Bin Laden tape a fake?

[kay1864]

NPR had a piece this morning, that a forensic audio expert found it "amazing" that the CIA confirmed the tape in only 4 hours.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5164599

Also for the morning DU crowd, see this excellent thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2379636

and be sure to scroll to the bottom of that thread for more, including
Expert on Lehrer says Bin Laden speech was first written in English
and
Wouldn't be the first time an Osama tape was faked

[anarch]

1. I'm sure it's a real tape

but I doubt it's Bin Laden speaking on it.


Maybe that's what the CIA will say they confirmed, someday.

"So, Agent Johnson, is the tape real?"

"Yes sir, that's a real tape. You can play it in the tape deck and everything."


But it might be the devil himself, who knows? Bin Laden was created by the CIA to begin with....

[kay1864]

3. LOL!

"Yes sir, that's a real tape. You can play it in the tape deck and everything."

"CIA...we hire only the best" :rofl:

[FreedomAngel82]

6. That's hilarious

LOL. Don't you love agents?

[TNOE]

2. Maybe this has already been pointed out

just getting started on my morning reading, but I SERIOUSLY doubt Bin Laden would use the word "God" - he would have used Allah. That was a big red flag to me.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. Same to me

That's been really bugging me lately. In the past he's always said Allah (even though they are the same)

[H2O Man]

Are you saying

that you heard the word "God" on the tape? Or are you referring to the translation?

If one reads "The Soul of a Butterfly," the Muhammad Ali biography from 2004, it is apparent that Muslims who speech English do use the word "God" frequently.

[TNOE]

10. Saw it on CSPAN

Brian Lamb was reading the translation from some newspaper - and camera was on paper. That's the way the paper had it anyway.

[H2O Man]

11. I think that

"the translation" might be a clue. MSNBC and others have played the tape. Their translation also says "God." But, again, that is a translation.

[texpatriot2004]

4. Bad news for * means it's time for an OBL appearance nm

[FreedomAngel82]

5. When were the other times?

[elehhhhna]

7. confirmed in 4 hours, hell--they knew OBL did 911 before he did it.

[Junkdrawer]

9. It's so obvious I worry they're hoping Dem leaders say it's a fake...

because THAT'S when MIHOP II comes...when they can blame the Democrats for not taking bin Laden seriously.

[Avalux]

12. They should at least demand verification by an independent group -

the CIA doesn't share and won't allow anyone else access to the tapes. They don't publish their results either. How are we supposed to know it's authentic? Because the CIA says so?? :eyes:

[Junkdrawer]

14. Yes, but the bigger picture is that legitimate questions about 9/11...

are ignored. "What was in those 28 pages?" "Why did the FAA destroy their controller tapes?" "Why were our defenses out of place on 9/11?"

If, as I suspect, members of the Saudi Government, with the help of a few highly placed NeoCons, were behind 9/11, they can blackmail us into silence forever or until we acknowledge the elephant in the room.

[radwriter0555]

13. well, their use of the dates is telling... lemme splain this... (yes, it's

a fake tape)

There are specific interrogation techniques used by trained professionals to determine if someone is telling the truth. One specific tell is the use of numbers.

You will always hear of cops asking the same questions over and over. There is a valid reason for this. A person who is telling the truth will never vary in the numbers they reference.

Someone who is lying will vary the numbers in their story, but the numbers they fabricate will always be related or similar.

See, the PNAC used 911 intentionally... it's a psychological game, always has been for them. The use of the date 1/19 is suspicious because of it's similiarity to 9/11... it's just one piece of the puzzle, but for me, it's a big one.

That, and when comparing the text to other known transcripts from OBL, there is nothing common between them.. and frankly, this serves the bush regime. Nuff said.

My take, what do I know?

[Javaman]

15. The first was a fake, the real one was just broadcasted....

Hello, and greetings my american pig dogs!! Oy, you know sometimes I just want to scream, but I say to myself, Osamie, keep it cool, it's just the American press taking things out of context again.
I mean, look here I'm trying to rain death down upon you people and your CIA, MY BOSS, goes out and releases that tape without telling me. I hate that tape, I look like a complete lard-ass! My cheeks are puffy, I don't know what I was thinking with my beard that day, but I mean come on! do you honestly think if I was going to release a tape to you American dog eaters, I would want myself to look like a whale? I mean what will the suicide bombers think?

So to make it clear, first one fake, this one real. Okay, now that's clear, you can see I'm rather svelte and ready to do mean things to you.

(garbled voice off camera)

Oh yes, sorry I tend to get a bit wordy, what was I thinking ha ha.

Anyway, you know the drill by now, death to America, I will be raining many many terrors down upon you and your families...(off camera) what's that? oh okay...I will give your family many itchy underwears...wait a second, who's in charge of the que cards? Manni cut that out...ah hem, where was I, okay, Just trust me, I will make your lives miserable with years of screaming terrors. Hmmm, I like that...(off camera) who wrote that? Suha? you? You have a bright future, you know I really liked that crumb cake you made last week...(gives caught in headlights look at camera)
Remember death to America!

[Javaman]

16. This one sentance tells me it's a fake...

"We were patient fighting the Soviet Union with small humble arms for ten years and we depleted their economy till they vanished, all grace be to Allah."

All OBL had to say was that he was funded by the CIA to continue the war against the Soviets. Why would he want to omit that?

It pins everything on us.

But since it was creatively reworded, to avoid any inference to the CIA, that, to me, makes it a fake.

[yourout]

17. My bullshit meter went off the scale.

The phrasing of the message along with the timing just scream.....BULLSHIT!

[DanCa]

18. My spinder sense tingled when I first heard it.

I trust nothing that comes from this administration.

[Hyernel]

19. Poor quality audio tape = faked

It's not audio is a new technology. So for this "message" to be a scratchy, degraded tape in the fucking year 2006, means that the tape is faked to be bad to hide the fact that is it manufactured by ...(take your pick)

[zanne]

20. Osama: Fanatic? Yes. Stupid? No.

Anyone who managed to plan a successful attack on the World Trade Center using passenger planes and a few suicide fighters would NOT play into Bush's hands with a speech like this. It sounds like it was written by somebody who thought "This is what OBL would say to the American people if he could", and got it wrong. The part that made me laugh out loud was the reference to the book "Rogue State", written by a liberal who just happens to have the admiration of Noam Chomsky. Come on.