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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:07 AM
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Look Who's Talking About Near-Unanimous Support For Transparent Elections
http://wedonotconsent.blogspot.com/2006/08/look-whos-talking-about-near-unanimous.html

Look Who's Talking About Near-Unanimous Support For Transparent Elections

The Zogby poll showing that 92% of Americans favor the right to see how votes are counted is a huge story starting to show up all over the place. http://wedonotconsent.blogspot.com/2006/08/92-of-americans-favor-publics-right-to.html">I first wrote about this Sunday morning. I gave the piece to OpEdNews, who has picked up my previous stories rather quickly, but didn't post this one until Monday night. Late Monday afternoon the Voter Confidence Committee also issued this press release.

Those pieces, plus all of the ones below, cite Tuesday for the release of the polling data. I saw the cross tabs myself and had no doubt we were citing real numbers when we started reporting. Now it's almost Wednesday and the Zogby "Whatz New?" page still hasn't mentioned our poll. Why? is a good question. Attorney Paul Lehto represents the voters in the CA-50 lawsuit and commissioned the Zogby poll. Lehto put out this statement earlier tonight:
"Everything seems on track but Zogby has been swamped and there was a delay for tweaks in the text of the press release. The release is now set for Noon EST, Wed."
That's 9am here in CA. I'll have more on this in the morning to be sure. Meanwhile, the train has left the station...

BradBlog has done some number crunching to produce some exclusive charts not shown anywhere else, although (Winter Patriot subbing for) Brad does reprint the entire Scoop article written by Michael Collins. Collins runs ElectionFraudNews.com, and has filed many other key election integrity stories for Scoop, including this one on the CA-50 lawsuit and this article from last Christmas Day when he covered the California Unity Campaign I started at GuvWurld.

Kathy Dopp wrote this press release for the National Election Data Archive (NEDA). Democracy For New Hampshire posted these comments. And a new Humboldt blog called Center Opposition, written by the pseudonymous Blogger Critic, mentions the poll http://centeropposition.blogspot.com/2006/08/what-your-democracy-is-supposed-to.html">here by pointing back to WDNC. Center Opposition debuted last weekend and somehow I was the first to comment on the very first post. The writer is smart. Check it out.

As more people are talking about this, Lehto has strongly encouraged people to emphasize the significance of the 92% support for election transparency:
First, I put it IN CONTEXT. It's one of the highest political values ever measured. Pretty much the ONLY way we can come up with anything more popular is to go to something about which there is NO SUBSTANTIAL CONTROVERSY. But with the ability to view vote counting and obtain information on it, THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS RAPIDLY MOVING TO ELIMINATE THIS WIDELY HELD AND BELIEVED VALUE ABOUT THE FOUNDATIONS OF DEMOCRACY.

WHAT DOES 92% MEAN? IT MEANS WINNING IF YOU KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE PRIZE

It's way higher than people who wouldn't mind a free tax cut.

It's Higher than Bush's approval rating after 9-11.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

It's higher than the approval ratings of any departing President. http://uspolitics.about.com/library/bl_historical_approval.htm

I'll bet it's higher than the approval ratings of Pres. Lincoln and Pres. Washington TODAY, if they exist. Though i'm willing to be proven wrong on that. Anyone?

It's higher than the approval rating of any senator, governor or President since WWII, at any time. See, e.g., http://www.surveyusa.com/50governors rated051005.htm others at main link.

It's higher than the 87% thinking oil companies are gouging consumers these days. http://alternet.org/wiretap/29788

And, it's also higher than the percentage of people who can get a basic math long division problem right.

And so, if you can find it in your courage quotient to mention the high price of gas benefiting the oil companies, notch that up at least another 5% to get at how much easier it is to comment against secret vote counting and in favor of public involvement and rights to get information about vote counting...
I agree with Lehto that this is a mammoth opportunity. We are now in position to get some of our most important points clearly heard. Best of all, we can make these points knowing that the super-majority understands and agrees. What we need is for progressive media to start an echo chamber. Accordingly, now seems like a good time to revisit the election talking points I posted in June (excerpt):
1. Secret vote counting guarantees inconclusive outcomes. Whether it is paperless DREs or optical scanners with interpreted or proprietary code, votes are being "counted" in secret, without even a chance for voters, elections officials or the media to examine the process or verify the results.

2. Unverified voting means there is NO BASIS for confidence in the results reported. Blind trust is required to accept current election results.

3. The media should not report what it cannot prove or independently verify. We now have faith-based reporting about faith-based elections.

4. The Consent of the Governed is being assumed, not sought, under current election conditions. According to the Declaration of Independence, the "just Power" of government derives from the Consent of the Governed.

5. Here is a partial list (in no particular order) of additional items to which we must say: We Do Not Consent.
a) The lost presumption of innocence;
b) Spying on Americans and an overall loss of privacy;
c) Government lawlessness;
d) Destruction of our environment;
e) The promise of endless war;
f) Free speech zones;
g) Depleted Uranium (Mr. Bush's slow-motion holocaust);
h) Government run media;
i) Secret prisons, torture and war crimes;
j) and We Do Not Consent to secret vote counting machines.
The larger question that should emerge from these talking points is: Has the Consent of the Governed been withdrawn, YET? Presented this way the question takes a tone of inevitability - not if, but when! This is how we pave a path to a tipping point.

(Read the rest of the Talking Points Memo On Elections (for Progressive media)

UPDATE: 8/23/06 1:45am

More chatter at Raw Story, The Democratic Daily, Daily Kos, and VoteTrustUSA, which has Collins's Scoop article.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:11 AM
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:33 AM
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:36 AM
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3. This has got to be the best thing I have read in a long time
if not forever.

:kick: and Recommend
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 05:03 AM
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4. WOW! K&R
Insomnia isn't so bad when I get to read things like this! Now I must decide who to WAKE-UP so I can spread the news!
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 06:35 AM
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5. Huge K & R !!!
Send this far & wide, from coast to coast to the furthest corners of the nation.

AMERICANS WANT CLEAN AND FAIR ELECTIONS, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR POLITICAL LEANING. THE FIGURES PROVE IT.

All of the talking heads need to see this! SG
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 08:14 AM
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6. So how did the corporate fascists get this one by the American people?
...a bloodless (if you don't count Iraqis and U.S. cannon fodder) coup...fast-track conversion of our election system to electronic voting machines, run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code--code so secret not even our secretaries of state are permitted to review it--owned and controlled by corporations with very close ties to the Bush regime, with virtually no audit/recount controls?

92%, if asked, want transparent vote counting. But nobody asked.

Funded by a $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle from the Anthrax Congress, that favored the LEAST transparent voting machines in a non-transparent system (paperless touchscreens), with no controls on lavish lobbying, no paper trail requirement, no controls on secret industry "testing" of the machines, and no transparency requirements whatsoever. Installed at breathtaking speed between 2002 and 2004. Unreliable and extremely insider hackable voting machines--pieces of crap machinery, really--that nobody could service, repair, maintain or upgrade except private corporate personnel. Election officials were into counting votes--but none of them had a clue how to "count" ELECTRONS.

Virtually all Republican "pod people" voted for it. No surprise there. But all but 60 House Democrats, and ALL BUT TWO* Senate Democrats voted for it. Are they nuts? Did they inhale too much anthrax? Or was this like the Patriot Act--a seeming necessity of the post 9/11 world: NON-TRANSPARENT elections by which to shove the hideous "war on terror," the even more hideous "war on Iraq" and a new and improved war on Lebanon, Syria and Iran down the throats of the American people?

We know what accounts for the silence of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies on Bushite corporations taking over the election system with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code. They've all gone over to the Dark Side. (Just read Judith Miller's war propaganda on the front page of the NYT, day after day, leading up to the invasion of Iraq. The nation's "paper of record.") Not a peep out of the 5 fascist jerks who own all the "news" in the country. But what accounts for the MIND-BOGGLING SILENCE of the Democratic Party leadership as BUSHITE corporations took over the counting of our votes? It's not as if these corporations were disguised as innocent businesses, into public service. They were out there, pushing for Bush's "re-election":

DIEBOLD: Until recently, headed by Wally O'Dell, a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser (a Bush "Pioneer" right up there with Ken Lay), who promised in writing to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush-Cheney in 2004";

ES&S: A spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture), initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things). Diebold and ES&S have an incestuous relationship; they are run by two brothers, Bob and Todd Urosevich. These are the people who "counted" 80% of the nation's votes in 2004, under a veil of corporate secrecy.

SEQUOIA: The third big election theft player, which employs Republican former CA Sec of State, Bill Jones, and his chief aide, Alfie Charles, to peddle their secretly programmed voting machines--the filthy practice of "revolving door" employment.

In any case, the PLAIN FACTS of the so-called "Help America Vote Act"--engineered by the biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (both now either indicted or resigned in bribery scandals), abetted by Bilderberg 'Democrat' Christopher Dodd--SCREAM FRAUD. This is an INHERENTLY FRAUDULENT election system that violates the most fundamental principles of democracy. Why did the Democrats vote for it? And why did they ALSO place an "Iron Curtain" of SILENCE over its installation? --an "Iron Curtain" so total and severe that, when Democratic CA Secretary of State Kevin Shelley went after one of these bad actors, Diebold, sued them for lying about the security of their machines, de-certified the worst machines (the touchscreens), and demanded to see their source code, prior to the 2004 election, the ENTIRE STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY came down on him like a ton of bricks and "swift-boated" him out of office on entirely bogus corruption charges? Not the Republicans. Not Schwarzenegger. Not Karl Rove (--although the Bushites likely did the "special ops" that started it). The DEMOCRATS--whom the people of California (in addition to ELECTING Shelley) had given a 2 to 1 majority in both houses of the state legislature to prevent this very thing: BAD government! And now we have a Diebold shill and Schwarzenegger APPOINTEE, Bruce McPherson, as Secretary of State--who just illegally RE-certified Diebold touchscreens!

It's easy enough to understand Bushite "pod people." They are thieves, hypocrites and fascists--entirely lacking in the conscience gene. But what of OUR party--MY party, loyal Democratic voter and supporter that I am, lo these 40 years? Where WERE they when the would-be executioner of gay citizens took over our election system? Where WERE they when a Bush-Cheney campaign chair began "counting" all our votes with TRADE SECRET programming code?

92% want transparent elections. And we get THIS--the most non-transparent election system ever devised by fascist man. 56% didn't want the war on Iraq--back in Feb. '03, BEFORE the invasion. Guess what we got? Not just war on Iraq--DISASTROUS war on Iraq, featuring torture, civil war and wholesale looting of both our countries. 60% to 70% want us out of there NOW. The twerp dictator Bush says no. EIGHTY-FOUR PERCENT (in a recent poll) oppose any U.S. participation in a widened Mideast war. The Bush junta is planning their "Gulf of Tonkin" incident as I write this. We'll be in it before November. 63% oppose torture "under any circumstances" (May '04)--UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!--and we have torture at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and in secret torture dungeons in middle Europe and points east. IN YOUR FACE fascism, at home and abroad.

And all our Democratic Party leaders can do is wring their hands and say, "Gee, how do these Republicans keep getting elected? Maybe we'd better TONE DOWN our MESSAGE. Just send us more campaign donations, and maybe we can save Social Security."

What difference does it make if Diebold/ES&S (s)elects Democrats in '08, who CAN'T save Social Security because the fund has ALREADY BEEN LOOTED to pay for "Bush's war" and to lard the super-rich with more tax cuts? What difference does it make if we have Bush bombing and invading Iran, from his 15 permanent military bases in Iraq, or Democrats LYING that they will "withdraw" our troops from Iraq "to Kuwait" and then conducting a more efficient, more accountable bombing and invasion of Iran, in a widened war "inherited" from Bush AFTER the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident that the Bush Cartel/NeoCons are even now arranging? What bloody difference does it make if they are ALL warmongers and fascists--but the Democrats are just SNEAKIER?** What the hell is wrong with these people, that they would let Diebold and ES&S take over our election system?!

I've had it--as maybe you can tell. Autorank and Landshark's Zogby poll has sent me over the edge. WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE for the American people to get THEIR WILL enforced, as expressed in every goddamn poll in the country--corporate or independent, approval poll and issue poll--over the last three years? --every poll EXCEPT FOR the 2004 (s)election?!!

Hm?

Is this democracy going down--or are we going to fight back? How do we do that--fight back--without being killed, or "rendered" to a middle European country for torture?

We do it as one. We do it by massive Absentee Ballot voting this November***. We BOYCOTT their diabolical election theft machines. We FLOOD election officials with MOUNTAINS of paper AB votes to deal with, and FORCE them to the table NOW. They are NEVER going to GIVE US BACK our right to vote. We have to FORCE it. NOW.

This is the only way that I can see of peacefully getting rid of these machines before our democracy is gone. We have to JUMP-START election reform NOW.

Bust the Machines! Bust Bush! Bust the War! Bust Congress! Bust the goddamned sneaky War Democrats* who voted for Diebold and ES&S to "count" our votes in secret! VOTE ABSENTEE THIS NOVEMBER!



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*(The ONLY Democratic Senate votes against HAVA were Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer. Go figure.)

**(Will I be voting Democratic? You bet I will. The Democratic Party is a mixed bag. Some very good leaders; some traitors to democracy. It is the ONLY VEHICLE for change. If the PEOPLE lead, I believe that the Democratic Party will potentially respond. It has to come from the bottom--the grass roots, the rank and file. And that IS happening--on the war, and on election reform. In Calif, we have a very good candidate running for Sec of State (Shelley's office)--DEBRA BOWEN--against usurper Bruce McPherson. Good candidates have been moved to run for office all over the country--Ned Lamont being a high profile example. CT has the old-fashioned, reliable lever machines (that's why he won the primary), but a new central electronic tabulation system (that's why he didn't win it as big as he should have). Almost all are handicapped by Diebold/ES&S (5% to 10% handicap--"thumb on the scales" for Bushites and warmongers--at least). In some races, turnout can overwhelm that handicap. The Absentee Ballot protest will HELP turnout. It provides MOTIVATION to vote--to help UN-rig the system. In paperless electronic voting systems, it provides a BALLOT--for recounts and statistical analysis comparisons. Some Democrats are good, some bad. But we have NO alternative to the Democrats in most cases. We MUST work through this party for change. Dreams of a multiparty system are way, way off in the future. We must first RESTORE OUR RIGHT TO VOTE through pressure on our party leaders and by refusing to vote on the rigged machines.)

***(Absentee Ballot votes are NOT "safe"--and will NOT produce accurate vote counts in November (that is impossible)--but, if enough people vote AB (and many are--it's up to 50% in Los Angeles)--we CAN create enough panic and crisis in the election theft industry to FORCE reform in the only venue possible, local/state jurisdictions, where the decisions about election system purchases are still made, and where ordinary people still have some influence. An AB vote is a VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE in this NON-TRANSPARENT vote counting system. It says: 'I REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEATH OF THIS DEMOCRACY by electronic voting machines. They may scan my AB vote into these rigged electronics. They may toss my AB vote aside and "count" it LAST. But it is not by MY action that my vote will be disappeared or stolen. I *WILL NOT* PARTICIPATE IN THIS!' What good will these expensive new election theft machines be, if nobody will vote on them? All electronic voting machines must go--including optiscans and central tabulators--all are run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code.)

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Absentee Ballot voting is the Montgomery Bus Boycott and the Boston Tea Party, 2006-style. Join the citizen revolt against electronic voting! VOTE ABSENTEE THIS NOVEMBER!






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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:28 AM
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7. That's the most recommendations I ever got while sleeping
Thanks for pumping up this story, everybody

:woohoo:
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:48 AM
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8. Eureka Times-Standard picks up VCC press release
http://www.times-standard.com/local/ci_4224310

Article Launched: 08/23/2006 04:16:07 AM PDT

Local election group touts national survey results
The Times-Standard

Zogby poll reveals citizens' support of election reform efforts

EUREKA -- Ninety-two percent of Americans support transparency and verifiability in elections, according to a new Zogby poll released Tuesday.

The Voter Confidence Committee of Humboldt County, in a press release, endorsed the survey's conclusions. The survey was commissioned by election protection attorney Paul Lehto, currently representing San Diego voters in a challenge to the results of California's 50th District Congressional contest held June 6.

The press release states that election integrity advocates in Humboldt County -- such as Dave Berman, co-founder of the Voter Confidence Committee -- have steadily pressed exactly this point of emphasis.

Berman said positive developments in his efforts include adoption of the Voter Confidence Resolution by the Arcata City Council; creation of the citizens' Election Advisory Committee; the commitment of County Clerk Carolyn Crnich to the “Humboldt Transparency Project;” and the impending launch of a series of events on media accountability.

”These nearly unanimous Zogby poll results should be a huge wake-up call,” said Berman. “It is long past time our Board of Supervisors recognizes that the public sees this as a crisis on which they must act to change our election conditions.”
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:42 AM
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15. cool work here by the Guv!! congrats!
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 07:22 PM
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19. My LTTE re: Zogby coverage
Dear Editor:

Thank you for publishing (8/23) the Voter Confidence Committee (VCC) press release regarding Zogby's survey on election conditions. The study found 92% of Americans believe the public has a right to know and view how votes are counted in our elections. This super-majority exceeds approval ratings for any Senator, Governor or President since WWII; it is higher than the 87% who think oil companies are gouging consumers; and it makes transparency in elections even more popular than Mr. Bush following 9/11. No issue is more politically safe for our County Supervisors to address. Let's publicly hand count the paper ballots and get rid of Diebold's secret vote counting machines.

The community should also know something about how the survey results became public. The VCC press release was sent Monday as a tip about Zogby’s expected announcement on Tuesday. But Zogby delayed until Wednesday, the same day you ran the story. Your story erroneously said the results had already been released on Tuesday. Had the Times-Standard verified our press release, either by requesting the survey data from us or by visiting the Zogby website, likely you would have delayed the story another day and avoided publishing the mistake. This reflects on your credibility. The Times-Standard took our word about an upcoming multi-national corporate announcement. You also print unverified election results provided by the very government whose control of power hinges on these results. The lesson is the same: don't report what you can't prove and haven't independently verified.

Dave Berman
Eureka, CA
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:53 PM
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9. Zogby has published results
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 06:08 PM
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10. Kick (eom)
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Blue Shark Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 09:00 PM
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11. Sure makes me wonder about...
...the brain-dead 8%.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 09:32 PM
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12. Fusion!
:toast:

k&r
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:41 PM
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13. K&R n/t
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:14 AM
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14. Additional "Talking Points"
(Since we're revisiting. And I needed something to kick the thread.)

For those "being the media," here are some themes/memes to use that have gotten through to even hard-core members of the "all is well" crowd.

They are intended to change people's thinking about elections in general. (Not least of which, the real target, our own thinking on the left.)

God bless us on the left, but try as we might (and we do), we cannot (and never have been able to) teach/inform our way to success with the general public. There are just too many of our fellow Americans who have been trained to NOT WANT any more information.

Furthermore, our penchant for getting bogged down in process-tinkering battles with the anti-democratic opponents has not served us well. In fact, their side has come to rely on it.

Using these themes will help you break down resistance and more quickly change minds. (We've seen it happen. You will too.)

1st - An election is a survey, not a contest.

Just like the census, an election tries to measure an objective reality: the will of the electorate. There's no real reason why we couldn't conduct them in the same way, with bonded agents going door-to-door collecting private ballots from voters.

The point(of view) being made(changed) is that an election is about the voters (not votes - ever). Candidates, campaigns, Parties, officials, equipment manufacturers, are all nearly-irrelevant. There is only one principle/interested-party/owner and that is the electorate as a whole.

2nd - It's the "ERRR," stupid!

Count every vote! -- ERRR!!! -- Count every vote! -- ERRR!!!

Forgive my stupid illustration, but see how easily we can be nudged away from our most powerful moral position and into their pre-gamed arena of discussing only vote-counts, ballots, chads, etc...

This is not simply a bolstering of the first meme (it may seem so, but only because your mind doesn't need much changing). We must always speak of voters, and never votes, because unless we do, such things as suppression become "separate issues." We can't allow this.

Victims of poll-tax-lines and "missing" registrations are voters. With the same right to be "surveyed" as everyone else.

3rd - Election manipulation is a capital crime.

(Ok, ok, stop screaming. The sentence can be commuted, all right?)

Yes, this seems extreme. Even a bit looney. But it gets your attention, right? That's the power. That and the fact that it's a simple, completely serious, moral proposal.

Election theft is far worse than cop-killing. Worse than 9/11 or any incident of terrorism. It is literally High Treason.

It undermines the only moral principle on which the nation was founded and continues (in theory) to rest -- that gov't power can only be derived from the consent of the governed.

So what's so extreme? The truth is that we've been extremely lax in defending our most important of values. We need to be "born again" as Fundamentalist Americans engaged in "refounding" the nation.

That's the way to curb this electoral Stalinism. ("Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." -- Josef Stalin)

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www.january6th.org
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:58 AM
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16. Thank you for pulling all the responsible media into a list for us.
Who understands why Zogby did not release the poll?
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 10:59 AM
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17. Zogby did release it, just a day later than expected
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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 11:08 AM
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18. kick!
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 08:24 PM
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20. A KICK from one of those in the 92%. n/t
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:21 PM
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21. k/r
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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 11:45 PM
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22. With good strategy, we can get transparent elections.
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 11:50 PM by OldSiouxWarrior
Many Democrats think the Republicans cheat by rigging the vote counting.
Many Republicans think the Democrats cheat by fraudulent voting.

So we can offer verified voting ID if they will accept a verifiable count. The exact details would need to be worked out, but we could get an honest election out of it. After all, "One Person, One Vote" is a progressive value.

Also, when discussing this issue, we need to focus on that issue only. Don't load it down with the rest of the wish list like:

"a) The lost presumption of innocence;
b) Spying on Americans and an overall loss of privacy;
c) Government lawlessness;
d) Destruction of our environment;
e) The promise of endless war;
f) Free speech zones;
g) Depleted Uranium (Mr. Bush's slow-motion holocaust);
h) Government run media;
i) Secret prisons, torture and war crimes"

That greatly dilutes the transparent election effort, and chases away those Republicans and Independents who would be with us on this issue, but aren't on the others. In other words, Stay Focused. Believe it or not, many Republicans really, really are afraid that Democrats are voting the graveyards. I am not saying that they are right, only that they do have that fear. So let's use their fear to get transparent elections.


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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 12:29 AM
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24. Welcome to DU, OldSiouxWarrior
:hi:

I find I am increasingly less concerned about addressing partisanship. For sure it is a huge problem contributing to the divide among We The People. But I feel like trying to combat partisanship by being a better partisan, or even appealing to people in a way meant to soothe partisan scrapes and burns, really only reinforces the artificial structure that causes the divide.

I take your point about focus. At the same time, it is important that we begin to raise awareness of all the many fronts on which we must directly resist. Sometimes I visualize each of the items in that list as a line in the sand. There is a huge number of us drawing each of these lines that form the outline of some enormous but oddly shaped perimeter. I don't see us as boxed in. I see a place where some of us already are, and which can hold an endless number of our fellow We The Peoples. And in this place we gather to make our stand, knowing what we stand for and what we simply will not stand for anymore.

Peaceful revolution is necessary, NOW!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 11:47 PM
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23. and the media cues the crickets....
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 11:49 PM by upi402
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neither do I, consent

I was thinking of that so hard today...
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 03:57 AM
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25. Coverage in the Eureka Reporter: Election transparency supported
http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=14275

Election transparency supported
by Rebecca S. Bender, 8/25/2006

A Zogby International poll released Wednesday found that, on average, 92 percent of Americans across demographic and political spectrums agree that U.S. citizens have the right to view information on elections officials’ procedures for counting votes.

The Voter Confidence Committee of Humboldt County was quick to endorse the conclusions of that poll — and to reiterate its call for local election reform.

“I think the main thing that we’re hoping will register with people is that this number — 92 percent — is extraordinary,” VCC co-founder Dave Berman said. “These numbers speak for themselves: There’s nothing else that has found that much support from citizens, in any poll.”

The poll, which surveyed 1,018 likely voters by telephone between Aug. 11 and 15, was sponsored by attorney Paul Lehto. Lehto specializes in election law and is currently serving as counsel in the 50th Congressional District recount effort in San Diego.

Referring to the 92 percent number revealed in the election poll, Lehto stated in a news release, “To put this figure in context, support for election transparency exceeds the support for tax cuts, exceeds the approval of President Bush immediately after 9/11, and virtually all other political values being measured.”

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 04:23 PM
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26. Kick.(nt)
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