Taller people may be smarter

[nini]

but of course!! As a woman at 5'10" - I have to agree :D *insert :sarcasm: here since I forgot in the original post * Interesting though how image and self esteem play into this.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060825/ts_nm/economy_height_dc

NEW YORK (Reuters) - While researchers have long shown that tall people earn more than their shorter counterparts, it's not only social discrimination that accounts for this inequality -- tall people are just smarter than their height-challenged peers, a new study finds.
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"As early as age three -- before schooling has had a chance to play a role -- and throughout childhood, taller children perform significantly better on cognitive tests," wrote Anne Case and Christina Paxson of Princeton University in a paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

The findings were based primarily on two British studies that followed children born in 1958 and 1970, respectively, through adulthood and a U.S. study on height and occupational choice.

Other studies have pointed to low self-esteem, better health that accompanies greater height, and social discrimination as culprits for lower pay for shorter people.

[devilgrrl]

1. Oh bullshit!

How utterly pointless. :puke:

[mike_c]

5. you're probably just short....

Height envy rears its ugly head. :rofl:

[devilgrrl]

56. this would have been much more appropriate...

:silly: than this :rofl:

:shrug:

btw, I work for lunatics, which adds to my hypersensitivity. just so you know.

[nini]

9. Well, if it's a study - it must be true

:evilgrin:

[Name removed]

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[devilgrrl]

23. If the study is true, explain Alan Simpson.

6'5" - dumb as a bag of mice.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. You realize, of course...

I was being facetious?

:P

[devilgrrl]

51. you need those sarcasm tags or my old fave...

:silly::silly::silly::silly:
:silly::silly::silly::silly:
:silly::silly::silly::silly:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. Oh, it wasn't sarcasm...

I was just pulling your chain, shorty.

[devilgrrl]

57. yeah, whatever you tall drink of water. So, how is the weather up there?

:silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly:
:silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly:
:silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly:
:silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly:
:silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly:
:silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::silly:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. Bright and sunny. Mostly bright.

How's your mini-golf game coming along these days?

[devilgrrl]

59. Funny you should mention that, I'm on my way to the course now!

:rofl:

seriously! or should I say SERIESLY!

:-)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

61. ROFLMAO!

That's hugh!

[devilgrrl]

100. No, that's peteet!

:pals:

[Name removed]

33. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nini]

35. I wondered why that was removed too

I got the humor :shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. We've got very short moderators.

:hide:

[Nicole]

43. I bet you're right.

I was thinking the same thing. :rofl:

signed by shorty herself

[nini]

76. *snort*...

:rofl:



why are so many people taking all of this so personally? :shrug:

[Kahuna]

68. Just curious. How tall are you?

:eyes:

[devilgrrl]

102. 5'6"

[mike_c]

2. Randy Newman got it right!

Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
To live

They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

(snip)

--Randy Newman

BTW, I'm over 6 feet, just for the record.... :rofl:

[nini]

8. LOL

I forgot about that song.

[Mr_Spock]

15. Hmmmm

You seem to be acting very small, so I'm not sure I believe you. :P

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. I already knew this.

But then again, I'm tall.

:hide:

[dancingme]

4. No way

this is total crap.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. Well, I'm 5'6" And Can Run Circles (Intellectually Speaking) Around

everyone I know. So that study, in my perspective, appears to be a load of utter crap.

Course, I could always be the exception... :)

[omega minimo]

55. THAT explains A LOT

:hug: :hide:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. Thanks For The Agreement And Recognition Of My Genius Omega.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see you managed to say something kind. :spray:

[omega minimo]

67. Some Short People March Out Loud & Aggressive From The Get Go

Tall folks tend, by nature, to have a longer perspective on the situation :evilgrin:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. So Do Some Tall People, White People, Black People, Female People, Male

people, old people, young people, Hispanic people, European people, American people, Liberal people, conservative people, brown haired people, bald people, grey haired people, handicapped people, athletic people, thin people, fat people, fashionable people, naked people, sick people, healthy people, vegetarian people, meat eating people, gun carrying people, pacifist people, blue eyed people, hazel eyed people, pregnant people, sterile people, star trek loving people, those who beat up those who love star trek people, married people, single people, jewish people, christian people, atheist people, muslim people, cigarette smoking people, non smoking people, pro life people, pro choice people, environmental people, oil company people, poor people, rich people, not so poor but definitely not rich people, tan people, barefoot people, obnoxious people, shy people, employed people, unemployed people, homeless people, sober people and drunk people.

Your extreme narrow-mindedness of this issue is staggering.

[U4ikLefty]

83. What? I couldn't hear you from your SUV in the WalMart parking lot.

Maybe you should speak UP...LOL!!!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

89. Anything In Regards To Any Context You'd Like To Say Or Are The

grade school replies pretty much all I should expect? :shrug:

[omega minimo]

94. I Can't See You Through The Blacked Out Windows

[omega minimo]

91. That's a stupid personal attack but your bizarre performance

is worth retaining! :hi:


"Narrow mindedness"? :wtf: That doesn't even make SENSE

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

Ummmm, What On Earth Are You Talking About? Gracious As I Am, However,

I'll help you out with some understanding so that the concept will make sense to you in the future:

3 results for: narrow-mindedness
Dictionary.com
nar‧row-mind‧ed  /ˈnæroʊˈmaɪndɪd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. having or showing a prejudiced mind, as persons or opinions; biased.
2. not receptive to new ideas; having a closed mind.
3. extremely conservative and morally self-righteous.


—Related forms
nar‧row-mind‧ed‧ly, adverb
nar‧row-mind‧ed‧ness, noun

—Synonyms 1. bigoted, partial, intolerant, illiberal.
—Antonyms 1. tolerant.

On Edit: As a second reminder, if you are going to put something in quotes, please try and be accurate when doing so. Narrow-mindedness contains a hyphen, as did my use of it.

[sweetheart]

105. lower center of gravity helps with cornering

I'm sure your circles are much tighter.

[ThomWV]

7. Maybe, But My 5-Foot 6-Inch Butt Doen't Think So nt

[Orangepeel]

16. You have a 5-foot 6-inch butt?

Wow, you must be REALLY tall!

[nini]

17. LOLOLOL

:rofl:

[nini]

22. Well, there are exceptions to every rule ya know

:-)


I don't put a whole lot into this study, actually I think it's kind of funny. The things people will spend time on trying to prove or disprove is amusing.

[IntravenousDemilo]

50. Is that cross-width?

}(

[alarimer]

10. I guess I am an exception

of course the part about earning less is no doubt true (at least in my case). 5'1" here. Top of my class (a whole lotta good that's done me LOL)

[JuniperLea]

11. Horrid childhood...

Tallest girl (and taller than the boys too) all the way until high school... then there were maybe half dozen or so boys taller than me... my nickname was Lurch... egads.

The pendulum of intelligence swings an equal distance in both directions.

[October]

12. Yeah, think of all those super brainy basketball stars...

:eyes:

Written by two tall researchers...what a stretch....

(Pun intended)

[daleo]

14. They appear to be a think-tank (maybe somewhat right wing?)

Downloading a copy of the paper costs $5.

"HISTORY OF THE NBER
Founded in 1920, the National Bureau of Economic Research is a private, nonprofit, nonpartisan research organization dedicated to promoting a greater understanding of how the economy works. The NBER is committed to undertaking and disseminating unbiased economic research among public policymakers, business professionals, and the academic community.

Over the years the Bureau's research agenda has encompassed a wide variety of issues that confront our society. The Bureau's early research focused on the aggregate economy, examining in detail the business cycle and long-term economic growth. Simon Kuznets' pioneering work on national income accounting, Wesley Mitchell's influential study of the business cycle, and Milton Friedman's research on the demand for money and the determinants of consumer spending were among the early studies done at the NBER."

[Reciprocity]

18. So that makes the Dutch

the smartest people in the world since they are the tallest. Thats just dumb.

[SmokingJacket]

107. I knew some Dutch people -- damn they were tall!!!

Even their babies were long and lanky.

No smarter than anyone else, though.

[HongKonger]

109. The Dutch are smart.

http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/picture/0,,282652,00.gif

Germans and Dutch apparently have the highest IQ's in Europe at 107 (the US is under 100 on average).

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2105519,00.html

So... Let's all sing together...

"Short people got no reason to live.... they got little..."

:evilgrin:

Sorry. But projecting height to intelligence is clearly idiotic.

[Dr.Phool]

19. Is Latrine Sprewell president of the NBA Mensa chapter.

Even Redd Foxx had it right, you big dummy!

[nini]

25. well, other factors do apply

I believe the study was of people from similar upbringings. They didn't put Sprewell up against someone tall who chose to get a PhD in physics.

But, I do know what you mean.

[silverweb]

20. What bullshit!

I've known plenty of very smart people who are average or below average in height.

[Tikki]

21. Albert Einstein's height was 5 ft 9 in (175 cm).....n/t

[nini]

27. off the subject.. but your avatar is so cute

:-)

[devilgrrl]

24. So Robert Reich and Madeline Albright are morons?

Okay....

[Robb]

26. We are also better looking

...and our poop don't stink. ;)

[nini]

28. Yes. that was my point all along

:evilgrin:

[Orangepeel]

29. Sure. Wasn't Einstein, like, 6' 4''?

:rofl:

There is going to be a correlation between intelligence and height because of nutrition. Stunted children are going to be stunted, in body, in mind, and in opportunity.

But, of course, not all -- or even most people -- who are short are stunted. Just enough to make the difference statistically significant (which does not mean substantial).

[unblock]

30. this fails to show causation

it's entirely possible that any "smarts" advantage taller people have is a result of height discrimination throughout their lives.

my own experience is that shorter people at least emphasize "smarts" to compensate, while taller people have an easier time at athletics and tend to focus less on studies.

[Kickoutthejams23]

31. First the planet pluto is called a Dwarf (and kicked of the team)

and now this....

Of course I did avery scientific study myself

Tom Cruise (short person)

Tim Robbins (Tall Person)


Hey they are right.


Next up tall chicks are hotter than short chicks.

[gully]

32. My 5'2" mother has a genius level IQ

guess no one told her?

[Zomby Woof]

34. PROOF that I am a genius!

6'3". :evilgrin:

[nini]

36. yes.. my Jeopardy Genius

*snort*



:hug:

[Zomby Woof]

47. I am done shelving!

I even gave a temporary home to our DVD's, lol. :hug:

"I'll take Alphabetical Compulsiveness for $500, Alex!"

[azurnoir]

37. Well heres a kink

I have 2 brothers one 6'2" the other 5'5" not a joke and yes same 2 parents-the 6+ footer owns a used car dealership the 55 guy has a PHD in physics and works for JPL go figure. What I have found kind of true short men become Mds or scientists

[stopbush]

38. Thanc Gawd someoney sed it! I'm 6feet 2 inchnes tahl an Im

more smarter then miny of the peeple I no.

Sew, I hope all u stoopid short peeple gotted the massage.

[Skittles]

40. they must have excluded fashion models from the study

for the most part I cringe when I hear those lanky folk speaking

[nini]

84. I believe having a brain is a requirement.... so they don't count

:hi:

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. Well at 4'11", I guess I'm screwed, but then I already knew that.

"Short people got no reason to live" :yoiks:

[Nicole]

44. Ann Coulter is tall isn't she?

:P

[Sapphocrat]

45. I'm glad to hear this.

It means I can stop pretending to be so damned smart all the time. It was really getting tiring, forming all those coherent thoughts and everything.

Sign me,

Five-Foot-Two / High IQ / To Case & Paxson / I Say F-You

P.S. Gee, too bad my 5'6" father -- the R&D guy who held a U.S. patent on a machining tool -- isn't alive to get a load of this load. I will, however, pass this story along to my 5'4" sister -- the one with the doctorate in genetics.

[depakid]

46. The findings were based primarily on two British studies

that followed children born in 1958 and 1970, respectively, through adulthood and a U.S. study on height and occupational choice.

I'm not paying $5 to read their paper (I wouldn't pay $5 for the recent one about left handers making more money, either- LOL)- but I know which two studies that they were drawing their data from.

What those studies showed is that economists are very fond of making spurious connections!

Seriously though.

In the British studies, height was associated with better nutrition- which in turn was affected by socio-eonomic status- and particularly the occupation of the father.

Given Britain's fairly rigid class and social structure- these effects (called the social gradient of health) end up showing lifelong differences in "intelligence" an educational attainment (among other things).

Height per se, has very little- if anything- to do with it.

Ah, but then again- to be 6 foot 6 AND left handed. :rofl:

[Nikia]

104. I thought that it probably had something to do with nutrition

Although most children are fed enough, that is not always true now and certainly wasn't true in the past. Children that do not get enough nourishment will be shorter than if they had sufficient nourishment and may not develop as much neurologically either as well as social poverty issues. Although many well nourished children will be shorter than many malnourished children, if a malnourished child is 2-5 inches shorter than their potential height, on average nourished children will be taller and smarter.

[depakid]

106. You are right- yet it's actually much more than just nutritition

it's an entire range of confounding factors involved with socio-economic status and a persons "station in life" or "placement" in society.

The 1958 British Birth cohort study found an entire chain of advantages vs. disadvantages that came into play- many of which were related to childhod growth rate and subsequent height- as well as "intelligence" and educational attainment.

These included things you might not think about- such as housing tenure, sleep disruprion, noise, lack of resourses or places to play creativey or study, social expectations, etc., etc.

This is why economists should stay out of the field of epidemiology.

It's beyond their competence and training.

LOL.

[porphyrian]

48. Yeah, but they have statistically more heart problems.

So there.

[ChaoticSilly]

49. The first rule of Short Club is you don't talk about Short Club

But, since the cat's out of the bag, we might as well come clean...

The study was actually made by us short people. We intentionally skewed the results to make you tall people THINK you were smarter. If it wasn't for those darned kids we would've gotten away with it.

:evilgrin:

PS - We'll sell the movie rights as long as all of the actors are under 6'.

[IntravenousDemilo]

52. So much for Of Mice and Men. n/m

[omega minimo]

53. Tall people don't suffer from "short man complex"

where tiny bullies overcompensate for their size by trying to dominate, intiimidate and humiliate others

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

62. A Bully Is A Bully Regardless Of Size. Characterizing Those Who Engage

in domination, intimidation and humiliation by something as unrelated as height shows a staggering lack of understanding of what makes one engage in such behavior.

[omega minimo]

65. Au Contraire Mon Cher It Is AKA "Napolean Complex"

Google It :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. First, It Is Napoleon, Not "Napolean". If You're Gonna Put It In Quotes,

at least do so accurately.

Furthermore, you are talking about a condition that is a relative rarity amongst the general population. That would seem to lend credence to my assertion that taking something found so rarely in society and making it the number one argument for proposing that height is the driver of those who intimidate, humiliate and dominate would be a completely ignorant proposal showing a complete lack of understanding of the concept itself. :hi:

[omega minimo]

70. It Would Not Be A Cliche If It Was A "Relative Rarity"

:eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. Yeah. Pots Call Kettles Black All The Time Too In Omega Land I Guess.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[nickinSTL]

63. what a load of bs

more crap masquerading as fact :puke:

Like short people don't have to put up with enough discrimination without $#!^ like this legitimating it. :mad:

[uppityperson]

64. Just think what we short people COULD've accomplished, had we been tall

[hyphenate]

69. For crying out loud

Just another "study" to divide people and to make one group feel "superior" and the other not so. What a bunch of crap.

Aren't we divided enough? Aren't we threatened on all sides by such division? How are we ever going to create a united front if we're all so scattered and so bitter that we can't compromise and work with others?

This is yet another shit device. And I guess I'm not smart enough, even with a high IQ, simply because I come in at 5'1".

[WinkyDink]

73. Sure, they are. And I have a bridge in Brooklyn.....

[bdamomma]

74. what are doing now

going to discriminate between short and tall people, what is going on??? classifying people who are muslims, latinos/hispanics, black children going to back of the bus, what is this???? are we reverting back to the dark ages, what BS.

[conflictgirl]

75. Since I'm 5'1" and already have a genius IQ (as do many others here)

I can only think that if I were taller, I might be smart enough to take over the world!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

90. Hear Hear Conflict Girl!

From one genius to another:

:toast:

[Cleita]

77. Remember the song "Short People"?

Well tall people are taller too.

So why are men so much dumber than women? Really, guys are much easier to befuddle than women and don't say it's because I'm a woman that they let me get away with it. Once I turned fifty and had no sexual attraction anymore I found I could still befuddle the boys and most of my lady friends agree with me.

[nini]

78. So, then.... tall women are superior to all others - right?

:D

[Cleita]

79. In height yes.

:-)

[nini]

82. hehe

thanks for getting my amusement with this...many do not it appears. :-(



:hi:

[Qanisqineq]

80. What a joke

I'll agree that low self-esteem and discrimination affect shorter people. However, the smartest people I know are short. I have a friend that is a brilliant and she is about 4'10. I know a guy that is a freaking genius and he is 5'7.

Whatever.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

81. It's true, you know.

I'm 6' 4" tall, and I can modestly tell you I am extremely intelligent.

You can trust me on this- I obviously have vast personal knowledge of this.

[nini]

85. My whole family is tall and our average IQ is 680

so, yes I have first hand knowledge too. :P


Well, we are pretty smart, but not quite that much. hehe

[PsN2Wind]

86. Well, how come, Bill Bradley

is the only NBA player I can think of that was a Rhodes scholar?

[gulfcoastliberal]

87. Yes, Bill O'Reilly proves that theory!

:sarcasm:

[redherring]

88. What a load of crock. Tell that to Einstein

[tblue37]

92. I am 5'3"--

and I am plenty smart.

It could just be that sometimes being tall means that the kid got better nutrition and overall had better health while in utero and during childhood.

[laundry_queen]

99. That's what I'm thinking the link MAY be.

If you're short, and your family is short and your mom was well nourished in pregnancy, there probably is no difference in scores.
BTW, I'm 5'3" and have a 'gifted' iq. 9 points shy of genius - if only my mother would have breastfed me. ;)

[PsN2Wind]

93. Now we can do away with those damn SATs

and pick our scholars by height.
Went back to college at age forty. President's list every term of the two years I was there. 3.84 GPA and coulda done better but I sat behind a basketball player for a time in a Trig class until the Prof moved him to "the F row". I'm a guy and am obviously much taller than the 5'5" shown on my drivers license.
Sure wish they had let my youngest boy skip his Junior year after that summer growth spurt, I could have saved a lot of money.

[Swamp Rat]

95. Wow! Look at these geniuses!:

Bushler = 6'

Brigitte Nielsen = 6' 1"

Ann Coulter = 6'

Shaquille O'Neal = 7' 1"

Sebastian Bach = 6' 5"

Steven Seagal = 6' 4.5"

David Hasselhoff = 6' 4"

Bill O'Reilly = 6' 4"

Snoop Dogg = 6' 3.5"

Dick Butkus = 6' 3"

Adam Carolla = 6' 3"

Fabio = 6' 3"

Toby Keith = 6' 3"

... So much for pseudoscience. :eyes:

[Swamp Rat]

96. Look at all the dumb short People!!!:

Mahatma Gandhi, Immanuel Kant, James Madison, Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, Jean-Paul Sartre, Quincy Jones, Norbert Wiener, Franz Schubert, Truman Capote, Melville Fuller, Henry Waxman, Henrik Ibsen, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Pablo Picasso, Alexander the Great, William Faulkner, Spike Lee, J. R. R. Tolkien...

Hooray for pseudoscience!!! :eyes:

[omega minimo]

97. Short Guy Complex ALL!!!!!!!!!!11

Yer Jist Gellous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce: :bounce:

[entanglement]

103. Men are taller than women on average, omega

Be careful with that reasoning ;)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

98. Very Well Put. And Glad To See You Included Mozart In There As Well.

:)

[katinmn]

112. Napoleon

[Marr]

115. Napoleon wasn't actually short, believe it or not. The belief is based on

a mistranslated measurement taken after his death. I believe the person doing the measuring used the French measurement in place of the English measurement or something to that effect, and the two areas didn't use the same "inch". Anyway- he got the reputation of being short, when he was actually about 5'6" (slightly taller than average for his time and place).

Weird, huh?

[readmoreoften]

101. The Aryan race is also smarter than those swarthy little people.

Not just pseudoscience, dangerous Nazi-esque pseudoscience. What will this lead to? Swedish men are smarter than Asian men?

[Clark2008]

108. That's crap. I'm a teeny, tiny woman and I'm no dummy.

I had to skip a grade in school (a trait that's being passed onto my son, who, btw, will be tall given his father's genes), always had a high IQ, was always in accelerated and AP classes and won several scholarships and national academic awards in both high school and college.

Maybe the low self-esteem issue bothers shorter men, but, as a female, I find that being little makes me look younger - people are always mistaking me for being years younger than I am and certainly younger than my husband, who, in actuality, is three years younger than me.

I don't think height has anything to do with ability, intelligence and aptitude. After all, Albert Einstein wasn't very tall and look how smart he was. :)

[EstimatedProphet]

110. What nonsense!

It can't be proved that taller people are smarter. That can't be a valid study. I should know - I'm a 6' tall scientist.

[otohara]

111. There Are Disadvantages

to being short. Not buying into the "smart" thing, because there are big nations out there filled with short people who have done amazing things.


As a short person aging gracefully, I no longer try to inject myself into situations where I'm with standing tall people. They talk over me and before I know it, I've just stepped outside the circle, because the tall people have taken a step forward to hear more clearly the tall person standing next to me. Someone wants to talk to me, they can sit next to me.

[kurth]

113. Yeah, nobody is taller than Einstein

What a bunch of crap.

[Marr]

114. Assuming their methodology is sound (which I doubt for some reason),

there are lots of indirect variables that could account for such a finding. Several are mentioned right there in the article, though they're blown off as 'old studies' for some reason.

A child who is short due to diet rather than genetics is obviously dealing with a different set of circumstances than a child with a healthy diet, for instance.

Anyway, I'd have to look at their methodology. I admit to harboring a bias here as a 5'6" man, but their findings seem unlikely to me.

[moondust]

116. Any samples from Japan?

Or only from consumer capitalist places where "bigger is better" has always been a cultural constant?

[Broken_Hero]

117. Locking

Thread has become inflammatory, and rhetoric on both sides have been exhausted. Thank you..:)

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