Karl Rove: Warrantless surveillance might have prevented 9/11.

[Eugene]

Rove Defends Warrantless Surveillance

The Associated Press
Wednesday, August 23, 2006; 10:07 PM

TOLEDO, Ohio -- Presidential adviser Karl Rove criticized a federal judge's order
for an immediate end to the government's warrantless surveillance program, saying
Wednesday such a program might have prevented the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Rove said the government should be free to listen if al-Qaida is calling someone
within the U.S.

"Imagine if we could have done that before 9/11. It might have been a different
outcome," he said.

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Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/23/AR2006082301932.html

Looks like the Bushies are pulling out all the stops now.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

1. So might have ACTUALLY READING THE PDB ON AUGUST 6!

You bloated sack of maggot-infested lard!

I can't say what I really want to say about Rove here. I just can't.

[ComerPerro]

4. No kidding. At best, Bush's incompetence led to 9/11

[liberaldemocrat7]

21. No, Bush not forcing the Taliban to do pipeline deals under threat of ...

invasion would have prevented the 9-11 attacks.

[ComerPerro]

22. that's why I said "at best"

[babylonsister]

2. Just imagine if they'd read and taken seriously the daily briefings?

:grr: :grr:

[eleny]

8. And what about that agent who went to Crawford?

I read some accounts here about how he went to Texas, met with W to explain how serious things were getting. And W told him "Okay, you covered your ass." And then the agent was dismissed.

[babylonsister]

15. I've read that but

I thought it was in relation to Katrina.

[eleny]

26. Thanks! I thought it was pre-9/11

[Malikshah]

3. Me to Rove: Legal abortions might have prevented you being born.

Suck it turdblossom.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. That son of a bitch. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS LISTEN TO THE

EXISTING CHATTER!! We can slam dunk this baby home by getting the truth out of that 9/11 commission. What did they know and when did they know it? Had they done their job competently, they already had all the information they needed to stop 9/11.

Damn. If Gore had been president, there wouldn't have been a 9/11. We wouldn't have had to compromise any of our constitutional rights the way Karl is suggesting.

[msongs]

6. surveillance WITHOUT WARRANTS is the issue and Dems ought to

be making that plain to everyone! repeat every time the subject comes up, its surveillance WITH warrants!!!

bushco could also have paid attention to data given them about using planes to crash in to buildings.

might also have prevented dandruff

Msongs
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[azurnoir]

7. Didn't they start the NSA program

prior to 9/11?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=62515

[U4ikLefty]

16. DING DING DING!!!

That is what I was thinking.

[Arazi]

18. I've heard this too. Anyone have a link?

I can't remember where I read it but it's out there....

[azurnoir]

20. Just added it.

[EFerrari]

31. Yes! The program pre-dates 9/11

Thanks for the link.

What a POS this criminal is.

[iamjoy]

9. Warentless Spying

you mean they wouldn't have been able to get a warrent?

You know didn't Geroge Bush say something like things would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship? Just think of how free our government could keep us if they were willing to scrap the Constitution. Damn laws against self-incrimination and cruel and unusual punishment only get in the way of the war on terror.

Yeah, let's just scrap the constution and then we'll never have to worry about foreign terrorists again.

:eyes:

[Nikki Stone 1]

10. Warrantless surveillance of the Bush admininistration might have indeed

prevented 9/11, provided the American people got to listen.

[uppityperson]

11. Imagine if you'd listened to information you HAD!!

been yelling at radio last couple days at this crap. Imagine if you'd listened to/read the information that was given you about this. Imagine the American people might think about that.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

12. Doing their job would have too

but, hey.

[TheFarseer]

13. Sticking his thumb up the president's ass might have also

Who's to say???? Let's start a program like that and see if we don't get attacked.

[Richard Steele]

14. Well, since you were DOING IT before 9/11, why didn't it?

It's already been revealed that they started their
illegal spying before 9/11.
KKKarl needs to get called out on this one.

[rustydog]

17. THEY WERE DOING IT BEFORE 9-11!

Shortly after Bush took office the surveillance began. Shit, It probably began moments after he took the oath of office.

Hey Rove, You gutless TRAITOR, one doesn't need warrantless survellance of terrists when a Presidential Daily Briefing says: BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK THE UNITED STATES!!!!

Of course, these statements show just how scared these gutless fucks, who never bothered to volunteer for the military, really are over the upcoming mid-terms.

[Jacobin]

19. Not firing Richard Clark, head of terrorist task force might have

been a start.

Or listening to the FBI agents who were begging for the brass to investigate the flight school guys.

Or simply doing his fricking job instead of taking a month long vacation

Or READING the forking PDB

Karl Rove is slime...utter filth and slime.

BTW, the potential British plane bombers were caught using fucking warrants

[freethought]

23. Actually it would have been useless.

This administration wasn't paying attention to terrorist threats anyway! It was a "Clinton" thing.
Karl Rove is truly a vile and evil man.

[havocmom]

24. Middle managers in FBI not being dickheads may have helped too

Instead of jealously guarding their 'turf' and not sharing info with other people they could have put 2 + 2 together.

Instead of ignoring field agents who raised valid points about flight school students who didn't wanna learn to land, they could have put 2 + 2 together.

Destruction of Bill of Rights was not the cure. People doing their job and co-operating with others may have been a big help.

Rove can stuff it.

[Webster Green]

25. The Big Dawg warned 'em about OBL.....they ignored it.

They ignored the presidential daily briefing warning of an attack.

Rove was too busy making up stories about missing "W"s on White House computer keyboards.

[bananarepublican]

27. Giving Rove a frontal labotomy could well prevent another stupid...

... utterance such as this! Perhaps he's already had one!!! This would indeed explain a lot.

[Klimmer]

28. I have to strongly disagree.

Bin Laden and Al Queda had nothing to do with 9/11.

The Bush Crime Family, the Neo-Con Rethug Criminal Administration, and Al CIA-duh pulled off 9/11. 9/11 was an inside job all the way. Total and complete MIHOP.

The warrant-less searches, wire-taps, reading emails, etc. are used to intimidate and collect information on domestic enemies of this fraudulent administration. By the way, that would be you and me here at DU and all other real patriots that question this administration. Dissent is patriotic, but not in Bush's criminal world.

Bush-bots say: Love our country right or wrong.

Real Patriots say: Love our country right, and if it is wrong, make it right.

[Arazi]

32. Wow. I said MIHOP as I watched the Trade Towers fall.

Great post by the way.

[leftofthedial]

29. KKKarl,

your boss doing his fucking job and your neocon masters not wanting 9-11 to happen might have prevented 9-11.

[Sparkly]

30. As IF the Clinton admin wasn't spying on Al Qaeda

As IF Bush Co couldn't have continued that surveillance.

As IF they aren't now "free to listen if al-Qaida is calling someone within the U.S."

As IF anybody's talking about taking away their ability to do that.

JUST DO IT LEGALLY!!!! :mad:

[Garbo 2004]

33. Hmnn....as I recall wasn't that precisely what the NSA was doing before

Sept 11, 2001? That worked out well. :sarcasm:

[LostInAnomie]

34. Ooooo... a hypothetical "what if" game. Ok, I'll play.

What if * would have paid attention to the PDB?

What if instead of planning for the invasion of Iraq and having secret energy policy meetings with oils executives, the administration would have focused of OBL like Clinton told them too?

What if instead of going on a month long vacation * would have had the CIA and FBI share the information they had on visa-less suspected terrorists taking flying lessons without wanting to learn how to land?

What if instead of ignoring incoming information about suspected terrorists taking photographs of the WTC and wanting to use planes as missiles, Bush would have got off his lazy ass and did something?

What if Bush with all of the information he had would have sent out a warning to airport screeners to not allow anyone with a box cutter on an airplane?

[BreweryYardRat]

35. That FUCKING JACKASS!!!

Maybe if Spanky McChimp had actually listened to ALL THE FUCKING WARNINGS he got before 9/11, it never would have happened!

[LaPera]

36. It's going to get much worse as we get closer to the election.

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