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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 05:38 PM
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Clinton was offered bin laden on a silver platter-I Respond
I wish I could megaphone this to the entire backwards ass crater that the neo-cons live in.

I say:

Osama was never offered to us on a silver platter.

You are referring to the old neo-con argument that Sudan offered us bin Laden back in 1997.

First of all it was an American born businessman named Manssor Ijaz who had business ties to Sudan who allegedly made the offer to broker a deal for bin Laden's capture.

Now since you neo-cons follow American law so much being the patriots that you are you understand that U.S. policy dictates that it does not do business with private businessmen when it comes to international matters including terrorism.

I.E. NO GOVERNMENT OFFERED TO BROKER A DEAL WITH THE UNITED STATES CONCERNING BIN LADEN.


Secondly in 1997 what were bin Laden's crimes against America? even if Clinton had accepted his transfer he would've been being held illegally as at the time there was evidence of bin laden committing or plotting any crimes against America.

The embassy bombings took place in 1998 on African soil.

After this and other attacks such as the Cole the Clinton Admin did a damn sight more than the Republican Neo-Con driven agenda ever did to put a hault to terrorism from the creation of Network Centric Warfare to pressuring nations such as Pakistan (the country whom belongs the ISI who took funding from the US int he 80's during the Soviet-Afghan war) to start cooperating or start losing business interests with the U.S.

You stupid fucks need to stop living in and re-inventing the past. Quit the childish blame Clinton first bullshit because the facts do nothing to back you on these idiotic sentiments.

Although people like Reagan are not directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11 it sure as hell didn't help that his administration had no problem financing our would be enemies for the future problems they would come to create. (Iran-Contra)

It sure didn't help that the bush crime family was in league with the bin laden family namely Saleem bin Laden through the contacts of James A Baker.

It didn't help that the Neo-Con Republicans chose whom they considered the lesser of two evils when they bankrolled and sold weapons to Saddam in his war against Iran and then later sent 100,000 troops to protect (and piss off) Saudia Arabia which prompted bin laden to start a campaign of hate against the United States.

And it really doesn't help that assholes like you stand by complacent with a crooked government who ultimately harbors sympathetic feelings towards governments that harbor terrorists and have theocratic structures in place. At the same time they sucker cowards like you to believe that without them you are not safe, while they turn a blind eye and profit to their oil buddies like Marty Miller the CEO of Unical who had the fuckin taliban ministry to his place for Christmas dinner


I always found it humorous how one of the taliban spokesman chided Marty for putting a tree up for Christmas as it "insults Jesus Christ"






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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 05:46 PM
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1. By the way, if that were really true....
doesn't the GOP look like a bunch of imbeciles for not even mentioning it when they were trying to impeach Bill?

Imagine, a serious "crime" like that and the GOP focused on a blow job instead. (snicker)
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 06:59 PM
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9. Yep! But....
looking like imbeciles doesn't seem to bother them much. :)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 09:35 AM
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27. LOL! So true!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:58 PM
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18. That's another good point
If it was true we all know damn well they would've included it in their little process. But they were silent on it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 09:34 AM
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26. Exactly so....
If Clinton was giving a free pass to Bin Laden and the Republicans kept silent, they're as "guilty" as he is...(snicker)

Of course, since the things the GOP actually did accuse him of turned out to be such a tissue of lies, imagine how false this claim is.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 09:39 AM
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28. They would have said "Wag the Dog!"
Remember that one? :eyes:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 09:46 AM
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29. In fact, they did say that when Big Bill went after Osama
and they did all they could to block him....

And those that didn't claimed that Clinton should resign because he was "too distracted" by their phony cooked up scandal and their lies....
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 09:48 AM
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30. Exactly!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 10:03 AM
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31. And let's not forget some highlights....
illegal phone intercepts by Linda Tripp...

Susan MacDougal chained like Hannibal Lecter for refusing to commit perjury...

The "tampered with a witness" indictment that fell apart when it turned out the person Bill spoke to had never been on anybody's witness list....

The enormous fuss over Hillary Clinton's copies of the Rose law firm's records....which turned out to be identical to the other sets of Rose Law Firm records that had been subpoenaed and examined.

Dan Burton shooting holes in melons in public while "investigating" Vince Foster's suicide....
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 05:48 PM
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2. And every time Clinton made any move against OBL
or Iraq or any terrorists, the fucking republicans couldn't get to the microphone fast enough to shout wagging the dog, wagging the dog.....

And the press loved it... They absolutely ate it up......
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 05:50 PM
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4. yup that too and THAT friend is the primary reason I explode
everytime one of these sons a bitches tries to pin 9/11 on Clinton.


All these dizzy assholes remember is the blowjob that's it nothing else.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:00 PM
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10. You and me both. I'm going to end up with an aneurysm.
The GOP cut in anti-terrorism funding during the Clinton administration is oh so conveniently ignored.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 05:50 PM
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3. Ronald Regan created Osama bin Laden.
And W was in business with him.
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 05:54 PM
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5. Wonderful. Thanks, I needed that. I couldn't agree more! n/t
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 06:01 PM
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6. According to Richard Clarke's book
The offer was a ruse to get sanctions lifted from Sudan. Bin Laden had already left the country for Afghanistan at the time.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 06:07 PM
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7. Let's not forget that the CIA had him cornered in Tora Bora
and were CALLED OFF...this AFTER he attacked the USA...fock the foockers. THIS by a CIA operative who was THERE and not some RUMOR...Link to MSNBC story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853000/site/newsweek/

Oh, yeah, and Randi reminds us almost daily that bush* not longer even thinks about Osama!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 06:43 PM
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8. Good post
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:09 PM
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11. Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over (Oct 14, 2001)

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

Staff and agencies
Sunday October 14, 2001

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.

Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban "turn over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over." He added, "There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty".In Jalalabad, deputy prime minister Haji Abdul Kabir - the third most powerful figure in the ruling Taliban regime - told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but added: "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country".

<snip>

Afghanistan's deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul Kabir, told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US.

"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.

<snip>

link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,573975,00.html
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:13 PM
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12. Is this an error, or did I miss something? ....
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 07:14 PM by Dr_eldritch
"even if Clinton had accepted his transfer he would've been being held illegally as at the time there was evidence of bin laden committing or plotting any crimes against America."
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 09:49 PM
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19. As of 1997 bin Laden had not committed any crimes against the USA
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 09:52 PM by noahmijo
*Update* Yea I forgot to type "No evidence" sorry...*

the bombing which put his name in the radar of the USA in Africa occurred in 1998.

Hence in 1997 what could the USA hold bin Laden for in terms of crimes committed against America?


You might accidently be putting what I said in terms of 2001...
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:20 PM
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13. Great post I enjoy hearing the truth!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:43 PM
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14. SNOPES. Gawd I hate stupid ignorant MFing rightwingnuts
Stupid fuckers just chew and spit the same bullshit over & over & over & over & over.

It's BULLSHIT ya stupid MFers. GET OVER IT.

The bipartisan 9-11 Commission found "no reliable evidence to support" the claim that Sudan offered bin Laden to the United States...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408120011

Gotta be tough to be as stupid as a rightwingnut.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:51 PM
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15. REPEAT; There was NEVER ANY OFFER made.
WHY do rightwingnuts LIKE being lied to and repeating those lies???

WHY do rightwingnuts LIKE being made fools of???

WHY do rightwingnuts LIKE looking like the stupidest MFers on the planet???

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_5.pdf

Who started the bullshit that Clinton was "offered OBL on a platter"? NEWSMARX.

Gee, there's "reliable". :rofl:

You REALLY gotta hate yourself to be a rightwingnut.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 09:51 PM
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20. Heyyy I didn't even know about that
THANKS! :toast:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:56 PM
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16. I find it funny how they always use the EXACT same wording.
"Silver platter." Never even, "Bin Laden was available for capture" or something, never "Clinton refused an offer to arrest Bin Laden" -- still false statements, but they ALWAYS use the phrase "silver platter." Brawwwwkk!!

Another example: "The Clintons loathe the military." Never "hate, despise, can't stand" or anything else -- the word loathe is ALWAYS used to describe how the Clintons supposedly feel about the military. Brawwwwwkk!!

They are PARROTS.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 07:58 PM
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17. Brilliant post!
Love it! I'll have to remember some of that when one comes across me with that crap. Good job!
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 09:52 PM
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21. Bush had OBL and let him get away.
My god Kerry said this in the campagin, it was blown off. He was later found out to be right.
How stupid are the right wingers?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 10:45 PM
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22. Oh, sorry to be a pain in the ass.... but this might bite you-

"The embassy bombings took place in 1998 on African soil."

You might find if you use this in an argument, someone might point out that an embassy represents the 'soil' of it's nation no matter what country it's in. For all intents and purposes an embassy is on it's home nation's 'soil'.

Sorry to nitpick, but unless I'm mistaken someone might catch you on that.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:02 AM
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23. yea I worded it like that for some reason I dunno...q
but you're right technically the property of the embassy represents whatever soil the embassy represents.


When I use this argument I just call it the American embassy bombing in Africa.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:21 AM
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24. Lol... well, perhaps I give your audience too much credit. n/t
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:25 AM
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25. well usually my neo-con audience just responds with "is it true there's
lots of black people in Africa?"

:)
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