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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:16 PM
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Please don't fund anti-Democrat anti-liberal pro-Lieberman Kinky Friedman

Some ill-informed Democrats (lots of them out of state, but unfortunately some of them here at DU) are sending money to Kinky Friedman's campaign because they think it's funny that we have a Jesse Ventura/Arnold Schwarzenegger-type moron fucking up the governor's race here in Texas.

Please help put a stop to that crap because it's not funny to us down here in Texas.

Kinky is a big supporter of this new "Zell Lieberman." On Joe Scarborough's show this week, Kinky praised Lieberman for leaving the Democratic Party, and Kinky suggested liberals were anti-American:

SCARBOROUGH: Hey, Kinky, could the argument be that both parties are extreme, vote for the new independent?

FRIEDMAN: That could certainly be. I think the mood of the country is really, really independent. I mean, I think the winds of change are really blowing right now. And all the—the way I see Lieberman, he's very—he's pro-America, unashamedly, and he's pro-Israel. And these liberals are not.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14285602

This bullshit echoes Kinky's support for Bush:

Question: So does this idea of the honorable cowboy have anything to do with why you threw your support behind President Bush in this last election? You did, didn’t you?
Kinky: Yes. I did in this last election, but I didn’t vote for him the first time.
Question: Who did you vote for in 2000?
Kinky: I voted for Gore then. I was conflicted. . .but I was not for Bush that time. Since then, though, we’ve become friends. And that’s what’s changed things.
Question: So it’s your friendship with him that’s changed your mind about having him as president more than his specific political positions?
Kinky: Well, actually, I agree with most of his political positions overseas, his foreign policy. On domestic issues, I’m more in line with the Democrats. I basically think he played a poor hand well after September 11. What he’s been doing in the Near East and in the Middle East, he’s handling that well, I think.

http://www.ruminator.com/content/040501.html (please also bear in mind that Kinky's claim to have voted for Gore in 2000 is a straight-up lie because Kinky's voting records confirm Kinky didn't vote in any elections for at least a decade before his vote for Bush in 2004. http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4517585 ).

Please help us shut this clown down in Texas: next time you hear some Democrat expressing interest in Kinky, please slap them.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:36 PM
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1. So Kinky's a Lieberman fan, a friend of w's and a liar.
'Nuf said.

Thanks for the info, good job on the research.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:38 PM
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2. He's running a really smart campaign. He'll sell lots of books this way
He'll still finish in 4th place. He's exactly the kind of ass clown the Founding Fathers worried about running for office when they wrote the Constitution. They put their trust in democracy, however, and now democracy is trusting in us to smack this weasel down.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:51 PM
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3. If "smart" = re-electing the GOP governor who makes Bush look moderate, I
agree.

Kinky has boosted his book sales, he's boosted his record sales, and Kinky even got a reality TV show on the Country Music Channel out of his campaign, but the cost to Texans is that the Democrat who had a real chance in a three-way race (between Democrat Bell, Republican Perry, semi-Republican Strayhorn) because Perry is polling in the mid-30s and many statewide Democrats get between 40% to 45% of the statewide vote here in Texas is seeing a very tough fight in a four-way race with a semi-Republican joke candidate splitting the anti-incumbent vote too much to oust Perry even though Perry's only garnering 35% support (we have a plurality election here in Texas so Perry could win with that paltry level of support).
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:54 PM
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4. I don't know I think Strayhorn may be the biggest loser this time
However, I do heartily agree that Kinky is an ass clown. :D
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:12 AM
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7. She'll have to dip big. Last I saw, she's running 2nd place in polls
I agree that she won't finish above Bell, but more people among likely voters are taking her seriously than are thinking about voting for Friedman. I figure they'll both end up in the 5-15% range. But I'd put good money on her doing better than him.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:16 AM
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8. She's running 4th is several polls, but she ties Bell for 2nd in Rasmussen
along with Kinky.

Here is a good blog on Strayhorn: http://anyonebutc4n3p.blogspot.com/
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:29 AM
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9. I'm still not willing to bet she won't finish dead last.
She's earning herself some hatred for her tactics. Her court battle to use the name "grandma" ticked off some otherwise potential voters. I guess she forgot whose tax dollars pay for the court system and her free publicity stunt. Oddly enough it was the very demographic she was trying to sway with the term who seem to have seen the stunt for what it was. She's been dropping like a rock ever since.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:38 AM
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10. She's got millions and will finish third after a huge ad blitz. Kinky gets
4th.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:47 AM
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12. And then he makes millions selling his book and pimping his face on TV
That ending wouldn't surprise me either.

Actually, I wish Strayhorn would pick up in the polls. She's more inclined to hurt Perry than she is to harm Bell. But Perry's people are well aware of that fact and are prepared attack her if she threatens his lead.

I also heard that Kinky was getting some very large republican donations. I've not done any checking yet to see if there's any truth to the rumor, however.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:27 AM
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16. Interesting info. I still think Strayhorn is hurting Bell more.
Thanks for the information. Friedman (I won't say "Kinky" anymore than I'd call the California governor "Arnold", cause I don't find them all that personable) Friedman is mostly going to draw in 1st-time-voters and a smidge of "reflex" voters from both parties. I don't see him hurting anyone. He's noise. He's the clown juggling in the spotlight while the roadies wheel the next big act's equipment into the center ring. I think he tops out at 10%. The only question is whether he gets tiresome to many of his potential voters--really a question of how much exposure he gets.

Strayhorn is a mystery still. She's really pulling in an alert population base--those who used to be Bentsen Democrats. They know Perry's doing a crappy job, they think the Republicans go too far in slanting government toward business interests. But they can't quite swallow voting for a liberal (even a pro-business liberal like Bell). But that's a cultural hang up they have. If "Grandma" drops far down enough in the polls below Bell, they'll start jumping ship. The question with her voters is whether they can be coaxed to voting for Bell or if they default back to Perry.

Bell is still a long shot. Strayhorn is more like a "Hail Mary pass". Friedman is a bat out of hell.

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:41 PM
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38. Right now Strayhorn and Perry are willing to duel it out one each other
I still don't see this as all that bad for Bell if they spend their money smearing one another. Let Strayhorn dip deep into her pockets attacking Perry, and may Perry spend his time poking Strayhorn with very sharp sticks!

After Bell came to our area and people got a chance to hear him and his views I keep hearing his name being brought up more and more. Before his visit it felt hardly anyone knew his platform. Now they're talking among themselves without my having to bring him up. This is how you win back this state, in my humble opinion.



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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:57 PM
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5. There is a great list of Kinky's quotes at stopkinky.blogspot.com:
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 12:47 AM by Czolgosz
1. Who said we should punish criminals by sending them to prison and making them "listen to a Negro talking to himself"?

2. Who said "Negro ... is a charming word"?

3. Who said "Mexico is not a poor country"?

4. Who said "good fences make good neighbors, and, Mr. Fox, help us build that fence"?

5. Who said "I will divide the border into five jurisdictions, assigning one Mexican general to each and providing a trust fund for that general"?

6. Who said "all of these politicians are afraid of offending Hispanics ... I want the border off the evening news until we get something resolved"?

7. Who said the Tejano protesters marching in favor of immigration reform are "half playing hooky"?

8. Who said "every crazy redneck in Texas is already supporting me"?

9. Who said we should grant "amnesty for hard-working illegal immigrants already in this country"?

10. Who said "I'm not pro-life, and I'm not pro-choice. I'm pro-football"?

11. Who said "I have mixed feelings on parental notification" about abortions for girls under the age of 18 and "on the counseling requirement, I'm not sure, but I know the less I talk to social workers, the better. No issue with the public-funding restrictions, but I would want to investigate further"?

12. Who said "you uppity women I don’t understand why you gotta go and try to act like a man"?

13. Who said "I am not anti-death penalty"?

14. Who said "let's do away with the death penalty"?

15. Who said of Bush's Iraq War "I agree with most of his political positions overseas, his foreign policy"?

16. Who said what Bush has "been doing in the Near East and in the Middle East, he’s handling that well, I think"?

17. Who said my "voting record doesn't look strong, but my voting record is better than Dick Cheney's"?

18. Who said "I am going to see non-denominational prayer and the Ten Commandments put back in the schools"?

19. Who said we should turn over public school physical education classes to corporations and charge them whatever they will pay to "get their hooks into the athletes while they’re still young"?

20. Who said "I've been stoned a lot of times ... and I don't regret any of it ... I quit doing cocaine when Bob Marley fell out of my left nostril"?



All the sources for each of these quotes are over at http://stopkinky.blogspot.com.



PS YOU HAVE TO SEE THE VIDEO REFERENCED IN QUOTES #1 AND #2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=C9mXTxEQI3A
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:58 PM
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6. *uck Kinky and everyone who is stupid to support him.
eom
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:39 AM
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11. Thank you for informing DU, Czolgosz!
You've done a great service! :toast:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:49 AM
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13. I think donations should be limited to only those who live in their state.
It just seems to me that the people represented should have the say in who's representing them. They are the only ones who can vote for them - and we know that donations can mean a lot more than votes, so why not limit those too?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:19 AM
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15. Consider Lamont. Yours is good in theory, but recognition is
also the name of the game. And it's proved to be very powerful.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:21 PM
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42. That's an interesting point & I'm going to have to do some research.
I'm not sure who raised more money - Lamont or Lieberman? A quick google search only turned up recent articles on the post-primary donations so I'll have to look into it when I have more time. And, I'll have to see what percentage came from out of state too. Obviously it's only one case, but it will still make an interesting study.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:00 AM
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14. Please consider what is said here by the OP; and then
do what you think is best with your fundings. That is the democratic way after all. Sorry, I think it un-democratic to tell people what to do with their campaign funding. I am pleased however to be informed of this bit of news as it would definitely effect my decision if I still lived in texas.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:01 AM
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18. Think of it as a request then. (nt)
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:39 AM
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19. It was but a request, as one might surmise from use of the word "please."
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:19 AM
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23. Please think of it as a request then. (nt)
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 02:01 AM
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17. okay, no prob...I hear Chris Bell
is going to mop them all up. He is a great Democrat...forced Strayhorn (member Scottie's mom?) to give back $30,000. of ill gotten gains. It will be a good day for Texas when they get to sweep those creeps out.
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mykpart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 03:02 AM
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20. Here's what convinced me:
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:09 AM
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22. Didn't this play any role in convincing you?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 03:18 AM
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21. The first thing I did with ths month's pay
was donate to Bell.

I'll do it again too.

The more I read about him, the more I like him. For those that want to hear/see a little bit of the man, here's a YouTube of him addressing the subject of stem cell research:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s-H65iIXeo8
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bonzotex Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:17 AM
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24. Kinky is an ugly political joke...nom
There are a lot of foolish people in Texas. Kinky will get some votes. I hope no Democrats are that foolish. Please do not give money or support to this clown.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:35 AM
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26. Clown? More like circus freak!
Jeez Louise, folks, I never saw this guy until last week on some news/talk show -- Hardball??? -- and I said to BF, "Oh my effing gawd, THAT'S Kinky Friedman? No wonder!"

eeeeeeeiuw, and that was BEFORE I heard him say anything!


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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:31 AM
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25. "I basically think he played a poor hand well after September 11."??
No he played a poor hand badly starting with running away for 16 hours while the country was under attack. The first thing Bush was concerned with was his own safety--thats what he was thinking ab out during the reading of My Pet Goat
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 09:59 AM
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27. Kinky is as funny as a heart attack
Folks Texas is in serious trouble. We've been in ruins since the bush king proved that republican leadership is a miserable failure. As Molly Ivin's likes to put it The Texas Legislature is an incubator for bad legislative policy. We already have too many republican clowns in our TX Legislature. We don't need a humorist making it worse. Kinky would love for the whole Texas Legislature to be shut down. Problem is that we have a very thin safety net and you could really put more people's lives in danger. Kinky is a disaster waiting to happen.

This year is our best year to regain control of that Governor's seat too. Kinky is screwing up that equation by appealing to the uninformed voter. And a lot of the uninformed voters are in our base too. It's a shame they're being taken in by him.

Stinky kinky is absolutely the wrong person for this job. He's only interested in selling merchandise. And he's doing a good job of that.

F**k stinky kinky!

Sonia
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 10:55 AM
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28. I'm from Texas
and my stance on this is that ANYONE is better than Perry, and no-one with the last letter of their name being a 'D' can win the gov. race in Texas. Period. At least right now. Chris Bell could run on the same platform as a Republican and probably get elected, but there are so many dumbfucks down here that just wont vote for a Democrat no matter what. I have met Chris Bell and my friends Dad has talked extensively with him, and I like him a lot and would like him to be my next governor, however, for above stated reasons, that will not happen. And I dont think I even have to go into why I dont want McCleon's Mama in there. So that leaves me with Kinky, though he is not my ideal canidate, I think he will really shake up Tecas politics (which it oh-so-desperately needs) and maybe kick some sense into both parties down here, plus, I think he actually will do something to help public education down here, which is my major concern as it is under attack from Perry and his ilk. Don't attack me for this dicission, as it is a tough one, I am much more liberal than this, I swear to you, and I hate not voting for someone just because I know he cant win, but Perry must be stopped at all costs, and I really think Kinky might just end the terrible Texas Politics that we have had for the last several years.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:12 AM
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29. You are voting Republican. Kinky IS a Republcian, a liar too.
Why not just go join FR while you're at it? :eyes:
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 12:01 PM
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30. Ok, thanks for not addressing or even thinking about what I said
Kinky is not a lock-step republican as every other one in Texas is. And, no, I'm not a fuckin freeper. Texas WILL NOT elect a Democrat anytime soon. It just wont happen, its sick down here, but Kinky is a better choice than Streyhorn and Perry, and he actually has a CHANCE of winning.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:12 PM
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32. I'll address your points
First off, you're misguided about Texans not wanting to elect a Democrat for governor. If you look into our recent past, you'll discover that Texas has elected many Democrats into that office. Did you know that Bill Clements was our first Republican governor since the reconstruction? Did you know he was preceded and followed by a Democrat?

As for the likelyhood of a Bell win, look at the latest Zogby/WSJ poll. Bell is within ten percentage points of Perry. I would also like to remind you that Perry's numbers haven't changed since February. As well, the latest Rasmussen poll places Bell in the number two postion.

As for Dick Friedman's views on public education, I haven't heard a peep. If you would like to know Bell's view, here is an excerpt:

"n Texas, we have a constitutional obligation to provide children with a quality public education. But our obligation is more than merely statutory. Indeed, it is a moral imperative that we give every child in Texas the tools they will need to lift themselves up into the New Mainstream. And right now, we are failing to meet our moral commitment. Our supreme court has ruled that the public school system in Texas fails to meet even the bare minimum standards called for in our state constitution. By some estimates, the dropout rate in Texas public schools now approaches 40%. We do such a poor job retaining quality teachers that fewer than half of all certified teachers in Texas are still in working in the classroom. By any standard, this system is broken.

Rick Perry's response is nothing more than a series of half-measures designed to paper over the crisis. The band-aid approach to fixing public education has failed, and what we need now is a top-to-bottom bipartisan review of our education system. Surely, we can think of better ways to plug the funding gap than the ideas that have come out of this legislative session so far. A tax on tap water, a tax on bottled water, a tax on snack foods, and a tax on strip clubs... these are all proposals floated by the partisans in Austin to solve the school funding crisis. Texas can do better than this.

We need to create a Bipartisan Commission on Public Education that will bring all sides to the table to seek real solutions and common ground, free from the political hackery that passes for business-as-usual in Austin these days..."


Just the same, make up your own mind. That's what we do in Texas. Me, I'm voting for the candidate I believe in.

Added bonus, when you vote for Chris, you get more COWBELL!


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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:14 PM
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39. That's a crock
Ann Richards got elected in the same environment. The only reason Bell wouldn't get elected is that too many Democrats abandon their party to vote for one of the republicans. If you vote your conscience, you always win. If you vote to pick a winner, you always lose.

Kinky is a Bush supporter who is opposed to everything that Democrats stand for. It is not just a vote FOR a Republican, it is a vote AGAINST Democrats and all they stand for. :grr:
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #28
35. You are mistaken in your analysis and here's why:
First, Kinky can't win because he has burned too many bridges with minority voters in Texas. There is some good analysis of this issue at http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/, but here's the jist:

The internal crosstabs at the latest SurveyUSA poll (http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5d90d44a-e155-4d92-8f08-14fd1696d602) show that Kinky has the least support of all the candidates among Black voters. Kinky's support among likely Black voters is down to 6% and down even lower to 4% among those racial minorities who did not list their race. Kinky's paltry level of support is less than half the support among Black voters than even notoriously unpopular Governor Perry receives.

Kinky's support so low among likely Black voters because of this video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=C9mXTxEQI3A) from Kinky's appearance last November on CNBC's "The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch" where Kinky explained his view that criminals should be punished by locking them in prison and making them "listen to a Negro talking to himself" and "Negro is a charming word."

Likewise, the crosstabs at the SurveyUSA poll show that Kinky has the least support of all the candidates among Hispanic voters because of newspaper interviews where Kinky said the Tejano protesters marching in favor of immigration reform were "half playing hooky" (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/14367663.htm), and where Kinky said "Mexico is not a poor country" and "I will divide the border into five jurisdictions, assigning one Mexican general to each and providing a trust fund for that general" (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/14367663.htm), and where Kinky says "all of these politicians are afraid of offending Hispanics." (http://www.texarkanagazette.com/articles/2006/04/23/local_news/opinion/opinions02.txt).

Obviously, Kinky is not "afraid of offending Hispanics" – or Black voters, for that matter. Maybe that's why Kinky is the least popular candidate among minority voters in Texas.

Kinky cannot overcome the irreparable damage he has done to his candidacy among minority voters.

Moreover, Kinky's mantra that his campaign is just like Jesse Ventura's is simply a pipe dream because the features of Minnesota election law that made the Ventura candidacy a possibility are not features of Texas election law. Plus the two candidacies are more different than similar.

Jesse (a decorated Navy SEAL) was elected in 1990 as mayor of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, and served through 1995 before he was elected governor of Minnesota.

Kinky’s prior political experience is his unsuccessful run as a Republican candidate for justice of the peace in Kerr County in 1986.

Jesse was elected governor of Minnesota on the Reform Party ticket, which was organized before he began his campaign.

Kinky has no similar base of support.

Jesse famously won the support of Libertarians and others who value the separation of church and state when he said that "organized religion ... tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business."

Kinky says "I'm for prayer in school" and for posting the Ten Commandments in "the public schools ... where they belong" so he has very little support among Libertarians.

Jesse won with 37% of the vote as the centrist candidate in a three-way race with no incumbent in state where the Democrats and Republicans and Independents each comprise about a third of the electorate.

Kinky is running as a far right candidate on some issues (immigration, religion in public schools, the Middle East wars, privatizing public school athletics to corporate high bidders, etc.) and from the left on other issues (outlawing cat declawing) in a four-way race with a Republican incumbent in a state where Republicans enjoy a majority of support and Democrats outnumber Independents.

Also, it is not just me who agrees that Kinky is doomed to fourth place. Texas Monthly has twice analyzed the governor's race. Paul Burka reached this conclusion (and Paul is Kinky's personal friend and a political reporter who have an unmatched track record of predicting elections):

"Nobody in the business of politics gives Kinky Friedman a chance to win, including me. … Perry’s strategists say that Friedman’s negatives are twice as high as his positives…. The model for his race, of course, is wrestler Jesse Ventura’s upset victory as the standard-bearer for Minnesota’s Independence party, then known as the Reform party, in that state’s three-way governor’s race of 1998… as many observers have noted, the rules in Minnesota are far different from those here. Minnesota has instant voter registration, so young male wrestling fans could walk into the polls on Election Day and vote for their guy. That can’t happen in Texas. Another night-and-day difference between Minnesota and Texas is that the former has public financing of state elections while Texas, of course, does not. Friedman will benefit from plenty of free media coverage, but the conventional wisdom is that he will end up in the single digits."

Burka's analysis was the more charitable of the two Texas Monthly analysts. In the other analysis, Texas Monthly interviewed several election analysts for its story. Both the Washington-based political research firm Lone Star Project and Mike Baselice, whose 2002 Texas election polling most accurately predicted the outcomes of the state’s major races within fractions of a percentage point agree that the gubernatorial race will come down to Chris Bell versus Perry because of the overwhelming “built-in voter” advantage that favors major party candidates over independents. Moreover, the conclusion reached by the Lone Star Project and Baselice has also recently been confirmed by the political analysis of Chuck McDonald who examined the race for the KVUE television station in Austin. McDonald agrees that the three main challengers to Perry will hang close to one another in the polls at first but then the race will narrow to a fight between Chris Bell and Perry as election day nears

Kinky isn't going to win. He's not going to come in second place, either. Maybe, if Kinky sees a perfect storm of all his favorable factors coming together in an unanticipated way, maybe he'll make it up to third place.

If you are thinking of voting for this Kinky Republican because you think he has a better chance of getting elected than Chris Bell, you are mistaken.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:27 PM
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43. I don't know what makes you think Kinky has a chance of winning.
'Cause he doesn't.

He's a spoiler for his GOPrano buddies and an opportunist peddling his crap wares, no more, no less.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:10 PM
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31. Don't worry ya'll, Kinky is a fad for Texans, nothing more.
Kinky shirts and stickers are fashion fad more than anything else. We in Texas would never support him at the expense of a progressive candidate.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:16 PM
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33. I have relatives in Texas who like him.
This is what happens when Democrats keep putting the same kind of boring establishment, play it safe moderate candidates. When will we ever learn?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:20 PM
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34. Boring?
You're saying that the cowbell is boring? Bite your tongue.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:54 PM
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36. Yea, I know how it is. You can pick you friends but not your family
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 01:55 PM by NNN0LHI
Nothing we can do.

Don
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 01:58 PM
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37. That's funny because right-wing Texas blogs don't see Bell as moderate
Check Bell's record in Congress: http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Chris_Bell.htm):

voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life,
voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research,
voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage,
voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance,
voted NO on speeding up approval of forest thinning projects,
voted NO on limiting medical malpractice lawsuits to $250,000 damages,
voted NO on capping damages & setting time limits in medical lawsuits,
voted NO on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients,
voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment, and
was rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record,
rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record,
rated 93% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record,
rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record, and
rated 0% by FAIR, indicating a voting record loosening immigration.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 04:19 PM
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40. Who blew the whistle on Tom DeLay?
That was not the act of a moderate, boring, middle of the road politico.

That was Chris Bell.

He's got more balls than a bowling alley and big enough feet to kick some serious butt.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:20 PM
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41. Get back up there!
:kick:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:21 PM
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44. Ok .
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:28 PM
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45. I never liked Kinky's style. He's so "full of it". (eom)
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:29 PM
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46. Yes, please find out the truth about Kinky
and consider donating to Bell!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:33 PM
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47. Awww, isn't he just the cutest thing..?
GAK..

Some people have to learn the very hard way that these gimmicks of "ain't all govmint awful" types end up being a pain in the .....

Several years ago now, a little mountain town in Colorado learned this hard lesson. A "former" stripper ran for mayor of the town, and the anti-guvmint types thought it would be really funny to mock the office of mayor by having a character like her in that position.

Well, she won, but the joke was on the town. It wasn't just that she was incompetent.... she was a con, and caused a lot of headaches for the town before they were finally able to get rid of her.

What a laugh....kinda like...kinky....:silly:
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:25 AM
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50. relocated (inadvertently posted in reply to the wrong topic, damn it)
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 10:34 AM by Czolgosz
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:08 PM
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48. No problem. I don't even buy his books.
Read one from the library once. Wasn't terribly impressed.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:19 PM
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49. I thought of your today, Czolgosz
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 08:22 PM by tammywammy
I was stuck in traffic on 360 in Arlington today, and I slowly passed a car with one of those "He's Not Kinky, He's My Governor" or whatever bumper stickers.

I didn't have the guts or I would have yelled out the window that Bell's the better candidate.

I thought of you when I saw the sticker, though, because of your great anti-Kinky posts. :P

Edited to add:

This is a good link for all those Kinky lovers, to get a little educated. http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/ (Once again, thanks for the link Czolgosz)
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:53 AM
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54. I've thought of making informational flyers to put under windshields of
cars with Kinky bumber stickers because whenever I actually speak to these people they NEVER know anything about Kinky's history of his stand on more than one or two issues.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:37 PM
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56. And I would totally steal them from you
I've also learned that when someone's really "for" Kinky, they don't really know anything about him.

If you came up with a flyer, I'd totally like to get a copy so I can put it under windshields when I see one of those stupid Kinky bumper stickers.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:19 PM
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58. We should find someone who is really good at graphics and recruit her to
make the flyer.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:34 AM
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51. Kinky's latest 180 degree change on immigration reform.
From http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/

Here's Kinky's latest blather on immigration: QUESTION: Other candidates have laid out policies on illegal immigration, including the use of the National Guard. Are you sticking by your idea of paying Mexican generals to keep would-be illegals on their side of the border? FRIEDMAN: No. The Mexican government must step up to the plate. Mexico is a rich country, and they should pay their fair share. My immigration policy is "Remember the Alamo."

... Until this latest about face, Kinky had been bragging that his Five Mexican Generals plan was a great idea: “When I talk about the five Mexican generals, people think I’m joking but I’m dead serious. I will divide the border into five jurisdictions, assigning one Mexican general to each and providing a trust fund for that general. Every time a person crosses illegally, we subtract $5,000 from the trust fund.”

.... as the Austin American Statesman noted, "His position on immigration has been wobbly. On March 28, his campaign provided a statement describing Friedman as favoring a guest worker program and language classifying illegal immigrants as felons." ... Kinky issued this press release supporting "the construction of 700 miles of security fence along the U.S.-Mexico border and which would make illegal immigration a felony," but Kinky withdrew this press release. ... But Kinky has repeatedly mentioned building a fence, and after saying that he would seek the Mexican president's help, Kinky agreed with Bill O'Reilly that we cannot trust Mexico's President to assist with immigration enforcement:

FRIEDMAN: And I want them to help. I mean, good fences...
O'REILLY: Absolutely. That's what they're there for.
FRIEDMAN: ...Good fences make good neighbors, and, Mr. Fox, help us build that fence.
O'REILLY: Well, don't count on help from Mr. Fox because he's getting so much money from this illegal immigration back there.
FRIEDMAN: That's true.

More at http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:49 AM
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52. I cannot stand Kinky!!
He is a big dumbass that will put our State in ruins if he is elected!

I am worried about the Bell campaign, seems no one has heard of him and most folks have no idea his platform!

He needs to get the word out!!!
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:38 PM
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59. dittto
I am worried too... we can't take anymore Perry and I haven't really heard anything in the mainstream.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:50 AM
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53. He lost me when he said
he wants to bring prayer back to the classroom

I would prefer a candidate that wants to bring
EDUCATION to the classroom.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:33 PM
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55. changing mind to support Bush after he did so many horrid things?
Screw you Kinky!

Fake Cowboys make horrible governors.

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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:29 PM
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57. I HATE the interview where Kinky describes Bush as an "honorable cowboy"
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