John Karr (Jonbenet) is certainly a strange fellow

[Philosoraptor]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060818/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey

"It's clear to me that he's somewhat interested or maybe even obsessed by the case and the real question is whether he's inserting himself into it for some obscure psychological reason," said author Carlton Smith, who wrote 1997's "Death of a Little Princess: The Tragic Story of the Murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

According to Thai police, Karr said he picked JonBenet up at school and took her to her home. But the slaying occurred during Christmas break.

Karr's ex-wife, Lara Knutson, told reporters she cannot defend him, then insisted he was with her in Alabama that Christmas.

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2 days after the story breaks, and it just gets weirder and weirder.

[hippiechick]

1. "... some obscure psychological reason ..."

... yeah, like extradition OUT of a Thai prison and back stateside. Not so obscure.

This hippie he's a false confessor.

[Ganja Ninja]

7. Actually he was only arrested at the request of the boulder police.

He wasn't facing jail time for anything he did in Thailand.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. HE IS NOT CHARGED WITH ANYTHING IN THAILAND

He doesn't need to escape Thai prison.

Facts help, you know?

[Philosoraptor]

10. He skipped his trial in the U.S. for possessing kiddie porn

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. That's neither here nor there

Thailand wouldn't jail him in Thailand for a California charge.

[Wonk]

2. I wonder if he's confessed to killing Princess Diana already, too?

:shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1926858

[Virginia Dare]

3. After declaring him the killer on Wednesday...

the media is tripping all over themselves today to back off that. What a joke "journalism" has become these days. It's all slash and burn bullshit.

[johnnie]

20. "What a joke "journalism" has become these days"

Didn't you read some of the posts here yesterday and the day before? People had him convicted and being put to death for this killing.

[Virginia Dare]

23. I don't get as worked up about a bunch of...

anonymous posters on a message board as I do about major network news people who are supposedly getting paid to report the truth to the public, and news organizations who hold licenses from the FCC letting them get away with that crap.

[johnnie]

24. Oh, I didn't get worked up either way

I don't take anything that "major network news" says seriously anyway. I'm just surprised that so many people here at DU still listen to what the talking heads on TV say without thinking for themselves.

[Virginia Dare]

25. Too true...

propaganda is a powerful weapon.

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Strange fellow indeed. Was he near Ford's Theater when Lincoln was shot?

This guy is one weird item.

[bleedingheart]

5. I think he needs a stay in a comfy mental institution where he can get

help...I don't think he killed the girl...but I do think his obsessions have made him dangerous..

[enid602]

11. Karr

Getting him out of Thailand might not be such a bad idea at the very least.

[Ganja Ninja]

6. He doesn't appear to be wrapped too tight.

I think this is going to turn out to be a hoax.

[Philosoraptor]

8. many here were ready to excecute him for killng jonbenet

you could almost say they jumped to contusions.

[Philosoraptor]

12. I've always suspected Patsy

I'll get fried for suggesting it, but my theory is no stupider than the big brother did it theory.

I believe Patsy controlled every aspect of Jonbenet's life, being a former beauty queen winner herself. She controlled her movements, her smiles, her walk, her persona, and I bet one night the little girl did something unforgivable like wet the bed or defy her mother and Patsy went off and maybe threw her down the stairs and she cracked her skull, and in a panic, Patsy staged a crime scene to cover her ass.

Of course I have no clue, but just as Karr is weird to watch, Patsy always creeped me out enough to make my flesh crawl.

[earth mom]

32. Patsy reaction was bizarre...

In all those interviews, you'd think you'd catch her choking up or tearing up or losing control...but nothing. No emotion. As a mom I can't imagine that kind of loss, so I want to believe in her innocence, but I just can't. :shrug:

[marions ghost]

34. Drugs

cause 'flat affect.' Anti-depressants. Chokes off emotions. Until you rule that out you can't have a feel for her true reactions.

just sayin'...I'm not invested in it one way or the other

[earth mom]

35. Aha-I didn't think of that. But I'm not one that likes to blur reality.

Though it's tempting these days...

[marions ghost]

37. Anyone who goes through a serious shock

like the murder of a child, would most likely be on some kind of drug therapy even temporarily. Those who have never experienced such a shock find it hard to understand how useful drugs can be for that purpose. Of course some people have what it takes to go through trauma without chemical help, but I'd say these days it's the minority. So I just assumed Patsy would be on meds, which can make you seem less reactive, less emotional to others.

Yeah it's tempting...if the abuse we are going through at the hands of our government continues, more people will use anti-depressants or anti-anxiety drugs (more profits for Big Pharma). I don't judge anyone who finds it hard going these days. Fearful times. I'm trying to get by with yoga and meditation (and the occasional acupuncture). But I feel the stress of it all fairly often.

[Scout1071]

33. Huh?

So controlling that she inserted a wooden object as a form of rape, hit her so hard with a blunt object that it left a nearly 12" gash in her skull and meticulously strangled her?

Sorry, doesn't sound like something a mother would do.....even as a cover-up.

The fact is that there is zero evidence that she is involved. None. Was she kind of a weird Fundie? No doubt. But there is no evidence whatsoever that she did that to her daughter. In fact, the only DNA evidence they have points to someone outside the family.

I'm not trying to "fry" you, but let's give this a rest now. Let's let that woman rest in peace now.

[zreosumgame]

36. so you claimed others 'jumped to conclusions'

then went ahead and detailed the ones you jumped too...all on the basis of incomplete and contaminated (by the police) evidence. See anything wrong there?

[Philosoraptor]

13. His 1st wife was 13- his 2nd wife was 16

then a long history of failed teaching jobs.

had an obsession with the polly klaas case and the ramsey case.

charged with possessing kiddie porn. divorced with 3 sons. has taught kids all over the world it seems.

[kurth]

15. Karr named his kid SEVEN

Raised in tiny Hamilton, Ala., the slightly built Lee Harvey Oswald lookalike met 13-year-old Quientana Shotts in 1983 and married her a year later, when he was 20. The marriage was annulled after nine months. Shotts said then that Karr forced her to lie about her age and marry him through "intimidation and fear" and that she feared for her life.

He married again in 1989 to 16-year-old Lara, who later said in divorce papers that he coerced her to get pregnant so they could get around the parental consent marriage law. Lara and Karr's twin daughters, Angel and Innocence, were stillborn. They immediately tried again, producing John Mark 2nd in 1990, Damon in 1992 and Seven Exodus in 1993.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/444569p-374304c.html

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SUSAN: I can tell you, I would never name my child Soda.
GEORGE: Oh, no no no. Course not. I got a great name for our kids. A Real original. You wanna hear what it is? Huh, you ready?
SUSAN: Yeah.
SUSAN: What is that? Sign language?
GEORGE: No, Seven.
SUSAN: Seven Costanza? You're serious?
GEORGE: Yeah. It's a beautiful name for a boy or a girl...

[InkAddict]

16. What strange name choices?????

son 1 = Two Christian apostles
son ii = Da(e)mon...Lucifer might have been a 2nd choice????
son iii = What year did the movie "Seven" come out??? - Seven Deadly Sins??? Please note: Dad is not innocent...of "superbia (hubris/pride), avaritia (avarice/greed), luxuria (extravagance, later lust), invidia (envy), gula (gluttony), ira (wrath), and acedia (sloth). What a moniker to live up to,huh?

Sounds to me there might be some fundie wrestling w/a devil going on???

[MoseyWalker]

17. what a wacky guy

this sort of thing creeps me out. Well, here is Exodus, chapter 7 with a sidebar of questions:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ex/7.html

(I think Se7en came out in '95)

[QuettaKid]

19. for some reason

the whole JonBenet thing reminds me of those freaky murals at the Denver Airport.""An African woman in colorful native garb; a Native American woman who's heritage the airport's art supposedly celebrates; a blonde girl with cupid bow lips, a Star of David on her chest and a bible in her hands. Each lay dead in open coffins for your viewing pleasure. A burning city, children sleeping on piles of bricks, a line of mourning women in rags with dead babies, limp in their arms. A huge, looming military figure in a gas mask brandishes a sword and machine gun. Part of an actual note written by a child interred in a Nazi death camp. Strange words embedded in the floor with no explanation about what they mean. Welcome to Denver Internatinal Airport!""

Little blonde girl lying in a coffin....nazi stormtrooper...cities burning in apocalypse. MKultra anyone?

[warrens]

18. Maybe he was in trouble in Thailand?

Or maybe he just wants to get his picture in the papers. Which has certainly happened.

[zreosumgame]

21. so a Dr who has not met him, nor spoken to him

is making a 'diagnosis' of him? I have no idea what he really said since it all went through several translator from what I have read, and am reserving judgement one way or the other. But I would like to point out that we know even less about him then we ever did about the crime itself (thanks to the Boulder moron cops) so saying yea or nay at this time is foolish...

[L A Woman]

22. One thing I don't get - if he was SO obsessed with this case....

why would he say that he picked her up from school and drugged her? I don't know know a lot about the case, but even I knew that it was Christmas! And this is a guy who supposedly knows the case inside and out...

(on edit - I don't know for sure that he said that, but I read it in a few places)

[senseandsensibility]

26. If you want to be informed about this case,

(and it's fine if you don't), go to www.denverpost.com. There is an amazing amount of detailed, factual coverage on that site. Most of it has been up for two or three days. It is obvious that the cable news lapdogs don't do even rudimentary research. Spend just a few minutes on that site and then watch CNN or MSNBC. You'll laugh out loud at how uninformed they are.

[Ron Green]

27. The important things are not the facts of the case, but that we keep

talking about it and watching it on TV.

Seamless news/entertainment/brandawareness/sports/crime/entertainment/news/brandawareness.....

It's a brilliant strategy, and it's working.

[Blue_In_AK]

28. He reminds me of that character

Martin Short used to play on SNL, Ed Grimley. I think it's his pants.

[MoseyWalker]

29. thank you!

I've been trying for 24 hours to figure out who he reminded me of.

:toast:

[Beausoir]

30. That's it!

The guy had his pants up to his armpits.

But this guy is way creepier than Ed Grimly.

[baldguy]

31. The media ghoules have been obsessed with this case for 10 yrs.

What's one more?