Malloy thinks This Jonbenet deal is a Rove scheme

[eleny]

I know - There's a general Malloy thread. But everyone there is still saying hi to each other. Wonderful folks one and all. And this assertion of Malloy's made me sit up straight in a V-8 moment.

[babylonsister]

1. I just have to do this -

:popcorn:

[eleny]

4. Is there butter on those pops?

:rofl: :patriot:

[babylonsister]

18. Yes, and salt!

And here's a Schaeffer!
:toast:

[eleny]

27. Oh, how I'm tempted!!!

I've been so good on my diet - but waving the Schaeffer under my nose? I can't resist!

[joemurphy]

35. The one beer to have if you're having more than one? :-)

[eleny]

37. yup!

[babylonsister]

40. We're old New Yawkers; I remember Schaeffers fondly! nt

[sgxnk]

53. i'll take your schaeffer and raise you a 'gansett'

as in narragansett beer

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Jeez--I think Malloy is crazier than I am. (nt)

[Blue-Jay]

3. Wait. Are you serious? Is he?

[eleny]

5. Would I lie to you?

Edit: he made a link between the recent Bush divorced brother going to Thailand and having all that sex that ruined his marriage to thailand being the place this guy pops up.

[Blue-Jay]

6. I dunno. Would you?

[eleny]

7. No!

And I edited my reply to you giving more details fo what Malloy said.

[Blue-Jay]

15. Oh, good lord.

[tridim]

8. It crossed my mind earlier today

But I didn't think the BFEE could pull it off. There's no way that Karr guy could keep a secret like that.

[Redstone]

9. He said THAT? Please, PLEASE tell me you're joking.

Or that he was.

Redstone

[eleny]

12. Now you - I would lie to!

:evilgrin:

[Redstone]

23. Elucidate, please. I'm confused. You know that I tend to be oblivious.

Was the OP sarcasm or not?

Redstone

[eleny]

29. No sarcasm - He opened the show with it

The first thing Malloy said was that it's curious how whenever the administration is in trouble some bs pops up to take the public's attention away. In this case, he meant the judges ruling on the domestic spying. He talked about the Bush brother who messed around with hookers in Thailand and it ruined his marriage. So, for this reason Thailand is significant as the place Rove dug up the guy who confessed to Jonbenet's murder.

It was the opener so you can catch it at White Rose later.

[Redstone]

34. Aha. Thank you.

Redstone

[eleny]

36. You're welcome - Now he's playing Jack Cafferty's statement

The one about today's ruling on the wiretaps. Wonderful stuff. - It took a 75 female black judge to step in and say that the president broke the law. Jack is a new hero for DU.

Malloy also said that Cafferty will probably be out of a job tomorrow.

[Redstone]

38. I like Cafferty. He doesn't bullshit. Says what he thinks.

Redstone

[Junkdrawer]

10. Mike, it's easier than all that. There's always nuts who want to confess..

to any high profile crime. All you have to do is pressure the DA into arresting one.

[MzNov]

28. Who pressured the DA, and why NOW?

They've had several DA's over the years working on this? Why pressure a DA to arrest a guy in Thailand who was about 30 y/o in 1996 and is making a false confession. Maybe he did it, but it really smells.

[Junkdrawer]

32. My guess is the PIs working for John Ramsey. n/t

[springhill]

60. The part that got me.......

and which I saw on the news last night, was the fact that a Department of Homeland Security person was making the announcement. Why would they be involved in the Jon Benet Ramsey case? Does anyone know if that is their job? Malloy was actuall zeroing in on that little tidbit.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. He's giving Rove WAAAAY too much credit.

I like Malloy, but I think he's off the wall on this. Stuff happens in the world -- all kinds of stuff -- and almost all of it happens without the involvement of Mr. Piggy. He is neither God nor Satan; he isn't the man behind the curtain; he's just a fat, sneaky, sociopathic douchebag who pulls a few strings and intimidates a few pols around D.C. I wish people would get over the idea that he's this brilliant, all-powerful Dr. Evil.

[MzNov]

30. brilliant does not necessarily go with evil.

this crime family is evil. and there is a Thailand connection, already in news and with a DHS link. But they sure did kill that story. It was several months ago.

[MzNov]

13. I saw the "killer" on TV. This guy did not do it.

Malloy isn't crazy. the rest of us just don't do enough critical thinking. We should question everything in Bush's America.

[eleny]

19. I agree with you that this guy didn't do it

But I'm willing to wait and see what the DNA reveals, too.

[barb162]

46. Why do you "say" that?

[AX10]

14. This doesn't help Rove because it takes the attention of the...

London "scare".

[OwnedByFerrets]

26. But it certainly takes the media eye off

of Iraq, Lebanon, and the ruling today on the Illegal wiretapping (which I am sure they knew was coming down.
I dont agree with Mike on this issue, but, nonetheless, its top of the news hour.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Well, it's now official: Malloy's an idiot

[MzNov]

22. official from whom? he's not an idiot

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. Official from me

If that's his position, then he's officially a fucking idiot.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

65. Do you have an official badge?

I want to see a badge.

[sendero]

17. I love Mike Malloy..

... but I think he's full of it this time.

This is a pedophile-fuckwwad who was facing prison time in Thailand who decided to make shit up to get taken into American custody.

Like the various terra-terra-terra plots of late, this will be found to be a crock of shit and quietly forgotten.

[babylonsister]

21. I've read this numerous times, about the Thai prison time, but

have been trying to avoid the story.
I did hear he started a new teaching job; what's with the prison time?

[eleny]

24. I agree about this being his ticket out of Thailand

It would serve him right if they extradited him back to Thailand if the DNA doesn't put him at the scene.

[MzNov]

25. Question it

[Guaranteed]

20. Huh. Well, what isn't these days?

We're going to have to stop this.

[liberalhistorian]

31. I'm sorry, but that's just

too much, even for this Bush hater who wouldn't put anything past America's Goebbels, aka Rove. Sometimes things happen and they have nothing to do with the government or its leaders. It's unbelievably stupid and it's irresponsible for Malloy to say something like that, it makes us look like crazed paranoid nuts.

[Guaranteed]

39. It's not just how we look.

It isn't healthy.

It's turning into a knee-jerk reaction. We need to get back to rationality.

[sgxnk]

54. yes

especially when many people here are AGREEING with this absurdity

hey, i like art bell as much as the next guy. but its ENTERTAINMENT

malloy has devolved into complete kookdom on this. as have his fellow travelers who support this ridiculous idea

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. Never Listened To Him. Is He Always This Whacked Out In His Assertions?

Probably not. I know he's really popular here at DU so he must be good generally. Blaming it on Rove though is just a tad on the 'I'm a total wacko' side though. Guess that's ok as a one time misstep if he generally doesn't frequently state such far fetched conspiracy absurdities.

[TheWebHead]

42. No, but Divertor is...

SNL Robert Smigel cartoon video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJzIC8WW52k

[RagAss]

43. All I know is Iraq is a SHITFEST and you have to dig for news on it...

Don't ever doubt the level of control that bastard has....he got Fitz to run away screaming didn't he????

[helderheid]

44. Hey now. Hey now now. Hmmmmmm and Hmmmmm again!

[paulk]

45. Malloy is an embarrasment

The Boulder county DA is a Democrat in one of the most liberal cities in the entire country.



Sheesh!

[Taoschick]

50. I used

To listen to Malloy when he was just starting out in Atlanta in the early 90's. He wasn't quite so conspiratorial minded back then. He was funny and I was sorry to see him go.

[The Straight Story]

47. If he thinks that, he is a little nutty IMHO

Some folks need to step away and see life outside of bush/rove. I think most people are not interested in day to day politics. Elect the people, let em do their job, bitch about it when they suck, move on. Not everything is politics.

[Spider Jerusalem]

48. Some people are TOO goddamned paranoid.

Sinister plots and bogeymen EVERYWHERE, and dark connections behind EVERY EVENT--the fear and loathing some people have for Bush and his minions has caused them to take leave of their senses. If Malloy or anyone else actually thinks this, then he and they are either incredibly stupid or desperately in need of psychiatric counselling and medication.

[zulchzulu]

49. Of course it is...

It's a perfect release by the Pentagon on a couple fronts...back to school parental paranoia with a little gay looking dude (that will plead insanity later) reminder that all gays are ood, hence should not get married....plus it takes the NSA ruling and the Iraq war off the air.

These guys are "good"...

[Lars39]

51. It's not too far-fetched to believe bushco is opportunistic.

And that they've found a way to squash real news.
Here's links I'd posted earlier about what they've done that we know about:

Bush 'planted fake news stories on American TV'
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Published: 29 May 2006

Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies' products.

Investigators from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are seeking information about stations across the country after a report produced by a campaign group detailed the extraordinary extent of the use of such items.

The report, by the non-profit group Centre for Media and Democracy, found that over a 10-month period at least 77 television stations were making use of the faux news broadcasts, known as Video News Releases (VNRs). Not one told viewers who had produced the items.

"We know we only had partial access to these VNRs and yet we found 77 stations using them," said Diana Farsetta, one of the group's researchers. "I would say it's pretty extraordinary. The picture we found was much worse than we expected going into the investigation in terms of just how widely these get played and how frequently these pre-packaged segments are put on the air."

more at:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article621 ...
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Pentagon Probes Military-Sponsored Sites (paying journalists..again)

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050204/D881UT001.htm ...

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon's chief investigator is looking into the military's practice of paying journalists to write articles and commentary for a Web site aimed at influencing public opinion in the Balkans, officials said Friday.

At the request of Larry Di Rita, chief spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld,
the Pentagon's inspector general, Joseph Schmitz, is reviewing that case and also looking more broadly at Pentagon activities that might involve inappropriate payments to journalists.The Balkans Web site, called Southeast European Times, as well as a second aimed at audiences in north Africa, have no immediately obvious connection to the U.S. government but contain a linked disclaimer that says they are "sponsored by the U.S. European Command." That is the military organization based in Germany responsible for U.S. forces and military activities in Europe and parts of Africa.The second site, called Magharebia and aimed at the Maghreb region that encompasses Algeria, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco and Tunisia, is still in development and has not reached the stage of having paid correspondents, said Air Force Lt. Col. Derek Kaufman, a European Command spokesman.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1691973&C=americ ...

Rumsfeld To Meet with Military Commentators on Iraq

Beating back calls for his resignation, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has summoned military commentators for special Pentagon briefings on Iraq and the war on terrorism, a spokesman said April 17. snip

On April 14, the Pentagon emailed the commentators a fact sheet intended to rebut charges by a group of retired generals that Rumsfeld has given short shrift to military advice, leading to strategic blunders in Iraq.

The fact sheet enumerated the number of times Rumsfeld has met with the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The commentators — many of them retired senior officers now working for U.S. television networks — also have been called to a meeting April 18 at the Pentagon with Rumsfeld to discuss Iraq and the broader war on terrorism, said Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman. snip

”We have a regular program to keep ... people that work for many of your news organizations in here well informed, providing them factual information, statistics, to keep them in a position where they can add some value and context to the reporting that goes on out there,” he said.

A dozen to 15 commentators typically attend the sessions, he said.

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Whatever happened to the Fairness Doctrine? A Primer, by Moonbeam_Starlight
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Outfoxed.mov (video/quicktime Object)


PR Meets Psy-Ops in War on Terror
WASHINGTON — On the evening of Oct. 14, a young Marine spokesman near Fallouja appeared on CNN and made a dramatic announcement. "Troops crossed the line of departure," 1st Lt. Lyle Gilbert declared, using a common military expression signaling the start of a major campaign. "It's going to be a long night." CNN, which had been alerted to expect a major news development, reported that the long-awaited offensive to retake the Iraqi city of Fallouja had begun.

~snip~Officials at the Pentagon and other U.S. national security agencies said the CNN incident was not an isolated feint — the type used throughout history by armies to deceive their enemies — but part of a broad effort underway within the Bush administration to use information to its advantage in the war on terrorism. The Pentagon in 2002 was forced to shutter its controversial Office of Strategic Influence (OSI), which was opened shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, after reports that the office intended to plant false news stories in the international media.

But officials say that much of OSI's mission — using information as a tool of war — has been assumed by other offices throughout the U.S. government. Although most of the work remains classified, officials say that some of the ongoing efforts include having U.S. military spokesmen play a greater role in psychological operations in Iraq (news - web sites), as well as planting information with sources used by Arabic TV channels such as Al Jazeera to help influence the portrayal of the United States.
http://zota.org/2004/12/01/la-times-pr-meets-psy-ops-in... /

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[eleny]

52. Well, Rove is the grand master at concocting

Thanks for your reply. Your refresher on the OSI is appreciated!

[SmokingJacket]

55. I think it's more a media scheme

to hop on any old shit other than examining the pres -- and they're in Rove's pocket, so, in a roundabout way, yeah.

This guy turning up is being treated like bigger news than the original murder 10 years ago, and so far without much in the way of evidence -- so I can see why people smell a rat.

[LibDemAlways]

58. Mike's missing the boat on this one. This is Natalee Holloway or

Laci Peterson territory - whatever sells soap. And the American public eats it up. "News" directors (and I'm being charitable calling them that) are more interested in generating ratings than in substance. Jon Benet is a guaranteed ratings booster. So what if this guy turns out to be a crackpot who didn't do it (as I suspect) - the whores have plenty to talk about in the meantime and ratings are up which means more ad revenue - the perfect marriage of the the average American's love of a good murder mystery and the corporate whore media's determination to give it to them.

[bbgrunt]

64. it was STUNNING how all the net works shifted to full-time

coverage of this b.s.--even KO. And along with this story, all the networks jumped on the panic-attack woman story with the exact same false information. Do I think the press is controlled by the White House and intell psyops? you betcha.

While Rove and company might not have made the DA arrest this guy, they can sure have an effect in unleashing the press to go after such drivel precisely because there does not seem to be any political bias involved in the story. Thus the press gets to do what it does best these days--spout opinion and conjecture and ignore the big stories.

[H2O Man]

56. Silly.

I suppose Rove set up the murder a decade ago, just in case the republicans needed a boost in '06.

[NYCGirl]

57. Malloy's getting into "Dale Gribble" territory with that one...

[paparush]

59. Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! You think Rove made this guy?

Out of all the issues... Rove says, "Hey Jim, lets do this. Lets say we find Jon Bonet Ramsey's killer. Huh? How about that! America will lap it up. It will be THE headline for a week...."

Ya know...when I started this reply, I was skeptical...now...I'm halfway to believing it...

[earth mom]

61. Naw, the media just wants some ratings & dough. Rove is lovin it though.

:eyes:

[zreosumgame]

62. did he say Rove made it allup an controlled it?

Or that KKKarl is USING it as a distraction with all his contacts and paid lackies in the MSM?

[GardeningGal]

63. That is just crazy.

He obviously did not watch the Boulder DA news conference yesterday. It was clear that they have been tracking him for quite some time. It sounded to me like they had to take him into custody while they were still working on the investigation because either he was a flight risk or a danger to the community or both. Since he had just started working at the International school on Tuesday, I'm thinking they thought he was a danger to the community.