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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:20 AM
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Damn! The media assassination of Ned Lamont seems to be working
The Al-Quida candidate--and all that nonsense.

Latest poll gives Lieberman a 12-point lead--53-41.

Ned is leading among Democrats 63-35

but look at this--Joe is the overwhelming favorite of Republicans! garnering 75% of their vote, and of course we know all the GOP endorsements the "Independent Democrat" has gotten.

Among Indies Lieberman is up 56-36 over Lamont.

I think Lamont can still win this, but he has to get better than 80% of Democrats and start making inroads among Independents.

Fucking Lieberman.

(pardon my french)

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x19310.xml
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:22 AM
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1. Don't believe half of what you see and hear
Hype and mirrors by the MSM.....
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:24 AM
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6. Well this is the second poll to give Lieberman a lead
and given the closeness of the democratic primary and all the GOP endorsements Lieberman has gotten, it is likely he is doing well with Republicans and is getting a die-hard bloc of Democratic voters, too.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:40 AM
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16. At one point he was 18% ahead of Lamont
during the primaries.... Things change... The more he acts Republican, the more the Democratic Faithful will turn to Lamont....

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:58 AM
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19. perhaps but then I look at that Rasmussen poll which had it 40-40
and then after the primary Lieberman was up 46-41 and now this poll which is 53-41. As long as Lieberman is getting over a third of the Democratic vote it will be difficult for Lamont to win. But it is still early.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:50 AM
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20. The 'terror plot' came along between polls two....
... and three.

Not just Lamont, but all DEMS have to figure out a way to neutralize this tactic since it is political *mother's milk* for the demagogues who run this gov't.

No matter how ridiculous it appears to us... many voters conmtinue to be easily stampeded by this stuff.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:57 AM
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24. Check out the latest news
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:08 AM
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27. Not a biggie. During VN, the N.Vietnamese used ....
comments and images of anti-war rallies and statements by antiwar leaders.

Does this discredit the validity of the antiwar statements and leaders? 'Course not.

Would we expect the 'enemy' ( as defined arbitrarily by this gov't) *not* to use whatever propaganda they can possibly get their hands on?

That's not how things work.

If you're asking whether I think it's a Rovian conspiracy, OTOH, probably not.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:30 AM
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13. I'd be pretty suspect of the other half, too!
;)
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:23 AM
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2. Lieberman was more popular among Republicans than
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 08:23 AM by Eric J in MN
...Democrats in CT, even before Ned Lamont ran against him.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:25 AM
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7. of course that is true, but Lieberman decided that Democratic voters
in CT don't count--he should have just bolted the party and become a Republican.
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CollegeDUer Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:23 AM
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3. This is ridiculous
A moderate Democrat facing a practically rightist has-been is being casted as a terrorist supporter or something.

This is AWFUL. What does this say about democracy in this nation? You cross a small line and you get heralded as some kind of radical freak? Lamont is to the right of many of the Democrats in the Senate. Is the media also going to assasinate Feingold and Boxer? I mean, what gives here?

And don't they see what's happening in vermont? An open socialist is going to be elected to Senate, Bernie Sanders. And THAT'S ok with them -- it's taking down old Joe that's the great offense due to a far-left takoever.

What it really is is that the media likes the politicial establishment. You're not SUPPOSED to shake it up and fight for what you believe in in the primaries (except when its versus Congress's most progessive member Cynthia McKinney).

They hate democracy. They hate the fact that Conneticut citizens for once in 18 years actually get some real choice in their election. You can't do that. You have to vote party line for the "senior establishment figure" who's been there for so long. Otherwise you're some radical nut.

You see this anti-democratic message? Not just anti-Democrat, anti DEMOCRATIC.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:24 AM
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4. they are Deaning him....if he had lost he would have gotten
more positive air time...

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:26 AM
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11. That is a good likening--Deaning him
absolutely.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:24 AM
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5. That's right -- Lamont has to run a campaign . . .
It's not as if he expected that he'd walk into the office. Lieberman's been saying for weeks he'd run as an independent. I saw Lamont on TV yesterday, and while he's not as smooth as some politicians, he was pretty sharp, showed solid understanding of a broad range of issues (not just that the Iraq war was a bad idea), and is beginning to show up in the press with a solid pro-entrepreneur theme.

I think he can win the old fashioned way: hard work.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:26 AM
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8. Let theRethugs and MSM continue
the backfire is coming.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:26 AM
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9. Lamont cut Lieberman's lead in half over the last Q-poll.
11 pts is a decent post-primary bump.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:26 AM
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10. 11% of Americans think Bush is "liberal"
according to a poll I saw recently (Rasmussen?) What can you say, there are a lot of dumb people out there. The biggest problem Lamont faces is that the Republicans have abandoned their candidate in CT.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:56 AM
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17. it's because of disinformation also
the MSM tells folks that Bush is a liberal because his spending is out of control and his other failures of policy. It's so frustrating sometimes, but I have seen people say this, that instead of any inherent flaws in NeoConservative thought, they flip it around and say he's too liberal.

:banghead: :wtf: :crazy:
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:28 AM
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12. He's doing OK; a lot of this is name recognition; but....
...Lamont's people have to get working on that Ind. voter bloc, the largest chunk of CT voters, as I recall.

More emphasis on Ned as the "un-politician' , citizen-candidate, that sort of thing. This works well in CT and contrasts nicely with the sad old clubhouse dinosaur he's challenging.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:30 AM
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14. Yes, Independents outnumber both Dems and Rep in Ct.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:36 AM
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15. It's the media, stupid (not you)! What do you expect? nt
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:58 AM
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18. Can Someone Remind Me - How Were Ned's Numbers At The Start Of The Primary
?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:51 AM
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21. They're polling Repukes now as well...Welcome to the NBA
Give Ned time...he will keep reminding the DEMOCRATIC base that he's the candidade with the D behind his name. These numbers will get better.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:55 AM
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22. And on primary night when I said Joe would have the easier route to

a win in November I was laughed at.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:12 AM
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30. I'm not laughing but it's
not over yet.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:14 AM
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32. I didn't say it was over at all

just not going to be easy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:18 AM
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33. Not easy at all and the harder
it is the sweeter the victory!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:56 AM
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23. There's time.
It's not time to freak out yet.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:58 AM
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25. Here's an idea
Ned needs to get himself on The Daily Show. :think:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:12 AM
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29. I'm hoping that will happen and
I think further down the line would be better..please check out my post towards the end of this thread..Good News!
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:03 AM
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26. its the medias fault...........
they should be interviewing Lamont on their talk shows and not talking about Liebermans campaign to run as an Indy............

Lamont WON.......what doesn't the media GET????????? the people have spoken in Conn.

I put the blame directly on the media ...who is obeying the bush administrations' orders
:thumbsdown:

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:10 AM
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28. Well, I'm gonna give you some Good
News!

"Kerry tapped his 3 million-person e-mail list on Wednesday to deliver a fundraising appeal for Lamont, the anti- Iraq war political newcomer who beat three-term Sen. Joe Lieberman last week in Connecticut's hard-fought Democratic primary contest.

"Ned Lamont has caused a national stir by successfully challenging the Bush position on Iraq that ignores the utter failure of the President's policy," Kerry's message said."


"The Kerry e-mail also touted two Democratic Senate incumbents facing tough fights this fall, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Daniel Akaka of Hawaii. Both oppose the war.

"Ned, Dan and Bob have been attacked mercilessly for acting with such conviction and are locked in close must-win races," said Kerry, D-Mass. "It's time to reward their courage."


Now I know why only one of the Hawaiian Senators is for traitor joe!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060816/ap_on_el_se/kerry_lamont



I just Love that John Kerry is doing this and no "it's not too late"!!










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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:13 AM
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31. Don't freak out. Lamont gained 13 points and LIE gained 2 from 1 month ago
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 10:15 AM by w4rma
Lamont is right where he needs to be.

P.S. You are correct about the national media.
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