

Duke

[mitchum]

101. BULLSHIT! So you just happened to join on Aug 10 and just happen...

to parrot the the right wing talking point of the Dems "run to the left"?
Of course....
Go ahead and alert on this one also, Skippy. I'll be around a long time

[Duke Newcombe]

103. thanks...

I too look forward to the future of many level-headed, inclusive and respectful posts that you'll put up when you're not busy smoking and stuff...

Good day to you, sir

<ploink!>

Duke

[mitchum]

106. Search while you can, my friend

[newyawker99]

69. Hi justanothercitizen!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[justanothercitizen]

75. Thank You Newyawker99!

[tabatha]

20. Lieberman support

It may have been a reasonable move, because then Lieberman could not turn around and blame the Democrats for his loss - as he would have done. Instead he looks ridiculous blaming the netroots - and has veered toward the Republicans without any justification, because he was supported by Democrats initially.

[John Q. Citizen]

26. That's very true, and some good points made. n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

83. That support should have come with a quid pro quo, IMO.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. He supports Joe&Hillary's position on the war.

While he's certainly not "dumb" his ethics are very questionable..as they always have been. No, I'm not talking about his sex life.

[LWolf]

29. I disagree.

Not stupid, just with a different agenda and motivation than me.

I disagree with Clinton in many areas, and have since before he became President, but I've never underestimated his intelligence.

[Gman]

30. I think Clinton's CT visit was to show

support for the incumbent Democrat. By doing this, Clinton effectively innoculated a lot of people againt any back lash from not supporting Lieberman's indy bid. They can all say, "Joe, we supported you but you didn't win."

I think Clinton's smart like a fox. Like it or not, Lamont's victory wasn't exactly overwhelming. 48% is real close. 2.1% the other way and Lieberman wins. Lieberman's 48% is a lot of Democratic voters that can't be overlooked or ignored.

[kentuck]

45. I think Bill was the de facto spokesman for much of the Party...

who did not want to turn off the Lamont supporters but still wanted to support one of their own. Why not get the elder of the Party, Bill Clinton, to take care of the job?

[Gman]

71. Agreed

[glitch]

35. Stupid only if he truly wanted Lieberman to win. What did his support

remind everyone of? Lieberman's nasty speech in the Senate about Clinton's infidelity and Clinton's graceful forgiveness of that abuse.

[DURHAM D]

38. I think anyone who does not realize that if Joe wins the

general election (as an independent) he can caucus with the Repugs is "one stupid sumbitch".

Better yet, he can change his registration at any time to (R).

Making nice with Joe was essential for the Dems to keep him at least somewhat in place.

[kentuck]

39. And you wanna make nice with this type of person?

That may change his registration to (R) at any time? In fact, he probably will. As soon as they can talk Schlesinger into dropping out of the race.

[DURHAM D]

46. If by chance the Senate split becomes 49 (D) to 50(R) -

who do you want Lieberman to caucus with ? Or, 50(D) to 49(R) - what side of the isle do you want him on?

I can't stand the man but he can become the most powerful person in the Senate if he gets elected as an independent.

His liberal voting numbers are around 90%. I would rather hold my nose and have him in our huddle than with the enemy. Do you think Clinton hasn't thought this through? Chairing the committees is everything.

[kentuck]

47. "...the most powerful person in the Senate if he gets elected "..?

even most scary. I would rather have a Republican Senate. Sorry.

[DURHAM D]

48. Really - than you are in the wrong place.

Which is what I thought from your original post.

[kentuck]

49. If you say so...

I don't like traitors and I don't like people that suck up to traitors and I don't like people that vote with traitors. To suggest that we would be better off with Joe Lieberman caucusing with the Democrats is like saying we would be better off with George Bush sitting with the Democrats. No thanks! If that's the Party you want, you can have it.

[DURHAM D]

50. This country would be better off if George Bush set with

Dems and learned a thing or two about citizen concerns.

Bye-bye.

[kentuck]

51. But the fallacy in your logic...

is that Bush could possibly learn...

[truedelphi]

123. But ya know, we still have to occasionally WISH

that George Bush would come on down

(It's even a refrain in the post-katrina rapper song "George Bush don't like black people")

At some point in time, the "leaders" will have to follow the lead of the people

i just hope it's BEFORE most of the world is incinerated

[bling bling]

108. WTF??? I ususally hate it when people say this, but in your case

I think it applies: are you SURE you're in the right place? This is the DEMOCRATIC Underground, not the friggin Anti-Joe Lieberman Underground.

You'd rather have a Republican Senate than for Lieberman to have some label of being powerful? Holy batshit craziness.

I see where your priorities are. Anyone who would rather have a Republican Senate is no ally to the party. At least not to the DEMOCRATIC party.

Good gawd.

[kentuck]

110. Can't you see that he's a traitor?

He is not on your side. He is going to lose the election for the Democratic nominee. So, he's hurt and he's pissed? So get the fuck over it! You didn't own the Senate seat. You lost. Get it?

[bling bling]

113. How is what you said not also being a traitor?

Your words, not mine:

"...the most powerful person in the Senate if he gets elected "..?
even most scary. I would rather have a Republican Senate. Sorry.

Shudder.

Shameful. You've been on this board for a long time, I know. And I respect most of your posts. But to say you'd rather have a Repubican Senate is about the most eyebrow raising thing I've seen from someone who wasn't an obvious troll or disruptor who's motives are obvious. What in the world are you thinking?? Out of spite you'd rather the country, the world, continue to suffer and live in nonstop state of shock, embarrassment, anger and the list is too long to go on? Because you couldn't stand the thought of Lieberman being considered a swing vote therefore "powerful" you'd rather have these crazy wacko's in charge?

Do you take the damage done to our country by the Repubicans over the last 6 years seriously or are you just here for the fun of it? Do you not care about the dangerous implications that this brood of thugs poses to posterity? Do you not see that this is not a joke, or some childish game to be carelessly calling out voters and telling them to essentially go fuck off because if they support Lieberman we don't need them in our party?!! What is that?? And what good is it to call out Bill Clinton and Barbara Boxer? What in the world is going through some of your heads? This isn't a netroots strategy, it's the most immature and counter-productive type of political action I've ever seen in my life. It's Democratic Party assassination from the inside! Who needs enemies with friends like this? Seriously?

Who gives a shit if Lieberman is pissed? Who gives a shit if he's hurt? I certainly don't. Do you know the states that have Republican seats that we're trying to win? Do you know the names of any of the Democrats trying to win those seats?

I'm not trying to get you to change your disklike of Lieberman. And I can't control you, obviously, but I sure wish you wouldn't start threads like this that do nothing to help us for the upcoming election yet literally could hurt us. It's a diversion, divisive, and has the potential to influence people to either not vote or to vote for Lieberman just to spite you and defy such a mean-spirited attack on anyone who disagrees with you.

[kentuck]

114. Although it would be a close call...

I cannot imagine Joe Lieberman being "...the most powerful person in the Senate if he gets elected "..? I don't know if it would make a big difference, considering his recent politics. Perhaps it's better to have the elephant under the tent pissing out than outside pissing in?? Who is most trustworthy : A person you know is a Republican or one that only acts like a Republican while claiming to be a Democrat? Now you may logically conclude the latter is the better pick? I'm still not sure...

[cmkramer]

66. There is absolutely no evidence

that Lieberman would caucus with anyone other than Democrats. Most of the Democrats who ended up switching sides were Zell Miller clones -- Democrats who almost always sided with Republicans. Lieberman's always been a loyal Democrat.

[w4rma]

87. The evidence is that LIEberman is parroting Cheney.

And they *both* called ME a helper of Al Queda along with 80% of registered Democrats in the country and a majority of independents.

[Rex]

43. Bill's a private citizen now, allowed to make stupid mistakes and

not get impeached. I personally think he drank the kool-aid with Poppy Bush. They both act clueless when it comes to Baby Bush destroying planet Earth!

[mystique]

52. Actually...

I think he is being a smart cookie for his wife in 2008. Joe has attracted many Reps to his side, so showing some support for him draws some Rep votes for Hillary.

[Rex]

57. Well they are moderates, but tend to hang around the center way

too much lately. IMO.

I'd love to see Hillary crush Jeb like an insect in debates. I think she is the one who can do it.

[mystique]

59. You are right...

But they have to, don't you see?? I hate to say this, but majority of Americans are too gullible. And Democrats don't understand that.

[Rex]

62. I'm sure it scares them, watching the masses.

True some Dems (Joe) still want to run against other Dems, because they lost. I guess the Dem party is kinda helter-skelter right now.

Hey, at least our 'Leader' hasn't fractured our party into 3 main parts (all mad at each other)! Anythings better than being a Republican!

[Duke Newcombe]

105. here, here!!!

[karynnj]

64. While Hillary may be able to crush Jeb in a debate, she's hardly the only

one. I saw Hillary debate in 2000 - and she was ok. Just, ok. John Kerry would absolutley kill him as he did his big brother and tougher opponents like Governor Weld. Al Gore has at least as much chance as Hillary.

[Duke Newcombe]

90. yeah...how dare they hang around...

with where the majority of the American people "live" politically...away from the poles...<sigh>

Duke

[earth mom]

58. Both Bill AND Hillary drank the kool aid.

:puke:

[indygrl]

55. Bill Clinton

Some of you people sound like you hate Bill Clinton as much as you do Bush. There were a couple of things I didn't like that Clinton supported but for the most part he was an excellent President. He knew what was going on and could answer any question about anything without stuttering and stammering. He has a brilliant mind and knows how to use it yet maintains his ability to talk to and interact with people of all walks of life. If he had the house and senate like Bush does now he would have gotten a lot more done. As it was we had a pretty darn good economy and for the most part kept us out of wars. Al Gore has good reviews here. If Clinton had been so bad Al Gore's name would never be considered. Clinton is well liked and respected abroad and still has clout. I wish we had someone like him to run in 08, in my opinion the next best thing is Wes Clark.
Ok, pile on.

[kentuck]

56. I think the majority here respect Bill Clinton...

and do ot argue that he was a thousand times better than the imbecile presently occupying space in the White House. My OP was not meant to demean Bill Clinton or his accomplishments - just that sometimes he can do some stupid shit. I'm sure he would agree with that. :)

[mitchum]

102. I have no respect for DLClinton

[Raydawg1234]

61. I had my doubts about clinton when I saw him and Karl Rove chatting it up

at some White House event.

[Duke Newcombe]

91. He's allowed to TALK with "The Other"...

it's not like we're the Crips and Bloods...although it does seem to play out that way...

Duke

[kentuck]

111. It's much worse than Crips and Bloods, Duke...

Many more people are dying and this bunch is much more dangerous. Hadn't you heard?

[fishwax]

67. it's not hard to figure out, nor is it particularly stupid

to support an old friend in the democratic primary. Now that Lamont has won, he continues to support and work for the democratic candidate.

[upi402]

68. Republicans always back each other. Good at that and dirty politics

Seems like to them there ain't but two kinds of people in the world;

workers
and
friends of this thing of ours

[Upfront]

73. Joe

Joe no longer speaks for the Democratic party. Bush can no longer use Joe as his token Democratic supporter. I think that is a good thing. Thanks Connecticut.

[ecstatic]

76. it confuses the repukes. don't ya think?

Now their stupid theories (re: Dem party turning far far left) have a big loophole in them. Furthermore, how will they reconcile Clinton's actions with their portrayal of H. Clinton being on the far left?

[BlueJac]

78. Just like Hilary....

Play to the middle of the road....these people are for exporting American jobs, thus exporting the American economy!

[gully]

79. Clinton did so before JL lost the election. It doesn't make him "dumb."

eom

[vssmith]

84. Dont kid yourself he has some self-serving motive.

[PATRICK]

86. Stupid or soft

in not trading that support for the condition that Joe stop the Independent run idea. Maybe Clinton does not bring himself down in this mess but he still exhibits a fatal political weakness in dealing with this crisis and strengthening the party.

Maybe he does favor some of Joe's stands and the voting record is pretty good Dem stuff, but that has nothing to do with political maladroitness and damaging softness- then doing what he can to make matters worse.

I could begin a tirade on either the person or the philosophy, but I hope we can get beyond these errors and win because it is the people's party and the people are way ahead of the worng-headed leadership. The GOP gets away with mammoth political gaffes and abuses big time. Let's just make sure we don't put the top of OUR party into the wrong hands come 2008.

[indepat]

89. Me thinks the head is up their own asses rather than in the sand

[mitchum]

94. DLClinton is no friend of progressives. Fuck him and the elephant...

disguised as a donkey he rode in on.

[Mr_Spock]

97. He did it before the election to support a three-term Senator

It's not unusual though I did not like it.

Why, is he still talking up Lieberman, or are you one of those people who likes piling on your own after they have been proven wrong?

This post didn't take a lot of guts.

[Raine]

100. I'm over my love 'affair' with Clinton

he irritates me more and more and looking back the liberal Democrats really got squat from him when he was prez.:-( Clinton was probably the best Republican President their side ever had but the GOPers are too STUPID and hateful to realize it.

[kentuck]

112. You're so vain you probably think this post is about Bill Clinton.

It's not. It's about the traitor, Joe Lieberman. I apologize for the mis-labeling. :)

[Bucky]

116. Stupid like a fox

He had everything to gain from supporting Lieberman in the primary and everything to lose if he supported Lamont. Really, it was as much a no-brainer as choosing to support the eventual nominee in November. This was not a race that endorsements were going to effect. I'm surprised anyone can't see this. This endorsement (which was pretty tepid, if you look at Clinton's actual "wiggle room" word) was about Bill keeping Bill relevant among all factions in the party.

Business as usual. Move on.

[Fleshdancer]

117. My only guess:

Maybe he thinks the DLC made him when, in reality, it was him who made the DLC. :shrug:

[OneBlueSky]

121. DLC = PNAC Lite . . . enablers of the BushCo agenda . . . n/t

.

[vssmith]

122. There are two things Bill Clinton really likes

One, staying in the limelight
Two, well we all know what that is!

[Virginia Dare]

126. Whatever the reason...

it's not because he's dumb. In fact, I think Bill Clinton is one of the most brilliant politicians to come down the pipeline in a long time. At any rate, politics doesn't always make sense to us outsiders, but I'm quite sure in his mind there was a very good reason.