Notice how the press is announcing that Jon Benet's murderer has been

[saracat]

found? Did anyone see a trial? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Jeebus, even Jon Benet's father has the class not to implicate the suspect because of what he says was done to him! It sickens me that there are some on DU who would dispense with justice in this case.Wait for a trial folks. We know nothing about this suspect and until a verdict, he is just a suspect.

[LA lady]

1. Jerrilyn Merrit

Look at some of the information here:

http://talkleft.com/

[saracat]

2. And the point is? He still is entiltled to a trial and we are NOT entitled

a gulity verdict until he has been tried!

[Freedom_Aflaim]

8. BS. Im entitled to any opinion I please

and so are you.

Everyone in the public is entitled to opinions about any person charged with a crime UNTIL they are asked to serve on that persons duty.

[rawtribe]

16. Opinions are like

ASSHOLES everyone has one and they all STINK!!!!!!



:puke:

[Freedom_Aflaim]

22. NO argument there.

But everyone is entitled to their opinion and their asshole regardless of how it smells :)

[saracat]

28. You are entitled to an opinion but it should be based on fact and opinion

isn't a verict! Just saying. Some have already pronounced sentence on this guy!

[Jed Dilligan]

35. Since the "justice" system mostly hands down injustice,

we don't have much to go on besides our opinions, before or after a verdict.

[lonestarnot]

3. No because I heard all I fucking needed to hear the first fucking time I

heard it and that they have some asshole in custody and they've had him under investigation which has concluded with his arrest. Period end of story. The end. period the fucking end already. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be rude, but I'm just tired of news dominated by bullshit, and it's happening here and I'm grouchie. Peace.

[Lex]

4. Brings to mind Richard Jewell and the Atlanta Olympic bombing.

Although in the Ramsey case I think there a DNA comparison that can be made.

On TV I heard several times that this Ramsey suspect confessed but I just read a story where he denied any involvement. http://www.heraldsun.com/firstnews/37-761789.html

:shrug:

[lonestarnot]

6. Leave the case in the jury's hands, he'll be indicted if they have enough,

and that's enough said as far as I'm concerned.

[Lex]

9. It will be a long while before an actual jury gets the case

but yes that's how it works indeed. Unless you mean an indictment from a grand jury--that's usually not too hard for a DA to get and happens quickly.

It'll dominate the news cycles for too many days that's for certain.

[lonestarnot]

10. Makes me braindead to thing of the domination.

[fishwax]

33. in that article he admits involvement

"I was with JonBenet when she died," John Mark Karr told reporters afterward, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."

Asked if he was innocent of the crime, Karr said: "No."

Was there another article where he denies involvement?

[KAZ]

5. Agree. n/t

n/t

[Freedom_Aflaim]

7. We are all entitled to our opinions

Its my opinion that he's guilty.

How exactly are folks on DU "dispensing justice". Did someone from the board fly up Thailand and bust his kneecaps?

[lonestarnot]

11. My question is why should I give a fuck?

[Freedom_Aflaim]

19. Its a fair question

Arguably the tragedy that the Ramseys and daughter went through hardly affect anyone on this board.

I suppose if the national news applied that sort of filter to what they report, the news would be ALOT shorter.

But alas, tragedy sells airtime and newsprint.

[Lautremont]

12. Dispense WITH justice, I believe the OP said.

As in, cast it away and let a mob mentality prevail.

And yet, I agree most with the grouchy post upthread.

[saigon68]

14. Here's a Mob mentality

Lynching 1930

A mob of 10,000 whites took sledgehammers to the county jailhouse doors to get at these two young blacks accused of raping a white girl; the girl’s uncle saved the life of a third by proclaiming the man’s innocence. Although this was Marion, Ind., most of the nearly 5,000 lynchings documented between Reconstruction and the late 1960s were perpetrated in the South. (Hangings, beatings and mutilations were called the sentence of “Judge Lynch.”) Some lynching photos were made into postcards designed to boost white supremacy, but the tortured bodies and grotesquely happy crowds ended up revolting as many as they scared.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

21. Well I guess there are always a few folks

will to dispense justice prematurely.

As imperfect as it, thats why we have a justice system...to keep those folks inline.

While Patys last decade of life must have been a terrible ordeal, the justice system did at least spare her the fate of spending it in prison unjustly.

[MysteryToMyself]

13. If we had listened to the media about Patsy

we would have convicted her without a trial. They had Mr. Ramsey depicted as molesting his own daughter.

The media decided they were guilty. They said today, they had never heard of anyone coming into a house after a child. Since then there have been men that slip in or break in and take children. This man probably meant to take her, but couldn't get out of the basement window with her.

The man could be guilty, but he should have a trial and all sides presented.

People are found guilty who are not. DNA has proven that some on death row were innocent.

[lonestarnot]

15. You make a good point DNA would be nice, but people are convicted

on circumstantial evidence. The worst is eye witness reliance for imprisoning the innocent.

[BlooInBloo]

30. Yah, but this guy's white....

Da Dum Ching!

Thank you folks! I'll be here Thursday Friday and Saturday nights!

:rofl:

[Freedom_Aflaim]

18. Well I don't believe anyone is saying

put the guy away without a trial. He certainly deserves a trial

In the case of Patsy Ramsey, alot of people felt she was guilty including myself. However the evidence was never strong enough for an indictment, let alone a trial and guilty conviction.

Nonetheless, there is nothing wrong with taking an opinion on the guilt of ANYONE. The only time you must shed that opinion is when you are empaneled as a jurist.

[ima_sinnic]

23. and it was your opinion that Patsy Ramsey was guilty

(as you mention in another post). Who cares about your opinion? Are you on the jury? You are just one of the baa-ing herd who will now "voice your opinion" that the man is guilty before he has had his constitutionally guaranteed trial by a jury of his peers. As was also mentioned in this thread, a man's life was ruined by "trial by public opinion" that passed judgement that he had planted the bomb at Atlanta Olympics. I read that even after he was cleared, his life was ruined--he lost his job and everything that mattered and forever more he was identified as "the man who was accused of setting the bomb." Even having an opinion is a responsibility that should be taken seriously as it can damage people.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

24. EXACTLY!

"Who cares about your opinion? "

Aparently the OP does. And apparently you do as well.

I have no idea why though. My opinion doesnt mean squat and has no effect on the Ramseys life.

So why are people being admonished for having an opinion on this mans guilt???


Your post is confusing though. At the beginning you say who cares about my opinion, then you proceed to admonish me for having an opinion.

Having an opinon is not a responsibility. Its a right.

[saracat]

26. So far, I haven't heard anything that makes either Patsy innocent or this

guy guilty. Or the reverse. I can't have an opinion as ther is really nothing to base one on. I find it really to much to believe he knew the layout of that house and details of the Ramsey;s financial dealings as indicated in the note without beingh aquainted with someone in the family. It is also odd that he hasn't worked for years and yet has been traveling with no income. I have a lot of questions but this isn't really big news and it is too bad it is considered more important than any of the wars going on at the moment!

[radwriter0555]

17. The suspect, John Karr, confessed to the JBR crime while under arrest for

more child sex related crimes. When one confesses to a crime, a trial is set aside and the perpetrator goes directly to the sentencing phase.

He confessed in order to be extradited to the USA, so that he wouldn't spend his time in the Thai jails. Kind of a smart move I suppose.

He provided details on the JBR case that hadn't ever been known to the public. However, it should be noted that it will have to be established that he was in Boulder at the time, and didn't pick up the secret details from the "real" perp during some chat with other pedophiles in Thailand.

It will be interesting to see if he's killed more little girls...

[ima_sinnic]

25. you mention yourself the motive for a possible false confession

... I believe false confessions are given quite frequently for a variety of reasons--I would suspect mental illness would be high on the list, "suicide by imprisonment" might be another (which would be a form of mental illness, I guess), maybe guilt about other crimes, who knows? And the idea that confession automatically leads to sentencing, without a trial, is total bullshit.

[radwriter0555]

27. I'm sure the boulder police will assertain if Karr 's confession is false

or not; that would be a massive priority. It's very easy to assertain if he was in the area, had access, etc.

[sendero]

34. Nonsense..

... confessing is NOT the same as pleading guilty. There will be a trial unless he pleads guilty, and I'm betting he does not.

This "confession" is bogus. You wait and see.

[BlooInBloo]

20. If it turns out that the accused IS guilty, I'd wanna know...

... what other crimes he committed during the years the cops were looking at no one but the parents.

[wakeme2008]

29. First he has now say he did it

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey



And bigger still... After going after the parents in the media for yearss and with the a book written by a person the the sheriff's office saying the parent did it. For the Boulder DA to come out now.......

[NashVegas]

31. That's the Press's Job

We have the option of turning off the TV.

[SmokingJacket]

32. About fifty people confessed to killing the Black Dahlia.

Some people get off on that.

Clearly, this shouldn't be the number one big headline story on all the media -- especially before the trial. More distraction... (and I say this as a person very interested in true crime -- but I don't confuse it with important news).