Bush Administration Rolls out Hitler Youth Program

[BuyingThyme]

The program is designed to scare the civil rights out of a new generation of Americans.

With death on the way, the little ones must understand that they're little more than little cogs on the wheels of fascism:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060120/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/ready_kids_1

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/WarOnTerrorism/2006/01/20/1402756-ap.html

[babylonsister]

1. Your title is absolutely chilling. nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

4. And absolute nonsense, to boot. n/t

[BuyingThyme]

6. Nope. The program is designed to introduce your children to

fascism.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. OK dude.

The ad council and the sloan foundation are really neo-nazi fronts.

[BuyingThyme]

23. You've run too far from the issue for me to respond.

Let me know when you get back.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

28. How is that "far from the issue?"

Did you read the article? Did you notice who is funding and supporting this program? You are implicitly accusing the ad council and the Sloan foundation of aiding fascism. It isn't beside the point at all.

[Squatch]

8. I agree with you. More hyperbole.

[BuyingThyme]

10. Governance by fear = fascism.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. OK, what specifically...

...about this program is intended to instill fear? Can you give me an example?

[BuyingThyme]

21. What about the program DOES NOT instill fear?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

29. Well, it's slogan, for one. n/t

[BuyingThyme]

39. You got me.

And it's not like bad people would ever think of putting poison in candy.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

41. And you've yet to show me anything that...

...resembles fascism, let alone the "hitler youth."

[BuyingThyme]

42. Governance by fear IS fascism.

And the Hitler Youth program was similarly used to indoctrinate children to the world of fascism.

If you misunderstood me, and thought the Bush administration was naming this program the Hitler Youth, or if you thought Hitler was still alive, I apologize for misleading you.

[Squatch]

51. Fascism abounds

"Don't cross the street without looking, you might get KILLED" = fascism
"Don't draw against the Lone Ranger, you might get KILLED" = fascism
"Chew your food at least 20 times, or you might choke and DIE" = fascism

It's a wonder I don't goose step to work.

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[BuyingThyme]

57. Why do you have to pretend not to know the difference?

[rinsd]

69. I guess Cuba is fascist.

They run hurricane prepardedness drills all the time.

[BuyingThyme]

74. They have hurricanes there. It's almost common.

[Squatch]

20. Sounds like they are trying to educate kids here

and I think your hyperbole is fairly out of place.

[BuyingThyme]

22. Do you really think kids need to be taught about the danger of

flying on airplanes? Wouldn't it make more sense to tell them that they will be eaten by puppies?

[Squatch]

27. No, kids should live in a constant state of blissful ignorance

"Hey, Tommy, when the yellow thing comes down from the ceiling, it just wants to make friends with your face!"

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

30. LOL n/t

[BuyingThyme]

33. The ignorance is in teaching your children that airplanes are tools of

death.

But you have a right to raise your children as you please. Oh, wait a minute; not anymore.

[rinsd]

70. I think 9/11 took care of that. (nt)

[BuyingThyme]

73. Using your logic, all Muslims are terrorists.

Is our children learning?

[aquart]

78. so you buy bush's crap?

don't worry about anything but Terra! Terra! Terra!]

Terrorism is the least of our problems.

I feel embarrassed that anyone brings up 9/11 since Katrina. Embarrassed.

[Raydawg1234]

77. Yah, and its also ignorant to tell them that being under a desk is going

to protect them from a tornado!

[txindy]

13. Not at all. They're intent on creating easily-manipulated young sheeple.

Only the gummint can protect them. There's always a reason to be afraid and in need of the big, strong gummint.

:eyes:

[C_U_L8R]

2. Protect the Fatherland

I mean the Homeland

[fasttense]

3. Be afraid, be very afraid.

"Disaster . . . it can happen anywhere." Part of a song the bushites sing to a rap like beat.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. I read the articles and I just don't see them

as being fascist. Yes, it does bring up "terra" but along with natural disasters. I'd have to review the curriculum to really understand whether it was a RW tool to keep our kids inside the box.

But if it is just disaster preparedness, then it is a good idea.

Now, when they get to the chapter that explains how to turn in your relatives for their leftist proclivities, I'll agree we have a big problem.

[annabanana]

7. aaaah... It looks more like "duck & cover" to me..

Another lame-o attempt to justify some massive money wasting.

[mrcheerful]

12. I guess some aren't old enough to remember

the your school desk will save you from an atomic bomb blast that we who grew up in the 50's and 60's went through. Remember the Red scare? They made kids watch movies about Atomic weapons being dropped and how school desks and school books would protect us from A bombs. They also had kids watching for Soviet spies. Same old tiring fear game that we out grew in time.

[C_U_L8R]

14. Scare the children

to control the masses.


Right out of the Totalitarian Handbook.

[MoJoWorkin]

35. My thoughts, too. I guess there aren't enough of us "oldsters"

out here to remember that---or how lame it was as to doing anything other than scare us, as children.

[woodsprite]

55. I'm 42 and I remember the civil defense drills, "duck and cover",

pulling the shades before we ducked under our desks to protect us from breaking glass and keep people outside from knowing where we were in the room. Yeah, I remember. They started them back up in my daughter's school after 9/11.

By the time my brother got into high school ('74 - I was a few years behind him), they were moving to riot drills (each hallway locked down into 3 distinct barred sections). That was the very end of the Vietnam era. They continued those thru the start of desegregation - the year I graduated.

[rodeodance]

9. campaign to prepare American citizens for terrorism disasters.

.Last year, Homeland Security officials refused to release proposals, drafts or any budget information about the Ready Kids campaign in response to a Freedom of Information Act request from The Associated Press. They said the program was still being developed.

The program is part of the Department of Homeland Security's $100 million campaign to prepare American citizens for terrorism disasters.

Earlier announcements about Ready Kids from the DHS have said it is "a tool to help parents and teachers educate children ages 8-12 about emergencies and how they can help get their family prepared." In August 2004, the DHS said the program would include a mascot of a dog, or a "homeland security hound," following in the pawsteps of McGruff, the Crime Dog. That year, the DHS also put the idea for a mascot-naming contest into the federal register for an open comment period.

The Ready Kids campaign is part of the larger Ready campaign, which debuted in February 2003, under contract with the Ad Council. The Ad Council described the Ready campaign as one of the most successful campaign launches in its 62-year history. That program focuses primarily on terrorism, and features a slogan: "Terrorism forces us to make a choice. Don't be afraid. Be ready."

[rodeodance]

11. something fishy when Chertoff refuses to release documents pertaining

to this program. Call me paranoid, but if it were a bunch of educators from Dept of ed doing the program I would not be so suspicios--but once DHS enters in--and controls documents, I get the paranoia buzz.

[BuyingThyme]

15. And when have you EVER seen the Homeland Security Department

do something without political motives? Never.

[Coexist]

16. Why in the world would they refuse FOIA requests for this stuff

something has to be funny about this program.

[SpiralHawk]

17. "All your Nazi Youth Corps Curricula are Belong to Us." - BushCo

So shut up and sit down.

Big BushCo loves you.

[anarch]

24. the Hitler Youth program was one of the more successful

aspects of Nazism. By the end of 1944, the Germans had basically lost the war, but the Hitler Youth brigades continued to fight to the death, thanks to their early indoctrination and immersion in the party. Such a program would be exactly what is needed to ensure a long (if equally as futile as the Nazis') continuation of the empire the PNAC assholes would like to inflict on the world. "That's right kids, it's your duty to the Homeland to work up a serious grudge against all these heathen bedouins and terrorists..."

On the other hand, despite having called the current Repug administration "Nazis" myself in the past, unless Emperor George and his murderous crew actually manage to completely do away with what's left of the constitution, or to install Bush as "President for Life", or if they manage to steal every election forever...well, I still have faith that we can take our country back before we really do become comparable to Nazi Germany...or worse.

[Sperk]

25. "You've got to be ready — so your heart don't break."

How about...YOU'VE got to be ready so WE don't drown.
Asshats.

[MyNameGoesHere]

26. Hmmm

He alone, who owns the youth, gains the Future!

-- Adolf Hitler, speech at the Reichsparteitag, 1935

[Solly Mack]

31. Get'em while their young! Indoctrinate the youth now, get a blindly

obedient adult later.

Duck! Roll! Cover!
Duck! Roll! Cover!
Duct tape Roll! Cover your home in plastic!
Duct tape Roll! Cover your home in plastic!

Obey!Obey!Obey!Obey!

Control'em with fear.

[BuyingThyme]

34. You said it better than I.

[Solly Mack]

38. My eegit and I were just discussing the Stanford Prison experiment

and the Milgram experiment right before I saw your thread. We were talking about how insisting on total obedience from children can help in turning out adults who would turn the switch up and who would torture others without even questioning it.

Uncomfortable truth or not, children taught to blindly accept authority(even a parents authority)and taught to never question the rightness of laws (or rules) have a good chance of growing up to be the kind of adults that just accept any kind of oppression (as long as authority says it's legal or right). The penalty for questioning authority or breaking the law (even a bad law) is some form of punishment - and the potential of punishment causes fear. So it's fear controlling the behavior - not right or wrong.

The government knows this - it's why they go into schools with these kinds of programs. You learn to automatically respond to a threat with fear - to do as you're told without thinking. To obey - regardless.

Not every person "takes" to the "training" - but current events prove that too many do and have

[undeterred]

32. FEMA says next hurricane, send in the kids.

Our National Guard are too busy fighting illegal wars.

[Oilwellian]

36. Here's what I would tell my kids

"Honey, if you see a big flash of light over our city, run toward it."

They already have awareness ads for children airing in my area and they're absolutely useless. It's just another way to instill fear. Who in their right mind would follow the advice of this corrupt government?

[woodsprite]

56. I feel the same way. You'll get it over with much faster.

I always told my parents and hubby that if they're gonna start lobbing nukes over here, I'm gonna make sure that I'm standing directly under it with a catcher's mitt.

[rucky]

37. Duck & Cover

[mattclearing]

40. More like Smokey the Bear and McGruff the crime dog.

The result is the same...fear, fear, fear. It's to poison these children's mindsets to readily accept the big lie that terrorism is the #1 threat to this country.

The reality is that the only thing that can destroy the United States is itself, and it is working overtime towards that end as far as I can tell.

[TNOE]

43. Yep

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/marines-recruiting-8-year-olds

[onenote]

44. give me a break -- Not Hitlererian or even close

I suppose you think Fire Prevention Week was part of Clinton's plan to use fear-tactics to control kids too...

http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Tue_Oct_10_114914_2000.vcs

onenote

[BuyingThyme]

47. Fire is something little kids have to deal with; terrorism is not.

[onenote]

50. its not aimed only at terrorism

Its aimed at a variety of "disasters" including floods, fire, earthquake, etc. And why do you say terrorism isn't something kids have to deal with?

onenote

[BuyingThyme]

52. Terrorism is for suckers. It only happened once, as defined by

the Bushes. Teaching your kids about he dangers of terrorism is like teaching them the dangers of meteorites with bogeymen on board.

Of course they make it marketable.

[onenote]

54. well, as I define it, its happened more than once

Oklahoma, for one. And it happens all too frequently in other countries. We've been fortunate, although its hardly because everyone loves us so much they wouldn't think of strapping on a bomb and walking into a restaurant or train station.

onenote

[hang a left]

59. That event in Oklahoma would be called False Flag Terrorism

right along with September the eleventh.

[Doctor_J]

45. Little kids want to grow up to be president -

what better way to prepare them for that, in this day and age, than by indoctrinating them with fear of "terra", defined as broadly as possible.

Hitler wanted die kliene Kinder to grow up fighting the Bolsheviks. Smirk wants the little "patriots" to grow up fighting "terrorists", described however he thinks they should be described.

[Javaman]

46. They are desperately trying to recreate the cold war...

"DUCK! and COVER!". With the little newsreels of the turtle wearing the Civil Defense helmet.

It's not a hitler youth thing per say, but trying to further their culture of fear to the next generation. It's all about control and as long as they instill the fear at an early age they will have them for life.

much like how marketers target children to get consumers for their crappy products for life.

[BuyingThyme]

48. Somebody posted that turtle above.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

49. Add to that paid informants on "left-leaning" college Profs, and heck

you're in full N*zi mode.

:puke:

[Jackpine Radical]

58. I think "Hitler Youth" is really over the top.

I prefer Buschjugend.

[Ron Green]

60. How to socially educate (or train) people in certain matters . . .

should it properly fall to government, or to corporate entities? (Please don't start up with the "my kids and my family" bit -- I'm talking about information on a large scale.)

Those who are afraid of "government indoctrination" must remember that in the absence of information, instruction, training or education from official sources, the market will gladly tell kids what to do. What kinds of messages does the market give kids about their own safety? TV commercials show people skydiving from airplanes on skateboards. How about nutrition? Compare the government's message about pyramids or food groups to TV's Saturday morning cereal-fest.

All I'm saying is, it's a balance between public indoctrination and private propaganda. To dismiss government programs out-of-hand is to invite Hannity and Limbaugh to say, "See there? Let's let hard-working Americans make their own decisions, and just do what the TV tells them."

[RaleighNCDUer]

61. "...DHS said the program would include a mascot of a dog..."

They've got it all wrong.

It should be a cat.

A Scaredy Cat.

[Sequoia]

62. USA plans to attack USA

but blame brown people who hate our freedoms and don't love Jesus.

[K-W]

63. Duck and cover!

The one solace is that historically, generations raised in very oppressive times tend to rebel.

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[0007]

67. Very interesting to say the least!

[Joanne98]

71. FEMA should pay for the kids "swimming lessons" instead.

[BuyingThyme]

75. Exactly.

[countingbluecars]

72. This program sounds ridiculous.

What can an eight year old child do to prepare for a terrorist attack?

[Cleita]

76. You know what happened to Hitler's Youth?

When he started running out of soldiers, who were dying on all fronts especially Russia, they were put in the army already having had some military and weapons training in the "youth".

Allied soldier were dismayed to find that many of the German soldiers they killed turned out to be young teenage boys, some as young as twelve.