Zogby Poll Released (Links) - 92% Demand to View Vote Count

[autorank]

ZOGBY POLL RELEASED: Americans Concerned About
Election Transparency and Security

New poll shows more than 92% demand right to
view vote count, make inquiries of election officials

See: www.electionfraudnews.com

One of highest poll results on political issue EVER

"The 92% support for the public’s right to view vote counting and obtain information about it is a very strong political value of transparency and against secret vote counting outside the observation of the public,” said Paul Lehto, a lawyer and sponsor of the survey. “To put this figure in context, support for election transparency exceeds the support for tax cuts, exceeds the approval of Pres. Bush immediately after 9-11, and virtually all other political values being measured.” Mr. Lehto is counsel in the 50th Congressional District election contest in California. “

Links:

www.electionfraudnews.com
"Americans Concerned AboutElection Transparency and Security"

& article in "Scoop" linked there as well
"Attitudes. Voters Insist On Right To Observe Vote Counting"

The Zogby Poll was sponsored by Paul Lehto with support from Michael Collins, www.electionfraudnews.com and Democracy for New Hampshire

[yurbud]

1. vote this one up--it's crucial

[autorank]

12. Agreed!! n/t

[EFerrari]

2. Awesome. Just awesome.

:toast:

K&R

[autorank]

3. How about that - we ARE "mainstream" --- :)

:hi:

[EFerrari]

5. Shoot! So, do I have to retire my

:tinfoilhat:


Thanks for you ceaseless efforts, autorank. You're an inspiration.

[Land Shark]

7. It is because you are so mainstream, that you're made to feel alone

It is one thing, as I think Sun Tzu first wrote, to defeat one's enemy. But real power is to convince the enemy to give up before the fight even starts.

If you're thinking that election transparency is "tinfoil hat" or anything other than one of the most popular political values ever measured, I'd say the enemy has to some extent defeated you. Not any more!

[EFerrari]

13. No, not any more. I only started thinking and working on this

since I watched our 2004 effort magically disappear before our eyes. And, haven't stopped since.

I've placed materials with nearly my whole County Board of Supervisors and have been pleasantly surprised at how receptive everyone has been.

Election transparency is an idea everyone can get behind -- unless, that is, someone has something to hide. :)


/typo

[FogerRox]

34. I own a copy of the "ART OF WAR". right on, brother shark

[AndyA]

4. Good news for certain - but will the 92% make their feelings known

to those who can actually do something about it?

[Land Shark]

10. They probably will if you tell them about it, and why it's important

why it's important, as well as a list of frequently asked questions are available at the links below.

Why Important and Frequently asked Questions:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446720>

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446684>

=======================================

IN CONTEXT. It's one of the highest political values ever measured. Pretty much the ONLY way we can come up with anything more popular is to go to something about which there is NO SUBSTANTIAL CONTROVERSY. But with the ability to view vote counting and obtain information on it, THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS RAPIDLY MOVING TO ELIMINATE THIS WIDELY HELD AND BELIEVED VALUE ABOUT THE FOUNDATIONS OF DEMOCRACY.

WHAT DOES 92% MEAN? IT MEANS WINNING IF YOU KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE PRIZE

It's way higher than people who wouldn't mind a free tax cut.

It's Higher than Bush's approval rating after 9-11. http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

It's higher than the approval ratings of any departing President. http://uspolitics.about.com/library/bl_historical_appro...

I'll bet it's higher than the approval ratings of Pres. Lincoln and Pres. Washington TODAY, if they exist. Though i'm willing to be proven wrong on that. Anyone?

It's higher than the approval rating of any senator, governor or President since WWII, at any time. See, e.g., <http://www.surveyusa.com/50governorsrated051005.htm> others at main link.

It's higher than the 87% thinking oil companies are gouging consumers these days. <http://alternet.org/wiretap/29788>

And, it's also higher than the percentage of people who can get a basic math long division problem right.

And so, if you can find it in your courage quotient to mention the high price of gas benefiting the oil companies, notch that up at least another 5% to get at how much easier it is to comment against secret vote counting and in favor of public involvement and rights to get information about vote counting...

[StClone]

6. Do the 92% know

That people voting twice, forging I.D.s and the like are universally nonexistent? Voting irregularities are far removed from those simple methods and involve sophisticated suppression, harassment and vote disposal schemes.

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. Do those 92% know that the computer tabulating systems

were designed specifically to prevent recounts? A reprint is not a recount.

[autorank]

38. You know your stuff..."voter fraud" is chump change now...

It's the disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of voters.

Here are the numbers for black men in Virginia and Florida disenfranchised because they
have a felony conviction (any felony, and they're out of jail, "paid their debt")

Virginia 300,000
Florida 600,000 (or more)

Where did these laws come from.

Well, 1876, blacks in the South were voting at rates that were as high or higher than now BUT
Tilde, the Democrat, won the popular vote and Republican Hayes challenged. After an extended
contest, a deal was worked out.

THE DEMOCRATS WOULD GIVE UP THE CLAIM ON THE ELECTORAL VOTES NECESSARY TO TAKE THE VICTORY *AND* THE REPUBLICAN, HAYES, WOULD PULL FEDERAL TROOPS OUT OF THE CONFEDERATE STATES.

Such a deal! That meant that the KKK and all the other racist groups were able to intimidate and
take over power. And the various laws came forward to "disenfranchise" blacks -- poll tax, voter ID,
literacy test, no voting for felons, etc. etc.

I want the governors and courts and legislatures of all states with no voting laws for felons to stand up and say that they're proud to have a law on the books which came from admitted racists, the post reconstruction whites who took power back bragged about this.

Stand up, admit this is why it's on the books...and admit that it stays on the books so as not to offend racists who would just be so upset. They'd call it a law and order issue and so forth but we all know the code, don't need no "da Vinci" to untangle that one. RACISM!!! Pure and simple.

Modern election fraud started right then, it has been and is PRIMARILY A RACE CRIME.

Ballot Manipulation and the "Menace of Negro Domination”: Racial Threat & Felon Disenfranchisement in the USA, 1850-2002

(StClone, I strongly suspect you know this as well or
better than I. I just used your msg as a ranting off point;)

[WhiteTara]

8. oh that fringe 92% of Americans

when are we going to get it that he doesn't care what we think.:sarcasm: :grr:

[Melissa G]

9. K&R!

[ComerPerro]

11. Just the vote count is irrelevant

I could program a computer to take in the number of results, and then at any given time give a vote count with the correct total showing anywhere between 55% and 65% for one candidate and the remainder for others.

So the count at the end is meaningless

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. so right.

Hand counted paper ballots. It's the only way to be even close to sure.

[autorank]

39. Not really...

You make a good point on programming these machines at the front end. Touch Kerry, even get a receipt for Kerry and the machine records *. Amazing how people try to avoid that simple fact. You can match voter totals with ballot books all day long and still have huge fraud in the booth.

You can have a crooked front end and back room...or one of each. You're right if the front end is rotten but that isn't always the case. There is another question in the poll directed at the touch screens,etc. Actually, they're two questions --

The first indicates a high degree of awareness that e-fraud is possible with "voting machines" (front end)and the second indicates a strong, very strong, aversion to secrecy and proprietary software (back room). I'm a bit biased when I say this but I believe that this article is an crucial to understand what's what with our state of affairs.

New Zogby Poll On Electronic Voting Attitudes
Monday, 21 August 2006, 11:00 pm - Article: Michael Collins>

Voters Aware of Risks of Electronic Voting – Changing an Entire Election

How aware are you that there have been reports of flaws in electronic voting or computerized voting machines that make it possible to tamper with one machine in such a way as to change the results of an entire election?

Very aware 28.5%
Somewhat aware 31.8 Aware 60.3%
Somewhat unaware 14.9
Very unaware 22.8 Unaware 37.7
Not sure 1.9

Snip

Voters Opposed to Secret Software to Count Votes

With computerized electronic voting machines, votes are counted using proprietary or confidential software from corporate vendors that is not disclosed to citizens. Do you agree or disagree that it is acceptable for votes to be counted in secret without any outside observers from the public?

Agree 13.7%
Disagree 79.8
Not sure 6.5

Snip

There has been a virtual media blackout on in depth coverage of these issues by the national corporate media. The work of Lou Dobbs and Catherine Crier are notable and powerful exceptions. Lou Dobbs’ coverage includes online polls that consistently show 80% and greater preference for a complete dismissal of voting machines and a return to paper ballots.

The public has the right to observe the entire election process. It’s called transparency. The public has a right to get information on how that process works in order to satisfy the requirement for free and fair elections. These rights are unavailable and the public does not even know it. If and when these issues are covered by the broader media with insight and attention, there may very well be the type of outrage at the loss of our liberties that we have seen from Lou Dobbs and Catherine Crier. That would be a most unpleasant event for those who have bargained away voting rights for the sake of a free Federal grant to buy voting machines people inherently distrust.

[peacetalksforall]

16. I hope some day some of us will call it what it is - privatized, partisan

takeover and ownership of our vote.

It's a Republican package offered through
several companies to make it look competitive:

. Repub hardware
. Repub software
. Repub tally
. Repub data transfer
. Repub technicians and fixers
. Repub election officials
. Repub supporting police and monitors
. Repub hiding places
. Repub distriction of hardware
. Repub blockades
. Repub corporate 'news' networks buying polling data making them data owners which allows them to call the vote any which way they want or are directed.
. Repub etc.

It's been a total war on citizens and a crime of theft and deception.

People are being too, too generous, to uninformed. Our number one right was pirated, but we seem to love and trust pirates.

[kpete]

17. Can they hear us now?

[autorank]

40. Nice puppy...sure the neighbors love you;)

They had better listen. 2006 will probably be a cluster you-know-what and all Hell will break loose.

Just haul out this article and all the other warning on DU and say, "Uh, I TOLD YOU SO, YOU...#@$@!"
or be more gracious and just laugh. It's all so unnecessary. It's a simple solution. Paper ballots, observed counting...fair registration, open, transparent, free...too easy really.

[loudsue]

18. Woo-Hoo!!! Way to go Land Shark (Paul Lehto)!!!!!!

:bounce: It's about time this gets some REAL blog time! :applause:

Send this to Kos, send it to Huffingpost, send to ALL MAJOR BLOGS, and jump on the bandwagon!

:woohoo: As we make sure more people hear about this, we will see more of a backlash against the upcoming theft of the 2006 elections (and they WILL be stolen, mark my words. There are still too many republican operatives in control of the now-entrenched Diebold and ES&S machines). People will start to see for themselves that our elections just aren't making sense, based on what we all can see.

Maybe people will start to wake up before the 2008 elections. O8) Let us pray. O8)

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[marions ghost]

19. NGU

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:toast:

[Uncle Joe]

20. Sure makes you wonder about the 8% that believe otherwise.

At least, I guess that puts them on the fringe. Thanks for posting autorank.

K & R


:kick:

[Jed Dilligan]

21. They are all election manipulation professionals! nt

[Land Shark]

23. there is no 8% "on the other side" 2.3% were undecided, and ....

about two and a half percent were undecided or unsure, for starters....

but why focus on the negative at all if you've got such a strong political value GOING FOR you?

[Me.]

22. K & R

*shadow government*

[DemonFighterLives]

24. I'm in with this!

:dem: and :rec:

[bleever]

25. 9.2 out of every ten people! That's astounding!

Seems like it might be important for elections, the foundation of our democracy, to conform with the expectations of those 92% of people.

:kick:

Any chance of getting on Ed Schultz again about this, Land Shark? And Randi Rhodes is definitely receptive to this story. Thom Hartmann, too.

[Land Shark]

30. hey, anybody here can be my informal agent and call my

phone number is on the upper left hand corner of the press release! There are some calls coming in, you like foxnews I talked to today, but not AAR people, at least not yet.

[kster]

26. I am Kster and I approve of this message and

I demand to see the votes--BEING--counted.

Kick-n-Recommended!!! Go Autorank! Go Land shark! :thumbsup:

[FogerRox]

35. I am Roger Fox, and I approve of this thread........ . . . . LOL

[Kurovski]

27. K&R.

Now this, I like.

Brilliant idea to create a poll on this topic. Thank you dear autorank & Paul.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Not after Diebold gets a hold of those numbers, I bet. nt

[Land Shark]

31. They can change the calculations of the #'s, but not the reality! nt

[texpatriot2004]

29. No Transparency = No Democracy

Damn Straight!

[NVMojo]

32. Paul Lehto is my hero!!!! K & R!!!

keep this out in the front!!!

[Land Shark]

33. Thanks NVMojo, may you never learn of my peccadilloes! : )

[autorank]

41. Not to worry...

I hear the tapes were "accidentally" erased;)

[katinmn]

36. This is heartening since we may have to follow the path of our

neighbors to the south come November. We need that awareness.

:)

Thanks, guys!

[aquart]

37. Kicking like a rockette.

[EFerrari]

42. Kicking like a June Taylor dancer.

[Land Shark]

43. Kicking the bucket (I'm pretending I'm Diebold here) nt

[malrish5]

44. 92% Support transparency

Can 92% of the country spell transparency?

[Land Shark]

48. Well, think this way

Twenty percent can not read above the fifth grade level according to an illiteracy site, so perhaps not. The dyslexic may not be able to spell it. But the smarts to support it exist, regardless. ANd the right to transparency exists completely independently of spelling skills, intelligence tests, poll tests, poll taxes, etc.

[livvy]

45. kick n/t

[freedomfries]

46. K & R

[Joe Chi Minh]

47. Done, Auto.

[Imagevision]

49. Nov. elections will be interesting with NO paper trail possibilities

In spite of Kenneth Blackwells current trailing numbers he will somehow get the nod from Diebold machines. -- Can't believe no-one could get these machines pulled a long time ago. -- Americans want an honest election and there's no-way to gurantee it!!!

[Burried News]

50. End the CONfusion ... count the vote.

Several concurrent ways if necessary.
Nothing is more important to democracy and people's willingness to trust government.