40 teens to "die" on pier to show Roe v Wade is "NOT settled law"

[Bluebear]

:crazy:

To: National Desk

Contact: Arianna Grumbine, Communications Director for Survivors, 909-744-7283

ORANGE COUNTY, Calif., Jan. 20 /Christian Wire Service/ -- At 12:30 pm on Saturday, January 21st, dozens of young people will collapse as if dead on the Huntington Beach pier. Saturday is the day before the 33rd anniversary of Roe vs. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion. These young people, part of the organization Survivors, will gather in a protest to symbolize the millions of children that have died in what they call “the holocaust of our generation.”

The group made news in March 2004 when they conducted these “die-ins” in front of the “March for Women’s Lives” in Washington DC and again during the Democratic National Convention in Boston.

They are now using this protest to call attention to the fact that the Roe vs. Wade decision and the millions of abortions it sanctions is not settled law.

“With the appointment of two new justices to the Supreme Court, our nation is at a turning point. “Abortion never should have been the law of the land. The tide is changing. Americans are coming to grips with the horror of abortion and the reality that abortion hurts women. The changing face of the Supreme Court is a reflection of America’s change of heart.”

Katie White, 15, one of the young people who will be “dying” on Saturday, said, “We hope that the people passing by will see our bodies and contemplate how abortion has killed one-third of our generation. We hope that they will look forward with us to the time when Roe vs. Wade and the death it unleashed is just a dark past in our country. Just as I can’t imagine slavery and separate drinking fountains for “coloreds” I hope the next generation will not be able to imagine legalized child-killing.”

“Our society is a visual society,” says Arianna Grumbine, spokesperson for Survivors. “They need to see, at least symbolically, the reality of what abortion has done in the past 33 years. This protest is an effective way to visualize that reality. Passersby are challenged with the question, “What if the people you see lying on the ground were actually dead? Would you care? Would you do something?”

The group will be conducting their protest for half an hour and then moving on to another location.

Spokespersons for the group will be available on site for interviews or before the event by contacting Cheryl Conrad 909.213.8472 or Arianna Grumbine 909.744.7283.

Survivors Website: www.survivors.la

http://www.earnedmedia.org/sur0120.htm

[SmokingJacket]

1. Great. I'll be there with my coathanger. nt

[elehhhhna]

24. pour a little sanctifying holy oil on the pier before they show up lol

[im10ashus]

39. LOL!

I think I just spit water through my nose. Thanks!

[thefloyd]

2. So I assume

there will also be 40 teens acting like Iraqi civilians as well?

[Dawgs]

69. WTF!!!

How about adding dead mother's to show what would happen if abortion became illegal. :puke:

[hopeisaplace]

3. what about the children that die from neglect and poverty?????

...oh I forgot they've already been born, they don't count now...
:wow: :wow: :sarcasm:

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. No need for sarcasm when it's their

TRUTH

MePublicans don't care about the BORN children, they starve those who can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps! Nice, huh? :grr:

[hopeisaplace]

14. you know what's a huge reality too...are kids that have no lunch at school

..this breaks my heart so much. This is a big problem everywhere.
I live in Canada, and it's a problem here too. I worry about
"all children"...believe it or not, throughout my day, I'll think
about there being a child somewhere suffering "right this very minute"
without love or food or shelter or is ill..it rips me up inside. There is
so much on this planet, enough for everyone. It's seriously sad.

[JuniperLea]

31. I'm with you, hope

Ten thousand kids go to bed hungry in Los Angeles County alone. We can't take care of the kids we have.

I am pro choice and anti abortion. It hurts sometimes how torn I am.

[hopeisaplace]

37. me too, I'm pro choice/anti-abortion - the choice should be the

individuals not the governments.

[JuniperLea]

38. Yep

That's the bottom line.

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. I agree with you. When ** was Gov of Texas he was told that

5% of children in Texas went to bed hungry. He replied something like this, "Wouldn't the Gov. know if kids were going to bed hungry?" :banghead: And then did nothing about it! :grr:

[hopeisaplace]

42. unbelievable...really really really sad

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Yep he was a POS even then! And still the morans in this state love him.

:banghead: He was asked in Sept. '00 about the impending deficit we were facing, know what he said? He said that he hoped he wouldn't be here to deal with it, he was seeking a higher office. Translation=he was fixing to screw the rest of America like he did Texas. And he DID

[FreedomAngel82]

57. Don't forget all those executions he did

He has so much blood on his hands.

[stanwyck]

49. The majority of problems on our planet

would be solved if only people had children they truly wanted and could take care of properly.
Instead of theatre on a pier, these young people should be donating their time to hold babies afflicted with AIDS. Or soothing the victims of child abuse. Or fundraising for children without adequate food, housing, or clothing.
This is egocentric behavior. It's about the self and the attention. Vainglory.
No babies are being helped. No children are being helped.
It's ego masturbation for the participants.

[Dulcinea]

63. We have a winner! ding*ding*

Forced parenthood isn't going to solve anything!

If these hypocrites were truly "pro-life" they would be helping children that are already here.

Dulcinea
mother of 2

[Mad_Dem_X]

70. EXACTLY!

They need to focus on the children who are actually here and in need!!!

[FreedomAngel82]

56. And sometimes that lunch is all they get

And now they're not even going to get that. :(

[lonestarnot]

71. and beatings? forgot them too I guess!

[undeterred]

4. If they were actually dead

they would actually be making a statement about what happens when women do not have access to safe abortions.

[Sal Minella]

27. Great Post.

[w13rd0]

5. If they really cared...

...about the courage of their convictions, they wouldn't fake it.

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[Bluebear]

53. :)

[dusmcj]

8. Holocaust of our Generation was Bush 1 engineering of Connected society

which was the enabler for the current corruptoracy of the Old World Ordure. Obey Natural Law, which says that you have to be Confident and Firm before being right. Be Positive about Recognizing Leaders.

Be more interested in showing your friends that you can get a hardon than in learning how to use it optimally.

You can't fool all the people all the time.

[DanCa]

9. Lets start picketing them for a change.

We've got to fight fire with fire. Imagine if eighty thousand of us DU'ers would start converging on the dc prolife headquarters. What a day that would be.

[annabanana]

29. blow this up and put it on a placard..... (graphic)

(they're so damned fond of showing fetus pictures...)

[Iris]

47. omg.

Yes, graphic, but maybe a story that needs to be told now before it's too late.

[Coexist]

68. If you think the photo is bad, listen to this poor woman's story...

Geraldine Santoro
August 16, 1935 - June 8, 1964
The photo of Geraldine Santoro dead on a hotel room floor has become a symbol for the horror of illegal abortion. Gerri, as she was known, lived on her family farm in Coventry, Conn., with her two daughters. At the age of 28, separated from her abusive husband, she became pregnant by another man, Clyde Dixon. Afraid that her husband would kill her if he found out, she and Dixon looked for ways to terminate her pregnancy. With no other options, they attempted to perform the procedure themselves. When the operation went awry, Dixon fled, leaving Santoro behind where she bled to death. A chambermaid found her body the next morning.

http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/120904women-who-died.html

[NoPasaran]

10. What a bunch of babies

Why don't they jump off the pier instead? Fucking lemmings.

[DanCa]

11. Or better yet enlist.

[Hobarticus]

16. Teens their age are REALLY dying, right now...where's their outrage? n/t

[DanCa]

18. But they're post embryos they dont count.

[Hobarticus]

20. Sanctity of life....until they're not cute n' cuddly anymore?

Kinda like people who love kittens, but not cats.

Damn...this brand of Christianity is tough to keep up with.

[DanCa]

22. Nah just remember that they agree with OBL on abortion.

It all becomes clearer.

[TahitiNut]

28. Exactly. Sign 'em up for the Deferred Enlistment Program. Cannon fodder!

[DiverDave]

12. I would be interested in the answer to this question:

Would you, and your family, take a child that would have been aborted and provide for him/her until they are 18?
You know what the answer is?
A resounding "NO"
So, add hypocrite to the list of labels these "christians" carry.

[JuniperLea]

40. I dunno

I know several Christian's who would do just that given the chance. Some of them do walk the talk ya know.

[me b zola]

52. How about if the child wasn't a cute baby,

..but rather an eight year old with emotional difficulties as a result of having lived in the foster care system? How many of those people would extend themselves under those circumstances?????

[FreedomAngel82]

58. They still need to respect other people's rights

"Your rights end where my nose begins." These people are so freakin ignorant on Roe v Wade. It just isn't about abortion. It's about protecting women! If Roe v Wade is taken away a woman wouldn't even be able to talk to someone about having an abortion if she is still uncertain because she would have to be turned over to the police! These jerks aren't even thinking of that except themselves! They're all selfish and need to grow up!

[Hobarticus]

13. Breaking: well-off healthy teens on martyr kick draw stares and giggles

Offer no alternatives to abortion, just fall and flail about.

In other news, young men and women their age are REALLY dying in Iraq....but they had no comment.

[Bluebear]

15. Bravo. nt

[fasttense]

17. I wonder if they represent those women in Saipan who were forced

to have abortions, while Delay and Abramoff partied on the beach?

[bobbieinok]

54. simplistic question---what is this in reference to????

[fasttense]

64. In the spring of 2005 ABC 20/20 had a story about Saipan.

Saipan is a UN trust territory administered by the US. It is a tourist destination known for its turquoise waters, white sandy beaches and golfing.

Turns out if you make something in Saipan you can call it "Made in America." So big companies like the Gap, Liz Claiborne, Wal-Mart Old Navy, JC Penny, Ralph Lauren etc... have "factories" there. Local business owners won some labor law exemptions (minimum wage is $3.15 there). They can, and do, import poor guest workers (brush's favorite immigration policy) from China, the Philippines, Indonesia and other places. It is a secret haven from American labor laws and safety requirements.

In come the sweatshops that are surrounded by barbed wire, forced prostitution and indentured servitude. But to make matters worse, most of guest workers are females and none of them have had babies in last five years. Strange, considering many of them are prostitutes. Turns out businessmen fire any woman who gets pregnant. It interferes with their work productivity you know. Several women and Christian aid workers were interviewed by ABC news 20/20. They said pregnant women are routinely referred to abortion clinics or threatened with loss of their jobs if they don't abort their babies.

Some Dems tried to make Saipan's labor laws equal to CONUS. The repukes (Delay and Abramoff) got wind of it and stop the legislation. Big corporations paid for Delay and Abramoff to go to Saipan and golf. For some reason, Delay did not see the barbed wire, ramshackle factories without toilet facilities and booming sex trade.

Delay said everything was great and got congress to stop legislation to bring Saipan up to current labor standards.

Delay said to Saipan sweatshop owners and prostitute rings, "You are a shining light for what is happening in the Republican Party."

[cornermouse]

19. I'll volunteer to push them off the pier.

O8) They're teenagers, they can swim.

[Bluebear]

21. And if they sink, they were witches!

:)

[cornermouse]

25. lol

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[progdonkey]

32. no, they're witches if they float... ;-)

Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them.
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches.
Peasant 2: Wood.
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically...
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore...
Peasant 2: ...A witch!

:rofl:

[karlrschneider]

23. I'll tie their hands, THEN you can push.

:grr:

[cornermouse]

26. Nah. We want to surprise them

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[JuniperLea]

30. PU stinky

I wonder how many will show up. And I wonder if they can even get on the pier tomorrow. The beaches down there are all closed due to a sewage spill.

[sandnsea]

33. Abortion didn't just come into existence in 1973

Aargh, there have always been abortions, 700,000 in 1973. Do these twits seriously believe they just didn't happen before Roe??

[Straight Shooter]

34. Well, well, well, aren't they the lucky little privileged snots.

They were wanted by their parents, and fed and clothed well.

Killed one-third of your generation, Katie? Damn, you're stupid. I mean, really stupid.

[high density]

35. Let me guess, they're members of the "Junior Anti-Sex League?"

Sounds kinda famliar in a way.

[insanity]

36. Soo glad I moved from HB

Sad thing is, I went to school with some of those kids.

[kevinbgoode]

44. Someone needs to tell these wackos

that, based on their "traditional" religious beliefs, the number of people participating in that silly little theater display pales in comparison to the number of babies killed each time a hetero-supremacist...um...plays with himself.

[MrMonk]

45. Where did this "one-third" number come from?

[Iris]

48. and since when was America ever unaware of the horrors of abortion?

[ComerPerro]

66. Probably right out of thin air

[Lucille]

46. Hmmm. 15-20% of confirmed pregancies end in miscarriage

Although the incidence of naturally occuring miscarriages may actually be as high as 50%--at least that's what you'll be told if you ever visit a fertility clinic hoping to conceive.

So when that young lady mourns the deaths of a "whole generation lost to abortion," I wonder how she mourns the 15-50% of aborted fetuses that would have been miscarried anyway. I mean, do they--the mechanically aborted but about to be naturally aborted fetuses--get angel wings, too?

And what about all those filled petri dishes at the fertility clinics...Do those zygotes get angel wings? Were they even remembered by 15 year old Katie White as one of the "lost generation"? And when is she and her friends going to start marching on fertility clinics? After all, those institutions cruelly freeze babies, and, when they're not chosen for implantation, thaw them out and dump 'em as medical waste. How terribly cruel.

[JuniperLea]

50. Excellent point, Lucille!

All those firtilized eggs... erm... babies thought to have souls at conception.


You might also say that God is terminating pregnancies left and right (pardon the pun).

[Rex]

51. Must suck to feel helpless like that.

The only power these groups can gain is over other people's reproduction rites. Silly cultists, go save some sperm! I see some embryos being repressed! :crazy:

[FreedomAngel82]

55. I have a good idea

Let's give each person who has done this demonstration an adoptive child for a year and see how they can handle it. No money. They have to find a job on their own. No support any other way (moral). Let's see how they like it.

[WernhamHogg]

59. This stuff pisses me off

If these kids (and the adults pulling the strings) have so much free time on their hands to do this, why not volunteer at Big Brothers/Big Sisters. You know, become a mentor for one of the kids whose single mother "chose life" and who is now working two jobs just to make ends meet...

Oops, nevermind, that would take WAY too much effort. Much easier to go and lay down on a pier every few weeks... :mad:

[cap]

60. i could have had a "for real" die in

I am a 47 year old married Catholic woman. I had some irregular bleeding and spent the night in the ER with my hubby. It turned out no big deal... but under the Old Ways that these kids are advocating, I would have been left to bleed on that table until the tissue passed from my body...just so the doctors would not have had to perform an abortion.

Told hubby if there was anything wrong like that in the future, not to take me to a Catholic hospital.

[gordontron]

61. just what we need a huge population boost

god dammit these people are dumb as f**k, you don't want people to bring up children they can't take care of that just leads to a more screwed up society. I'm really tired of all these pro-lifers who are pro-war, pro death penalty, and pro hypocrisy. Now I'm not saying that abortion is great, indeed it should be a last resort, but sheesh I guess I've just run out of patience with blind pro-lifers. sorry for the rant

[varkam]

62. Some interesting implications...

There are some interesting implications, I think, if one were to accept the notion that a human life begins at the exact moment of conception. This point was raised in a further post, but I just wanted to take it a step further. About 60% or so of fertilized embryos do not get attached to the wall of the uterus, and are therefore not carried to term. That's not even including spontaneous abortions. Now, if one were to accept the J-C notion, then they (fertilized eggs) should all be issued social security numbers. Should they not get attached or are spontaneously aborted, the family should have legal standing to claim death dependent.
In Kentucky (the state in which I reside), the death rate would increase some 47,000 per year. Factor in the age (0) to the average life expectancy of an American, and it gets dragged down about 18 years.

Just some food for thought...

[ComerPerro]

67. And maybe whenever a woman has a miscarriage

we should have a full police investigation and charge her with involuntary manslaughter.

[ComerPerro]

65. "See, if all these children had been aborted

then this pier would be empty right now. But, since they were allowed to live, it is instead full of braindead Bushbot morons."

[newportdadde]

72. So when will their parents be adopting that unwanted minority child?

[ProfessorGAC]

73. Now, If We Could Only Get Them To Jump Off That Pier

Preferrably with a lead weight in each pocket. The use of the term "holocaust" completely invalidates any point they wish to make.

Typical dumbass symbolism from a bunch of kids who haven't learned anything yet.
The Professor