Roe challenge set for new court

[Jersey Devil]

Didn't take long, did it? The paint on the "Justice Alito" sign on his chamber doors probably won't yet be dry when the right wing's dream of ending womens' right to choice springs into action.

This new bill is carefully crafted so that it would take an all or nothing ruling on abortion by the Supreme Court in order to rule on it since it would outlaw abortion in all cases except to save the life of the mother.

This is not the nitpicking away at choice that many have claimed would be the approach by the new court with perhaps a ruling on parental notifaction, then a ruling on other impediments setup by statutes such as mandatory counselling before abortion, etc. It is a direct, frontal assault on the right to choose.

When you read the article notice the big fat lie in it: "If Roe v. Wade is overturned, states would have to pass their own laws, Brinkman said. "Abortion will not end in America automatically," he said. "Each state will have their own right to decide what is the best public policy for their state." - But the law also makes it a felony to "transport a woman across state lines" to have an abortion, effectively ending choice completely for every woman living in Ohio.

And why should anyone be surprised by this approach? It is, after all, what the right has been saying it wants all along.

We warned this was coming but no one paid attention. Maybe they will now.

Bill seeks abortion's end in Ohio
Backers say it could help overturn Roe v. Wade

By Jon Craig
Enquirer Columbus Bureau

COLUMBUS - A Cincinnati legislator's bill to ban abortion in Ohio drew widespread support here Wednesday from a dozen groups eager to trigger a review of Roe v. Wade by what they see as an increasingly conservative U.S. Supreme Court.

At a Statehouse news conference marking this week's 33rd anniversary of the landmark 1973 decision, opponents called on the Ohio General Assembly to debate a bill banning all abortions.

Introduced nine months ago by Rep. Tom Brinkman, R-Mount Lookout, House Bill 228 would make it a felony to carry out abortions or transport a woman across state lines to have one. It would allow abortions only to save the life of a mother.

Nancy Keenan, president of Naral Pro-Choice America, warned that anti-abortion advocates "are using the states as laboratories" in their efforts to overturn Roe. Indiana, too, is considering a ban on abortions, and other states are adding restrictions to when abortions are allowed.

More - http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060119/NEWS01/601190364/1056

[BushOut06]

1. What's the chance of this bill even being made law in Ohio?

Has it been voted on yet? Hopefully we won't even have to worry about it getting that far.

[liberal N proud]

2. We are talking Ohio here - Nay, Taft, Blackwell - Questionable elections

Anything is possible in the little den of corruption.

[Jersey Devil]

5. The article says that it will get a hearing

Previously the Ohio house speaker said there would be no hearings, effectively killing the bill, but now says there will be "at least" one hearing for the bill in the Ohio legislature, according to the article I posted. What chance? We'll see, won't we? If it isn't Ohio it will be Indiana or Utah or some other conservative state. It is only a matter of time.

[BushOut06]

8. I could maybe see a bill that restricts abortion - but a full ban?

We've seen many attempts by states to pass laws that restrict abortion - you know, parental notification, late-term, partial-birth, yadda yadda yadda. For the most part, these bans have usually been struck down. But trying to pass an outright ban?

[demnan]

3. Why so soft?

I mean who the fuck cares about the life of the mother when a fetus' life is at stake?

:sarcasm:

[Bettie]

6. Maybe they could prosecute the woman

for becoming pregnant while she has a health problem that might endanger the sacred fetus! /sarcasm off/

[bryant69]

4. Yeah teh best part about the bill is that it not only makes it

illegal to get an abortion in Ohio, it makes it illegal to go somewhere else to get an abortion. So much for leaving it up to the states.

Bryant
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[cali]

7. More stupidity from Ohio repubs

bad for repub legislators, bad for blackwell. I hope they keep it up. I almost can't believe they'd be this stupid in an election year. Let's hope it gets lots of press. The smart way to kill abortion rights is what they've been doing all along, eviscerating Roe rather than overturning it. Incrementally stealing rights is a smarter tactic than frontal assault.

[converted_democrat]

9. Anyone who believes Roe Vs. Wade will remain intact is in denial..

The thugs don't care about the backlash of overturning it for two reasons.. 1. When you control the voting machines you can do whatever you want.. And 2. The pukes have been prepping the Gay Marriage issue to take the place of the abortion issue.. I have been saying this since I started here, but know one wants to believe it.

Roe will be the first to go, and then by the time it's all over we'll be lucky if women retain the right to vote.. I wish I were joking.. They are going to take us back to the dark ages, no matter what the majority wants, and then dare anyone to do something about it.. Anyone who does try to stop them will be arrested under the Patriot Act.. Wait and see if I'm not right..

[Jersey Devil]

12. Politics don't matter when you're on a mission from God

I agree.

[cali]

13. You're wrong.

Even control over voting machines won't stop a massive backlash, and that's what they'll get. They'll follow alito's 1980's blueprint on how to dismantle roe without overturning it, far more insidious and dangerous to may of thinking. It's absurd to even suggest that womens' vote will be repeal. You do know the mechanics of changing the constitution, don't you? Things are bad enough without unfounded hysteria. I suggest you do some reading about Mcarthyism. Things were worse then than they are now, though we're edging closer to that kind of crisis.

[Jersey Devil]

16. Is it really that unlikely? Any more unlikely than warrantless searches

of Americans? The jailing of Americans without charges for an indefinite period with no right to counsel? Where's the backlash for those things?

[cali]

17. Repealing the vote for women?

Yeah, it's pretty unlikely. Let's not forget that the wiretapping deal was something they did in secret. Can't very well overturn Roe in secret. Look, I'm not minimizing the seriousness of the gross lawlessness of this admin, I'm simply saying you can't compare wireless taps and even the jailing of Americans without charges with repealing the vote for women or overturning Roe.

[converted_democrat]

21. I'm being a bit of smart ass about the womens right to vote...

But the rest of it is very real.. I have a deep understanding of what these folks are like because I know them so well.. They think that the country went to hell and a hand basket when women became equal to men. They feel very threatened by it.. And believe it or not their women folk believe it too.. They think that being subservient to men is Godly... They think that when women gained the right to choose, they gained a powerful upper hand.. When women won the right to choose, they won the right to be something other than brood mares, which is in their opinion bad.. They think if they can keep women "in their place" then they will have the upper hand, and many of their "issues" will be solved.. Women will be forced to rely upon man again.. If we are "reliant" on them, than we are not equal, and they know that.. It's really that simple..

[converted_democrat]

18. Would you like to place a wager on this, because I'd LOVE to...

They are going to go through and dismantle all of the New Deal, and at the same time slash and burn all of our freedoms and liberties.. You know the church that just got busted in Lancaster, Ohio for helping Ken Blackwell with political issues, and donations?? I was raised there, I used to be one of them... This plan has been in the making for years, I grew up with these ass hats.. They have been quietly taking over school boards, and local positions, and Representative races, and when they install Blackwell the job in Ohio will be complete. It isn't a secret to anyone that is paying attention.. They think they are "returning" the country to Christ.. Remember how Howard Dean just said the center of the corruption is in Ohio?? He's absolutely correct.. Dems are just now catching on to what's going on.. And it's sad.. Ohio is the spring board to the rest of the nation.. See if I'm not right.. Then following Ohio closely will be Tennessee, Indiana, Kentucky.. They will pass laws that will be the cornerstones that the Supreme Court will rule on.

Joe six pack isn't going to get off the couch until he can no longer afford his beer, and by that time it will be too late.

[cali]

20. I might take a wager

please clarify exactly what you wish to wager on. If you want to wager on this: "They are going to go through and dismantle all of the New Deal, and at the same time slash and burn all of our freedoms and liberties.", I need a time frame. If you believe that the leg in Ohio could be so stupid as to ram this legislation banning all abortions through, I'll take your word for it. You know Ohio politics better than I do, though it's my understanding that repubs have been seriously damaged by scandal in the state.

[converted_democrat]

23. I'll wager whatever you want that in 3 years our country will be

unrecognizable.. The New Deal will be repealed, the women's right to choose will no longer exist. (The super blue states will try to fight it, but it will be illegal across the board.) And as a bonus.. I'll bet that many dissenters, especially in Red States will be picked up under the Patriot Act, and held indefinitely.. I'll bet that all three of these things will happen, and it will all be in no more than 3 years..

I'll bet you whatever you want.. An outright bet, a donation to a cause, whatever you want..

[cali]

24. I'd take your bet

but 3 years just seems to far off. Can't we find something to bet on that will happen within the next 12 months? BTW, I can guarantee you that Vermont won't outlaw abortion.

[BlueJazz]

10. I think the Republicans and the Anti-Choice crowd are in for a rude...

..awakening if the courts overturn Roe vs Wade.

A LOT of elections are won by very close margins and all it would take is a small percentage of
pissed-off Women who ordinarily vote Republican to change their vote to Democratic to swing the votes our way.
I truly believe the Repugs are to stupid to see this coming..

[sweetheart]

11. We must strategically remove the court from the loop

The majority of americans support a womans right to an abortion.
A ballot measure can settle this matter once and for all, so that
courts have no authority over the liberty of individuals.

What an evil thing, this court, not a shred of good comes from
it. Then, we can take a strategic turn towards becoming a
party of legislators, transforming the medium of change to the
congress as it should be. But alas, without finance reform, the
entire thing is so corrupt that it is a failed state.

What constitution when a criminal can ridicule the people's will.

[TheFarseer]

14. I don't think even this court would find that constitutional

they've got to be much sneakier than that. Just my opinion, you don't have to agree with me.

[Jersey Devil]

15. Why waste time? Take it on directly and get it over with

They can even time their ruling so it comes after an important election cycle to diminish its political impact.

[Sgent]

19. It doesn't even take this law

Many states already have laws on the books outlawing abortion. If any of them tried to enforce it, it would generate a court challenge.

A local DA in Mississippi could create the test case alone.

[rpgamerd00d]

22. Under this bill a woman could cross state lines for an ice cream, and then

suddenly decide to have an abortion, and there isnt crap they can do about it.