Gonazalas is on cnn saying need NSA. will continue to use the program

[rodeodance]

[rodeodance]

1. press conference

[rodeodance]

3. says pres is doing what he percieves is nec to protect the american

people

[rodeodance]

7. Gondo says lawyers have reviewed the program and it is constitutional.

[rodeodance]

10. says Specter legislation not necessary. Hey speck, do you hear that?

[Subdivisions]

56. "...within this administration"

He specifically said that the lawyers were Bushco lawyers.

[Cronus Protagonist]

57. So this administration actually LIKES lawyers now?

Seems to me that's a bit hypocritical of them.



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[warrens]

59. Staff lawyers are not judges

This is in the courts now, and it's gonna be a BLAST watching them defend it in public, under questioning, without being able to scream national security.

[Canuckistanian]

62. Well, now a judge has reviewed the "program"

And, last time I looked, lawyers don't get to decide which laws are consitiutional and which are not.

[KaptBunnyPants]

64. So then it's a Constitutional Crisis, right?

This is the dreaded scenario we've been waiting for, direct violation of the Constitution as ruled by the Judiciary, with the Executive branch claiming the rights of the Judiciary branch for itself. Unless he gets a stay from a higher court, failure to comply pretty much enters the realm of overt dictatorship, correct?

[unschooler]

35. And Adolf Hitler did what he thought was needed to "protect" the

Germans. Great.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Cannot wait for the USSC to finally slap them silly

for soem odd reason I beleive that even THIS supreme court, will...

[Tiggeroshii]

24. I believe they will

...if they take the case. If the appeal fails, then the Supreme Court is the Admin's last shot. If that were to happen well, KEnnedy has proven to be no friend of the current establishment. I think he will rule in favor of civil liberties like he has in the past.

[unschooler]

39. Kennedy, Ginsburg, Breyer, Souter, Stevens

They'd better be extra careful about their health and safety.

[Imagevision]

45. Republicans saying ruling will endanger more American lives.

[hedda_foil]

4. Giving the court the finger, eh?

Have we ever faced a parallel situation? Even Nixon didn't go this far.

[rodeodance]

15. "repectfully disagrees"

[Imagevision]

34. The American people respectfully disagree with Gonzo...

[kpete]

5. He sounds like

he is going to start crying any minute...

[sinkingfeeling]

6. Excuse moi? If a US judge just ruled the program 'unconstitutional' and

ordered an immediate halt, isn't Gonazalas in comptempt of court? Who do I call to get him arrested?

[Recursion]

17. Nobody, sadly

The judiciary has precious little actual power over the executive, since it's the executive that would have to actually send agents to enforce the ruling. See also Andrew Jackson's infamous refusal to follow the court order preventing the removal of Native Americans to the west.

[rodeodance]

18. Did she order an immediate halt?

[warrens]

60. Yes, and they will be in contempt if they don't halt

[MrModerate]

52. Boy, in a case this serious -- national security and all . . .

I think you'd better contact the Attorney General!

[MrCoffee]

55. ACLU agreed to a temporary stay of the decision until the appeal is heard

[Hubert Flottz]

8. Contempt of court?

Contempt for the rule of law! Our guys need to raise hell about Gonzo's contempt for the law!

[Rex]

9. Torture Boy thinks the judges opinion sucks.

How this dumbass can think not going to FISA is legal, is unfreakingbelevable. Not qualified to be AG. Still, an upgrade from the Crisco Kid IMO.

[Canuckistanian]

11. Defying a court order - yeah, that'll help your case, Abu...

Better find yourself a good lawyer.

[MrModerate]

12. This is going to get REAL ugly.

I couldn't be happier. Didn't Dickie Nixon lose it after he sacked a prosecutor, flagrantly disregarding the rule of law?

Also, let's start thinking of Gonzales himself in the federal pen (right next to Dick and George). That's a happy image.

[Bill McBlueState]

20. yes, but

That was in an age of a Democratic Congress and responsible national media. We have neither of those today.

[rodeodance]

36. if gets ugly, then that means that DEMS are finally doing their job.

[Cha]

63. Menage A Trois

in the Federal Pen..after the Hague for crimes against Humanity and War Crimes.

[KaptBunnyPants]

66. Yes, but Nixon didn't have this media.

Do you really think Watergate would have happened under the new rules of media management?

[rodeodance]

13. oh crap. cnn just cut away!

[kpete]

14. Gonzo

disagrees strongly that W has been proclaimed an illegitimate king...

[Solly Mack]

16. I'm so proud the Torture Czar of the War Crime nation of America

is on T.V. explaining why breaking the law isn't really breaking the law.

[Rex]

19. CNN just stamped 'liburl judge' on this case, so go ahead and spy!

CNN just sucks and lives off fear not facts.

[rodeodance]

21. you are right. cnn just saying now judge ordered immediate halt.

[rocktivity]

22. The NSA is NOT the problem

The NSA'S being ILLEGALLY AND UNCONSTITUTIONALLY BYPASSED is the problem. I have yet to hear why Bush can't spy domestically without a warrant.

:headbang:
rocknation

[rodeodance]

41. one excuse was that if was too much paperwork.

[Dudley_DUright]

47. Actually, it is FISA that NSA and BushCo are illegally bypassing

(gov. acronyms = alphabet soup), but your point is well taken

[grasswire]

23. what we have here is a constitutional crisis

The Attorney General refuses to comply with an order? That's a constitutional crisis.

[Rex]

29. We've been in a constitutional crisis since 2000 IMO.

Cafferty just laid it all out and smacked the crap out of the BFEE. If it wasn't for this guy and Dobbs, I would never watch CNN.

[rodeodance]

38. if they have not stopped since the ruling came down. then, yes,

[rodeodance]

25. Cafferty is on a role.

[rodeodance]

27. says a black female judge finally did what Congress was suspose to

do. Hold the WH accountable! Man, was that good.

[juajen]

58. What role is he playing?

N/T

[Imagevision]

26. Gonzo should be booted for failing to comply with the judges ruling --

END OF STORY!!

[elehhhhna]

65. CAN't WE FILE A C&D (cease & desist) ASAP? Or put ABU & GW in GITMO

for CONTEMPT!?! It's time they personally experience the inconvenience & discomfort of the waterboard, anyway.

[Snivi Yllom]

28. not going to be stopped

It will be appealed to the desired result

[rodeodance]

33. Judge upheld the previous FISA court decison which was already the

rule of the land.

[Robbien]

30. Dennis Hastert issued a paid news release demanding Democrats

join the GOPers in passing laws to make the NSA spying program legal.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=70917

"America cannot stop terrorists while wearing blinders. We stop terrorists by watching them, following them, listening in on their plans, and then arresting them before they can strike. Our terrorist surveillance programs are critical to fighting the War on Terror and saved the day by foiling the London terror plot.

"We cannot lose sight of the fact that America needs this information to protect itself. If the courts of final review rule that these procedures don't work, we will find a way that does. We hope that the Democrats will join us in an effort to make sure America continues these vital terrorist surveillance programs."

[unschooler]

31. Every member of Congress needs to hear about this over their

summer break. Light up them switchboards. And get your friends to do the same.

It's time for we peasants with pitchforks to make ourselves heard - loud and clear.

These people disregard the judicial branch and the rule of law. If Gonzales actually disobeys the court, we no longer have a constitutional government.

[rodeodance]

40. you Are right. Lets all light up the switchboards RIGHT NOW

[librechik]

32. it's a dare--put him in irons!

or plastic, as the case may be. Can't you just see him in an orange jumpsuit?

[spanone]

37. Good. He's admitting they intend to continue breaking the law.

Impeachment time.

[wicket]

46. Hoo boy

:popcorn:

[MallRat]

42. I think we can finally use the words "CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS..."

...and not get laughed at.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

43. Anybody heard ANYTHING from our Dem. leadership on this?

As usual a day late and a dollar short.

[whistle]

44. BushCo just continues to do whatever they wish with no regard

...for the constitution or federal court orders or anyone. Time to impeach now!

[fooj]

48. They have not arrested ONE TERRORIST using this illegal program...

So why the persistence? How can they underscore the URGENCY of something that hasn't resulted in one arrest?

THE PRESIDENT BROKE THE LAW. Period.

[Horse with no Name]

61. Why the persistence? Why is it so important that they continue?

There are Democrats and campaigns to eavesdrop on, of course.
Elections are right around the corner...

[rodeodance]

49. the ruling is NOT immediate as Justice is asking for a stay

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_go_pr_wh/warrantless_surveillance

The U.S. Justice Department appealed the ruling and issued a statement saying the program is “an essential tool for the intelligence community in the war on terror.”

“In the ongoing conflict with al-Qaida and its allies, the president has the primary duty under the Constitution to protect the American people,” the department said. “The Constitution gives the president the full authority necessary to carry out that solemn duty, and we believe the program is lawful and protects civil liberties.”

White House spokesman Tony Snow said the Bush administration's “Terrorist Surveillance Program” is “firmly grounded in law and regularly reviewed to make sure steps are taken to protect civil liberties.”

The ruling won't take immediate effect so Taylor can hear a Justice Department request for a stay pending its appeal.

[rodeodance]

51. so NOT immediate effect. see my above memo.

[annabanana]

50. ARREST HIM! LOCK HIM UP!

This dangerous traitor is fighting against everything that is American.

[helderheid]

53. Criminals. All of em.

[acmejack]

54. They'll use the lack of arrersts as an excuse for more spying!

I think such defiance of Courts means they feel they are no longer accountable to the rule of law. That was only for the pre 9/11 world.