"Big Dog" and every other Natl' Dem who stumped for Lieberman...

[WI_DEM]

had every right to stump for Lieberman in the primary, but given Joe's statements that if he lost he would run as an Independent and his beginning to collect signitures for such a run they should have demanded that BEFORE they went into CT to campaign for him that he renounce any Independent run. Only then would they come in and campaign for him. Doesn't that make sense?

Then if he changed his mind after losing the primary he would be 1) a flip-flopper and 2) Everyone would see that his highly touted "integrity" means nothing except looking out for what is best for Joe Lieberman.

I'm surprised that the big name Dems who went into CT. didn't put such conditions on their support.

[eleny]

1. I figure they banked on him winning

Maybe they couldn't see that their influence might not be the winning factor. Connecticut voters gave them something to think about. Especially that huge group of Indies that changed their registration to Dem and voted for Lamont.

[speedoo]

2. I thought Clinton campaigned for JoeLoser on the condition...

that JoeLoser would support the primary winner. I recall reading this and feeling better about Clinton supporting him.

Anyone else remember this? Am I recalling incorrectly, or is JoeLoser just ignoring his commitments, which is certainly possible, since his public statements indicate a loss of brain function.

[WI_DEM]

3. If that is the case why isn't Clinton calling him on it?

and I mean openly.

[speedoo]

18. Well, seems like my recollection is correct.

My only explanation for dems not calling JoeLoser on his promises is that they want to give him a chance to come to his senses. Maybe they figure that they need to take it easy on him for a while and let the fact that his political career is over just settle in.

[RufusEarl]

17. I remember it !

And it's just as you said. Keep in mind Joe could give up his indy bid at any time, and i believe he will.

Big Dog, made a deal with Joey, and Joey will give up his bid for an indy challenge.

[rubberducky]

4. I could be wrong, but I

thought that was a condition at least for Clinton.

[WI_DEM]

8. but again, did why didn't he have him say so publicly? and why

didn't show his good faith by stopping the petition drives? And why isn't Clinton calling him on it now if he gave him his word?

[Lurking Dem]

5. You might find this interesting

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/weekinreview/13leib.html?_r=1&ref=weekinreview&oref=slogin

The Nation
With Friends Like Joe’s ...


By MARK LEIBOVICH
Published: August 13, 2006

Washington


JOE LIEBERMAN has many “good friends” among Senate Democrats, a point that’s been jack-hammered home in recent days by all the colleagues who have lined up to tout their fondness for him — usually right before they declare, in so many words, that they want him to lose to a man most have never met.

Political friendships are mythologically flimsy and perishable partnerships. They are born largely of expedience, a point that should come as a yawning non-shocker to anyone in Official Washington, where the mantle of friendship — “my good friend,” “great friend,” “dear friend” — is applied as freely as hairspray.

In many ways, friendships in Washington are no different than they are in any other competitive and zero-sum realms, like Wall Street, Hollywood or, for that matter, high school. But the Connecticut Senate race has cast the provisional nature of political friendships into particularly stark relief.

Mr. Lieberman, the three-term incumbent who lost Tuesday’s Democratic primary to Ned Lamont, a Greenwich businessman, says he plans to continue his campaign as an independent. In the process, he has achieved an odd pariah status among many of his “good friends” in the Democratic Party who have arrayed themselves in near-lockstep behind Mr. Lamont. Only a trickle of Senate Democrats say they will continue to support Mr. Lieberman, although many had endorsed him in the primary.

[MADem]

7. And this bit at the end is certainly telling....

...Mr. Lieberman is known to take political snubs more personally than most, say people who know him. Even so, Mr. Lieberman has been around a long time and knows the political kabuki as well as anyone. He has attended his share of “Democratic Unity” events over the years, too.

One of these occurred in March 2004, at the National Building Museum in Washington, when Mr. Lieberman joined the other losing Democratic presidential candidates of that year to rally around their presumptive nominee, John Kerry. In his brief remarks, Mr. Lieberman took note of all the nasty things they had all said about one another during the proceeding months. Then he shrugged.

“It’s like what Emily Litella said,” Mr. Lieberman said, referring to the old “Saturday Night Live” character played by Gilda Radner. “Never mind.”

[WI_DEM]

11. it's admirable that so many national dems are behind Lamont

but they should have made sure that Lieberman repudiated publicly any intentions to run as an Independent prior to coming into CT.

[ribrepin]

6. Murtha

I found it odd that the big name democrats came running to campaign for Joe, but seem to sit on the sidelines as the Cons try to swift boat Murtha. I don't know Murtha's district so maybe it's better the Dem's appear to distance themselves.

I worry about Murtha because he has stood up to these rat bastards and the Dem's seem to be standing around watching to see if he survives the attacks.

[MADem]

9. Murtha is a REP, Joe is a Senator, and there are only a hundred

in that club, compared to 435 lesser lights in the House.

The Senators get more time in the spotlight than the reps, too, as they have much larger constituencies and a higher profile than most reps do.

[never_get_over_it]

10. Might be because I believe Murtha has stated

that if the Dems take back the House he is going to challenge Peolosi for Speaker - and I for one would support that in a freaking heart beat....

[salin]

12. except on the war, I believe that Murtha is a fairly conservative dem

I want someone to fight the bush agenda on ALL areas, not just Iraq.

[Zhade]

15. He is, but that doesn't diminish his stance on the war.

He's right there.

[salin]

16. Agreed. Just saying that I don't know

that I would prefer him as Speaker over Pelosi.

[ribrepin]

13. I would too

He may not support the party line on abortion, but at least he's consistent. He doesn't believe in taking a human life whether it's in the womb or in an unwinnable war.

Does anyone know how he's doing in Pennsylvania?

[msongs]

14. OR... the voters in connecticut should make the final decision

no outsider has a right to come in a make preconditions or demands. Sounds like things a wife beater does before he whacks his woman.

do you support democracy?

the voters have spoken and the people criticized on this issue have fallen in line with the voters' will.

with a few exceptions.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/2007politicalcalendars.htm

[cmkramer]

19. I can't imagine

that nearly every Democrat who campaigned with him didn't tell him that they would be supporting the winner of the primary in the general election.