Osama is dead. He died in the earthquake in Pakistan in 2005.

[Marnieworld]

I don't have any proof mind you. It's just that the earthquake took place in roughly the area where he was believed to be located. It wasn't an easy place to live on a good day for a healthy person let alone a diabetic who needs dialysis. It was estimated that over 100,00 people died that day and many more afterwards did due to the lack of ability for rescue or aid to be administered to survivors because of the quake's damage. Then once winter hit it has become uninhabitable. He is/was just a man, just a mortal flesh and blood human after all. There hasn't been a video of him in a long time and definitely not since the quake. It just seems likely to me that an earthquake killed him and not any US military or justice system. I have not heard the tape or even read a transcript because this is what I believe in my bones. Until I see video of him with some sort of evidence of the date (but I guess that could be faked too)I will never believe he's alive.

If he is alive then why isn't Bush concerned about him? Why did we go into Iraq if not to prevent Al Queda from getting Saddam's weapons? No weapons there so he isn't a threat anymore? Then who are we allegedly fighting in Iraq? I can't even follow the storyline in their lies anymore. :crazy:

[HockeyMom]

1. Wolf, Wolf, Wolf

I just don't believe it anymore, if I ever really did. Every time Bush is sinking in the polls, wants to keep the sheep as frightened as possible, or in this case, wants to advance his push for more preemptive war (IRAN), one of these BinLaden tape comes out.

[rodeodance]

2. Michael Ledeen says he is in a grave in Iran

http://www.nationalreview.com/lopez/ledeen200601090808.asp

January 09, 2006, 8:08 a.m.
One Moment in Time
Our age of revolution.

There's an old Chinese theory according to which the best way to understand historical events is not to reconstruct the sequence of "causes" by which the events were "produced," but rather to look at the unique characteristics of the moment in which the events occurred. I know there's an old Chinese theory for most anything, but this one has stayed with me ever since I first read about it in an essay by Carl Gustav Jung, and back in the Eighties it occurred to me that Pope John Paul II had understood its wisdom. The pope once remarked that there were times when dramatic change was impossible, and at such moments anyone who tried to achieve it was like the fool beating his head against a stone wall. But there were other times when the acts of a single individual could change the world. He knew he was living at such a time, and he saw his mission as inspiring individuals to take those actions, and change the world for the better. That was one reason why his famous call, "be not afraid," was so right for those times, and why a handful of brave individuals famously changed the world.

This historical moment is not easy to understand, since we are in transition from a relatively stable world, dominated by a handful of major powers, to something we cannot yet define, since it is up to us to shape it. It seems clear, however, that there is a greater rapidity of change, accompanied — inevitably — by the passing of the leaders of the old order. This is particularly clear in the Middle East, where seven key figures have been struck down in the past six years: King Hussein of Jordan in February, 1999. King Hassan of Morocco in July of the same year. Syrian dictator Hafez al Assad in June of 2000. Yasser Arafat of the PLO in April, 2004. King Fahd of Saudi Arabia in May of last year. Ariel Sharon of Israel was incapacitated by a stroke in early January. And, according to Iranians I trust, Osama bin Laden finally departed this world in mid-December. The al Qaeda leader died of kidney failure and was buried in Iran, where he had spent most of his time since the destruction of al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The Iranians who reported this note that this year's message in conjunction with the Muslim Haj came from his number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, for the first time.

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— Michael Ledeen, an NRO contributing editor, is most recently the author of The War Against the Terror Masters. He is resident scholar in the Freedom Chair at the American Enterprise Institute

[rodeodance]

3. "according to Iranians I trust"--prob. those in US?

[Dancing_Dave]

4. We just don't know.

I certainly do NOT believe the official propaganda, I'm not that stupid! I also know how forge audio and vidio quite a bit better than has been done in "Osama" productions. It's certainly a hopeful sign that Bush does NOT have best special effects talent on his side!

We really don't have enough clear evidence to know when, or even if, Bin Ladin died. If I was a bookie I'd put the chance that Osama is already dead at around 90%. And no number of these crude forgeries will ever convince me he's alive. Are we all REALLY expected to be THAT STUPID???