I cant be the only one here who has 0 interest in the Ramsey case

[Initech]

I dont. No interest whatsoever. In Ramsey or whatever the latest missing blonde white girl to make national headlines.

I had no interest in OJ Simpson.

I had no interest in the Natalie Hollaway case.

I have no interest in missing white girls. None. I get really tired of this crap.

[babylonsister]

1. Raises hand wildly here! nt

[karlrschneider]

2. You ain't the only one.

:D

[LynneSin]

3. Why do you hate America? Do you want the Terraists to win?

[NC_Nurse]

4. Me too!

Enough already! :eyes:

[Midlodemocrat]

5. I'm interested because I have a daughter that is 16 and one that

is 10. Jon Benet would be 16 today if she had lived.

I know the media blows it out of proportion, but the thought that someone would break into my home and kill my child scares the shit out of me.

We had two break-ins the other week a street over and everyone was home.

[LynneSin]

13. True, but what are the chances your kid would get 24x7 news coverage

for months on end?

There are thousands of missing children and even children who have been murdered with no clue who did it.

And I haven't even gotten into the thousands of children we've murdered in Iraq and god knows how many children who are either missing, displaced or dead from Katrina.

If something happened to one of your daughters I would care very deeply because I know you well. And if someone does an Amber Alert for my region, I pay attention because perhaps I might actually see the child that was kidnapped. BUt to have a missing and/or murdered child kept in the news ad nauseum and blown out of proportion like it was, I just don't care anymore. When the family of victims start hiring PR firms, I lose total interest

[Midlodemocrat]

18. God willing, we will never have to find out.

It is a parent's worst nightmare. I remember watching Elizabeth Smart's mom on TV the morning after the kidnapping and that woman was so distraught she couldn't speak.

Unfortunately, I think it is also a matter of economics. If it happened to us, we would spend every penny we had to keep the news focusing on finding her/him.

Other folks don't have that luxury and God Forbid if it is a child of color. Forget any mention at all. It's sickening.

[Atman]

14. Seriously, what does that have to do with anything?

So, your daughter is the same age JBR would have been. So what? I have a Toyota that fits that bill. You summed it all up in your second sentence..."...but the thought that someone would break into my home and kill my child scares the shit out of me." Of course it does, as it would any parent. But there are 300,000,000 people in this country. Shit happens. How many children were kidnapped and killed in those break-ins in your neighborhood? The fact is, this is a sensational case, and if you choose to live in fear because of it, that will only further imprison you. Take charge of your life, don't let the media convince you that you have to be terminally frightened. You don't. You really, really, don't. This guy in Bangkok confessed to a crime he more than likely had nothing to do with in Colorado. That impacts your life HOW?
"

[Midlodemocrat]

21. Are you a parent?

Because as a parent, I am fearful all the time about my child's well being. All three of them.

Shit. Happens. Cancer. Car Crashes. Etc.

And, I'm interested because I have compassion for their loss.

The one place a person should feel safe is in their own home.

And, following the news doesn't mean obsessing over it, nor letting your life be controlled by it.

[Atman]

31. Yes, I have two children.

And you're right. Shit happens. And the shit you mention are things that are almost entirely out of your control. Why stress over stuff that you would know nothing about, a brazillion miles from your home, if not for the massive media coverage? This isn't a war our government illegally involved us in. This is a local story about a creep who wanted to get access to a kid. It is horrible. But in a country of 300,000,000, it is exceedingly rare. What we do as a result of these overhyped cases is get our kids so scared that they trust nobody. They grow up scared and distrustful. And some of them become legislators -- scared and distrustful, and feeling they need to cast laws to protect everyone from the stuff that scared them as children. It is a viscious cycle. TEACH YOUR CHILDREN. Teach them well. There are bad people in the world, but 99.9% of them are okay. Even if you don't like them, personally, 99.9% of them won't go all Jon-Benet on you. Teach them common sense. Teach them basic safety. But please, please...don't teach them constant fear. We have enough Republicans already.

[Midlodemocrat]

34. What makes you think my kids are taught constant fear?

I said I was interested in the case, not obsessing about it. I would like very much for the perpetrator to be brought to justice for the family.

And, FWIW, my kids can almost recite Gavin DeBecker's book by heart about listening to your intuition. They've made some incredibly intelligent choices by doing that.

[Atman]

36. "What makes you think my kids are taught constant fear?"

The first line of your post.

If I'm mistaken, my apologies. But I only had your own words to go by.

[Midlodemocrat]

37. As a parent, you should know that you can have thoughts and opinions

that you don't share with your children, right?

Certain things are best kept between adults, and you are wrong and apology accepted, but I'm still not sure what you are talking about by the 'first line of my post'.

[Atman]

41. "I am fearful all the time about my child's well being."

I am not fearful. I am HOPEFULL that my children are well. I spent a great deal of time as a parent educating them and helping make them aware that not everyone they meet will be their friend. In their elementary school years they came running back to the house with a group of friends, claiming a guy in a car stopped and asked them to help look for a puppy. What did they do? They ran home and told their parents. And then went back out to play.

So what does Jon Benet's plight have to do with my own kids' lives? Nothing. We simply don't know the circumstances of the JBR case. Her mother is dead. Dad is, well...whatever. The only real suspect now appears to be entirely full of shit. So, exactly...what is the message you suggest I tell my children?

I tell mine to avoid strangers and never go anywhere with an adult unless your parents have expressly given you permission to do so. It seems far better, to me, than instilling in them a fear of all living, breathing mammals.

[Midlodemocrat]

42. My being fearful of things that CAN occur doesn't mean that they

are fearful.

In spite of the fact that there was an attempted kidnapping here 5 years ago when they were riding their bikes. A guy got out of the car after scoping out the neighborhood and tried to grab their friend Kelsey. Fortunately, they all started to scream and Kelsey grabbed her handlebars.

So, yeah, I have reason to be fearful.

[elehhhhna]

44. "...what is the message you suggest I tell my children?" Can I answer?

My girls & I RAN INTO (literally) John Ramsey in a grocery store on Grand Cayman about 10 years ago. The message I told MY children (not within earshot of him, of course), was "Stay away from that man."



Carry on.

[Matariki]

61. but *why* are you interested?

i don't get it either.

[Clark2008]

74. Did you have a point in this thoughtless and mean tirade?

It's one thing to understand that the life of this one child doesn't really warrant wall-to-wall media coverage, but you could have been a little more tactful to a parent whose child does effect her own life.

Geebus - how rude.

[Atman]

6. Ooh, ooh!! Me! Me!

I don't care. Not in the slightest. She is one of many, many Americans who are killed every year. It is very unfortunate for her family and friends. It means nothing to the rest of us, though, or the nation at large. It is a local story, and should remain that way.

[RebelOne]

7. Well, I, for one, would like to see Jon Benet's killer

brought to justice. I mean, who would want to kill a 6-year-old girl?

[Benhurst]

19. I agree. And there is no statute of limitations on the crime of

murder.

The hype given the story by the corporate media is another matter. First they played judge and jury on the family and now they are doing it to this man before the whole story is out.

Nevertheless, I do hope her murderer is caught and convicted.

[treestar]

32. So does everyone else. And the same for any murdered

girls we have never heard of, since the media cannot be covering them all.

[MrCoffee]

8. I second that emotion.

[DireStrike]

9. I have no idea what you're talking about.

And if I did, I wouldn't admit it.

[Nutmegger]

10. I made the first rec but didn't post

because I thought this was going to be a giant flame-fest.

:D

[Junkdrawer]

11. It's the railroading that gets my attention. See link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2461890&mesg_id=2462070

[Initech]

15. Shows you how full of crap the media really is, doesnt it?

[Junkdrawer]

22. They're backing away now...CNN headline is now:

JonBenet DA: Much more work to be done

DA says no charges filed, innocence presumed

So...48 hours of

Case Solved! He's Guilty! He's Guilty! He's Guilty! He's Guilty!

Then:

OK, so maybe we don't know just yet.

[arcane1]

12. count me in! n/t

[MiaCulpa]

16. Re Ramsey case

I don't mind too much. The Ramsey's did have to endure a helluva lot of bs from the media for years on top of losing their daughter in such a horrible way on a Christmas morning. I do wish the media would get to the information anyone might give a shit about. Was he a stranger to the family or not? Things that might be good for someone to know. How did he get into the home, that sort of stuff. This probably feels like the weight of the world being lifted off these people. Let them take what little pleasure they can from this.

[seabeyond]

17. wavin at you...... n/t

[lectrobyte]

20. You are not alone. I've been hitting this

little button more in the last day or so than I can remember

[TechBear_Seattle]

23. Weapons of mass distraction

It is either report on Ramsey and Simpson and Hollaway and the like, or report on the ignored war in Afghanistan and the mayhem in Iraq and the atrocities in Lebanon. Which set of stories is more to the Puppetmasters' liking?

[Initech]

40. Exactly.

Wait... why do you hate Amerikuh?

[BurtWorm]

24. I'm with you.

[Bill McBlueState]

25. you're not...

But when I have 0 interest in something, I tend not to start posts about it.

[sutz12]

26. Me too! Me too! Me too! Me too!

This is clearly a local, or maybe regional issue, not a national one.

More sensationalism coated in the guise of "news."

The problem with the "24 hour news cycle" is that there isn't 24 hours worth of news to report. They just recycle the same 2 or 3 stories ad nauseum for a day, then on to the next one.

edited for spelling

[Deja Q]

27. Celebrity families vs issues that affect MANY, the answer is obvious:

What happens to many can contribute to the actions of a few.

Or in some cases, what happens to many will contribute to everybody (e.g. offshore jobs and everybody ends up starving and homeless... but that's what people want.)

[Spiffarino]

28. I am sorry for the child, sorry for her family.

And I'm sorry the country gets carried away with her case because she was beautiful, rich and white.

There are thousands of children who are physically violated, as this poor child was. Some are even murdered, as she also was. When they are average-looking their abuse scarcely makes a ripple along the media pond. When they are pretty and blond, it creates a cannonball splash.

Why don't I care about the story? Because it isn't about her abuse and murder. It's voyeurism.

[ocd liberal]

29. All I can say is...

My little girl will NEVER be allowed to dress up like a grownup and enter beauty pageants! (She's 2 1/2 now) I'm not blaming the Ramseys, but obviously there are a lot of nutcases out there who idolize little girls, especially when they are dressed up to look like adults and televised locally for all the nutcases to see. Little girls have better things to do that that, like read or learn math maybe?

[BrightKnight]

69. A normal little girl

She was just a normal little girl. The media fascination with her beauty pageant pictures is sickening. They would not be doing that if she was into ballet or ice skating. It might be relevant to the case but it is way overplayed.

[meldroc]

30. I don't care either.

I don't know Jon Benet or any of the other Ramseys. They mean nothing to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's yet another overblown media circus over a rich white girl. STOP THE PRESSES!!!

[cali]

33. I didn't care then

and I don't care now. It's boring.

[BrightKnight]

35. I don't know much about it.

I cant be bothered to look into it.

The Bushies are up to something. I guess they really need a distraction.

[wiley]

47. Like the Pension Reform that was just signed into law?

Like those soldiers who raped and murdered that girl in Iraq? (assuming that only happened once). Like those US soldiers killed yesterday in Taliban run Afghanistan?

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

38. I have a teeny bit of curiousity about it

Like how this could happen right in her home ? Like how did the suspect know her and get into the home ? You would think they would have had an alarm system.

I'm a big fan of mysteries and crime dramas, so I just wonder about this.

I do agree that there was too much media hype about it - and now there will be more. But I will change the channel

[Snivi Yllom]

39. No interest. But the OJ case was fascinating.

It was a historical cultural moment.

[bvar22]

43. Ramsey who?

Is that the name of one of the hundreds of children killed in Iraq and Lebanon this month by Israel and the USA?

[pitohui]

45. but not tired enough to refrain from posting on the topic EOM

.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

53. Oops.

[Initech]

55. D'oh!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

57. Apt!

[girl gone mad]

46. Then why bring it up at all?

I happen to be interested in the JBR case. I have a scientific background and I like solving puzzles. Add a touch of intrigue and gothic/Shakespearean tragedy and I'm hooked. It doesn't consume my every waking moment, but I do enjoy reading about it from time to time and pondering the evidence.

I know you are better than me because you are too good to be bothered with the details of the murder of some wealthy blond child beauty queen. You're too busy saving the world and all of that. I bet you don't even own a television, either.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

54. Of course, it's a horribly compelling story about human beings.

What is more basic about the human condition that truth and lies?
And of course it's a shame that so many people who could be out saving the world are wasting time complaining that they have no interest in the story, and prove it by starting a brand new thread on it or responding to it.

[Initech]

56. See reply #15

I think cases like this really show the hypocrisy of the media and how much 24/7 news stations are no better than the tabloid magazines sold at the supermarket check out aisle. That's why.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

59. Hypocrisy is the word all right.

[Pacifist Patriot]

48. The only interest I have is....

figuring out how our society can make violence against women and children morally and emotionally comparable to cannibalism.

[chaska]

49. This crap is disgusting. I hope all these "journalists" die a slow & ....

painful death.

This is the last I will participate in, or consume of, this shit.

[Skittles]

50. completely botched criminal investigations interest me

yes

[EstimatedProphet]

51. Me neither

It has no bearing whatever on my life. Sad to say, but murders happen every day. When one happens to someone close to me, I will of course be concerned. When they happen to anyone else I don't want to know about it because I think it's an invasion of privacy and an interruption to mourning.

[high density]

52. No interest here either

We all agree that rape and murder is bad, but I still don't understand why these local news stories get so much attention.

[flyarm]

58. ADD ME ON!!..ITS ALL DEFLECTION AND BULLSHIT! N/T

[Matariki]

60. Not even interested enough to reply to these anti-whatsit threads

oh. wait.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

64. Irony is wasted on the ironist.

NOT THAT I CARE BECAUSE I DONT!?!

[cool user name]

62. Count me as quite uninterested as well.

To focus on one tragedy at the exclusion of the many other abductions and murders is extremely telling.

I'm fed up with sensationalized media.

I long for media that will inform me, as a citizen, so that I can make better decisions regarding government policies.

Media is the fourth "unofficial" check on our "democratic" system afterall. :eyes:

[jsamuel]

63. We do not come to Democratic Underground to discuss things with 0 to do

with politics.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

66. You think the Ramsey case has 0 to do with politics?

Why do you think the case was fuckedup
by the cops in the first place?

[savemefromdumbya]

65. Poor wee girl

this was an awful case, but one has to ask what is this heavy coverage of the case covering in terms of current politics? I remember Chandra Levy they really went overboard on that one?

[catzies]

67. Me neither. None of the above. Nor Laci Peterson, nor Elizabeth Smart

etc etc etc

and for those who would say "Well, what would you do if it happened to you?"

If it did, and the media showed up at my door I'd tell them to go the fuck away -- it's a private family tragedy not a national story.

[uppityperson]

68. no. eom

[OneBlueSky]

70. you're not . . . I wasn't interested ten years ago, and I'm still . . .

not interested today . . . just one more thing for the corporate media to use as a distraction from what they SHOULD be covering (i.e. the ongoing illegal actions of the Bush administration, the unanswered questions about 9/11, election fraud, etc.) . . .

I'm obviously sorry the girl was murdered, but the coverage the case has received is W-A-A-A-A-A-Y out of proportion to its true value as news . . . when compared to, say, the rapidly increasing destruction of the planet . . .

[B Calm]

71. I have been sick of this sensationalizing since the story broke!

The guy made the story up and the corporate owned press knows it!

[GeorgeGist]

72. Then why post about it?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

73. They care to let Everybody know that they don't care.