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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:35 PM Original message |
Cuban doctors defect, speak out |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. there were cubans who did and said the same thing |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. Somehow their story doesn't sound totally true..... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. because they are part of the Castro/Chavez propaganda |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. It's the Miami Herald. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. It appears to be an oil for medical care deal |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. yes, that it the program |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. Translation |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I guess, if they completely lacked principles |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
8. "...scratching out a living doing odd jobs near this Caribbean city...." |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Cartagena is not rich, you've obviously never been there |
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The Deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
11. Hmmmm... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. yeah, no-one ever defects from Cuba |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Millions of Americans defect to other countries |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. no, because its not accurate, they choose to live elsewhere |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. The US is a rich country and its large rich population is very mobile |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. voluntary slaves huh? |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Poor people desperate for work |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I guess we can be grateful as US citizens then that we |
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The Deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
87. Well |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
70. Really? |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 02:34 AM Response to Reply #70 |
82. I don't know what definition of defect you are using |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Here ya go |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
71. "millions of Americans defect" - Sez you. Name one. |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. Lee Harvey Oswald |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 02:43 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. All defectors "choose to live somewhere else" |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 02:31 AM Response to Reply #71 |
81. What about the second definition in Merriam Webster's? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. This was a 2fer. They got to slam Castra AND Chavez. Efficient. |
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unhappycamper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
13. Bacchus39: |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. Didn't you get the memo? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. you mean I'm not invited to Raul's coronation?? |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Are these Cuban Doctors |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. they are living in Colombia, not the USA |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
19. As opposed to our doctors, who campaign for Merck and Pfizer... nt |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Bingo. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I wonder if they make more than $200 a month as in Ven or |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I edited my post. Don't miss the revised version. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Most US doctors I am sure can read and have good health care |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. ...and vote Republican for $$$ even if it means their patients |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. what if the doctors don't want to? they are doctors not parrots |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Does this story even allege what would happen if they didn't? |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
74. I guess not. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
66. Of course it's offensive. |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. If Doctors were caring for the poor ONLY because Bush made |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 06:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
72. I don't know why they bothered to leave Cuba |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
23. Honestly, I have never been able to figure out why anyone... |
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CollegeDUer (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Chavez wins democratic elections |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
62. So did Bush. |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. not by the margins Chavez wins by. |
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CollegeDUer (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #62 |
84. My point is he isn't a DICTATOR |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Cuba for sure, Chavez is another story |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Regarding Chavez |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. My daughter lived in Venezuela until recently and it was.... |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. They do have elections in Venezuela |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
49. Do you really think the playing field is level? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. I do not think that's a position that one can justify. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I haven't seen evidence of the widespread opposition you cite, |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
73. Honestly, I have never been able to figure out why anyone... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Well, this post should give you one reason. |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. Why are they more free to say this in Colombia than in Venezuela? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. yeah, as if those doctors have the freedom to express themselves |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. If they don't feel comfortable criticizing Chavez in Venezuela |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. so why have the "insult" laws then?? |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Have an example of those laws being used? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. why have them in the first place?? |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. because the legislature passed them |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. yeah, right |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. ...and nothing has changed |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. proceed at your own risk |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Lot of US State Dep't opinions in that article without a single |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. do some research then, Human Rights Watch |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Just asking for names and dates -- specific allegations of fact |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. It's a load. The MH publishes at least one of these stories |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. yeah, they publish stories on latin america all the time |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. More than that, they publich stories that tend to reflect BushCo's |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. don't know, most papers don't publish alot on latin america |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Have to disagree. They do them for BushCo. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. whatever |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Venezuela isn't Cuba. And you are seriously misrepresenting |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. how have I misrepresented Venezuela?? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. There are very important differences between the two counties. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. ridiculous post |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. And, I consider the source. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. and I consider your statement that Ven and Cuba |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. What do you think they have in common? Let's start there. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
63. Oh, so that's why Chavez is so popular in Venezuela |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. and that makes him infallible? |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 07:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. He's not infaillible. Nobody is. But if you're saying he has failed |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
86. Interesting argument here, between those who equate Venezuela and |
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