wtf ? seder just said that AAR is booting

[stellanoir]

two hours of Malloy henceforth after tonight???

It was confusing, he said first that it would only effect NY markets. Then indicated it was something more vast. Some power play by abc. Said Malloy was being gracious but Seder wasn't pleased. Anybody know any details on this ? I'm sort of sleep deprived and could use some clarification. Thanks in advance.

Will hear shortly from the "horse's mouth" though I'm sure.

[shireen]

1. Mike announced it last night

It's a revenue thing ... apparently AAR is still scrounging and ABC was paying big bucks for this new show (two boring sisters or something to that effect -- yes, the Satellite Sisters). You'd think by now they'd have enough advertisers and investors to keep it stable. But they are trying to syndicate Mike on an other station in NY.

[tularetom]

15. Have you heard the satellite sisters?

Our local "progressive " station runs them on Saturday mornings. They really aren't shitty but they aren't Mike Malloy either. I think there are four or five of them and they are scattered all over the world. They have mildly anti repuke tendencies but they seem too constrained by politeness upbringing or tradition to speak the truth. For Malloy fans it'll be a snooze.

[MamaBear]

22. One of them is a big corporatist

One of them worked in PR at Nike and talked once about how much she admired its President or CEO? she went on and on about what a great guy he is. The same guy that okayed so many well documented sweat shops all over the third world? another time she was raving about Coca-Cola.

I don't think they are very aware politically. Personally, I find them self-absorbed, shallow, and not particularly intelligent or entertaining. I was stuck with them for a long time on my local NPR station.

[nedbal]

37. Personally, I find them self-absorbed, shallow, and not particularly

intelligent or entertaining. I was stuck with them for a long time on my local NPR station.

100% agree . didn't SNL have a running skit on their mindless dull part

[RebelOne]

46. A local right-wing AM station here in the Atlanta area

has the Satellite Sisters on Saturdays. I sure would love to see Mike Malloy replace them.

[SnoopDog]

2. Ok here is the scoop...

Mike's show, only in NY markets, is being booted for another show. MIke is cool about this (to a point). Air America needs the revenue and this will make money for Air America.

Thats all I know

[foreverdem]

3. Mike is talking about it right now.

Tonight is his last show in NY.

[DemNoir]

4. WOW

Your network is in trouble when the freakin flagship station can't run their own shows?

[colorado thinker]

5. Once again

The new management there takes a successful format and cans it.

AAR is rapidly becoming unlistenable (is that a word?)and irrelevant.

[shireen]

8. awww c'mon

we have Hartmann and Malloy. Maddow and Seder. They are outstanding ... keep listening. :)

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Yes

I listen to them as well. Malloy and Seder. Only other talk show I listen to is Stephanie Miller. I wish she could get on AAR.

[undeterred]

31. Stephanie Miller is an embarrassment. You can have her.

[Eric J in MN]

33. How is she an embarassment? nt

nt

[nini]

35. I love her..

lauging at repubs is good for the soul.

[FredStembottom]

40. That's odd......

I see it as the first really professional Lib-talk show - and just hilarious to boot!
Very much what I was hoping would come along as Lib-talk got more practiced.

[Eric J in MN]

32. Stephanie Miller is broadcast on Air America Minnesota.

2 hours of her 3 hour show.

[efhmc]

9. I disagree. It is the only thing WORTH listening to.

[colorado thinker]

21. Don't get me wrong

I've been listening to AAR every day since the first day I could stream the programs. First I fell in love with Rachel and Lizz - poof! Gone, replaced by the unbearable Jerry Springer. Then, I discovered I could download and listen to Morning Sedition while Jerry was on. Thank the goddess for that.

Poof! Gone. Rachel by herself (with Kent) is still worth listening to, but Mark Riley doesn't carry the program by himself. Not the same without Maron.

Al without Katherine, not nearly as riveting (not the management's fault, I'll give them that).

If you want people to hear your liberal, progressive message, you have to make them WANT to listen. A diet of steady righteous indignation, even when justified, will not win over the fence-sitters. Remember, this is the land of "entertain me, 24/7".

Now, Malloy. Who's next, Randi? It just leaves me with a sense of loss, and I get enough of that from the Bushites.

Just sad, that's all.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

19. Heh, welcome to DU.

[colorado thinker]

23. Thanks!

I've been watching and reading for a long time, love this board.

[Cassandra]

6. Other than being nefarious...

why would ABC want to pay extra for losing listeners in that time slot?

[Cleita]

7. Isn't ABC totally neo-con controlled?

Yeah, :wtf:

[stellanoir]

11. Disney-esc

Don't even get me started about what they've done to women and unrealistic expectations and inevitable disappointments in terms of romantic love.

Employees of Disney often call it "Mouseshvitz" or so say some LA friends. So go figure.

[high density]

10. I think it's just WLIB...

Their flagship station has really been a thorn since the first day it seems.

[Rainscents]

12. AAR is working on finding another syndicate station for Mike.

[jimshoes]

13. Could it be that Mike is drawing too many

listeners away from some other show in that timeslot and ABC wants to dilute the competition? What kind of show is going on instead?

[stellanoir]

16. dunno as yet

but Seder was bothered so that bothers me.

[stellanoir]

14. Shoot

All day long they've been blowing off valuable time with this redundant guitar riff that runs for over 2 minutes. Then everyone's bumpers after that.

Yikes what's up with that?

Can you spell overproduction. . .?

I can't.

[FredStembottom]

39. Those riffs are placeholders. No show time lost.

When there is unsold commercial time - that is - no one pays to place ads in all of the allotted ad spots - either locally or nationally - then stations cover up the hole with Public Service Announcements. AAR still has lots of unsold ad space and that's why you hear "you put your keys between your knuckles, you have the numbers for help saved on speed-dial, you see someone approaching and cross to the other side of the street etc. etc. etc' so MANY times.

AAR is now experimenting with the guitar music in the empty ad spots instead. I, for one, like it at least a little better.:eyes:

[Maat]

18. I'm still going to get Mike for 3 hours on XM, am I not?

Uh-oh. What is the deal?

[bullimiami]

24. my thoughts are that aar just doesnt have enough clout yet to

dictate total programming to the network or conglomerate owned stations.

i know here in miami aar is on a clear channel station.
they fuck with the line up and the news. they run boring pasty ed shultz live which is randis time slot. randis show is delayed . they also run some weird crap on the weekends.
they have a really lousy abc (i think) radio newsfeed that sucks instead of the aar news.

[Eric J in MN]

34. In Minnesota, too, they play Ed Schultz and then Randi Rhodes

through the miracle of time-delay.

[FredStembottom]

41. And that's SUCH a diappointment for me........

My main listening time is in the afternoon - in my delivery truck. I would really prefer Randi!

[stellanoir]

25. it's my understanding

that you'll still get it on XM so you're cool. But don't get it myself. If I can't continue streaming, then I'll be truly annoyed.

[Maat]

26. Yep, listening to the 2nd hour now.

My unit was out in the car.

Let me know about the streaming.

[ConsAreLiars]

30. XM is unchanged; internet streaming is unchanged; all local stations

are the same except in NYC. Only the NYC affiliate is making this cange.

[Eric J in MN]

45. Thanks for the explanation (nt)

nt

[Maat]

50. That's a relief!

I checked at 8 p.m. last night (my unit had been in my car), and was so glad to find out all was well!

[ConsAreLiars]

20. The NYC affiliate got more money from ABC than they do from commercials.

Unfortunately, money matters. Only those who listen to that station will lose the 2/3's of Malloy they previously broadcast. Malloy said he understands the reality - money - and AAR will be seeking to syndicate his (high rated) show to another station in the NYC area. With any luck, before too long, New Yorkers will be able to hear Mike for 3 hours instead of 2.

Why ABC would want to buy Malloy's time slot on WLIB for more than the income generated by the commercials in that time bracket is more puzzling to me than why AAR might want more income. Mike dismissed any sort of Anti-Malloy interpretation. And if ABC had some sort of intent to do harm to Malloy they sure have enough money to do more than buy his time slot in a single market. Maybe somebody wants to toss a few coins into the AAR coffer. Most likely, they just wanted to promote their "Satellite Sisters" property and didn't want to bump any programming from the ABC affiliates in NYC.

Who knows what goes on behind the curtains?

If New Yorkers (or others) want to let AAR know that they think it is important to get Malloy back on the air in NYC soon, the email, if I heard it right, is [e-mail] . And there is a message form at http://www.airamericaradio.com/contact

(edit, I corrected email address)

[Nancy Waterman]

28. We don't get Malloy in DC

Except as a sub over the holidays for Randi Rhodes. The Satellite Sisters are unbearable. We get them on Saturday AM. I don't bother to listen. Just a bunch of nonsense, nothing really political or interesting, imo.

[Strelnikov_]

36. I Always Thought That The Idea Was To Have Others Pay For Your Programming

In this case, they are paying to have their programming aired.

Also, the time slot makes no sense based on the descriptions of the show I have read. NPR-ish fluff from 10P-1A?

Malloy is a perfect fit for a late evening time slot. Kind of like the 'Beaker Street' of political talk.

This whole deal is strange.

[Bozita]

27. So, AAR's live 3 hour streaming of Malloy is unaffected?

[bedazzled]

29. WLIB always turned Mike's show off at midnight

at least they did before i left NJ a few months ago. they interrupted his show with a guy with a heavy accent who did a good job putting me to sleep!

as for the satellite sisters - used to hear some of it on saturday afternoons and thought they were pretty lame.

i wish they'd find a slot for malloy where i could hear him again. i really enjoyed when he subbed for randi!

i live in florida, and the air america station here disappears after twilight. it seems kind of pointless to buy a satellite radio (even if i could afford it) the way they're shuffling the shows around...

[NuttyFluffers]

53. exactly. all i see is AAR taking a sucker's (ABC/Disney) money.

they dropped off the last hour (or was it two?) from WLIB before for ages. and now ABC wants to pay $ to put another snoozer on at that time slot. so AAR takes their money, might as well. i hear they are now looking for another station to put malloy on. good, he'll finally be on the way he should be, not cut up into small doses. besides there's plenty of fans who love malloy and will follow him, either on satellite, internet, podcast, etc. and it's only a matter of a few weeks likely to get him on another station. mike seemed to have done pretty well in NYC, i doubt he'd be a wholly shut out commodity forever more.

[upi402]

38. Are the Sat Sisters free? I thought Mike has audience numbers.

How can the Sat Sisters make more $ for AAR? Are advertisers refusing Mike?

[ConsAreLiars]

42. AAR did not choose Sat Sisters. They made a deal with ABC to sell

the time slot on the NYC station (ONLY the NYC station, for those who have missed that fact). ABC is paying AAR mnore than the value of the commercials WLIB can expect to sell. Why ABC put up that kind of cash is a question. Why AAR took the deal is easier to understand than why ABC made it.

[upi402]

43. Here's some Disney/ABC info

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http://www.hoovers.com/disney-abc-cable/--ID__105999--/free-co-factsheet.xhtml

....*I sure wish I knew more about the inner workings of Disney*....

[Gloria]

44. Didn't AAR have a problem originally with WLIB over time

that had to go to WLIB hosts? Since it was a minority-oriented station, they had to work the deal so that some of the programming was retained, albeit overnight?

[bedazzled]

49. really? that would explain why WLIB dropped the last hour of malloy

and put on the somnolent caribbean host instead! i always thought a voice like that was ill-suited to a late hour spot. perhaps a weekend morning would've suited it better. he had a very quiet, dignified voice and the AM reception always assured you couldn't understand him anyway.

gosh, i miss malloy. he is one of the few things i miss about new jersey. he ties for my favorite host with randi....

[LizW]

47. I want to support AAR

But every single decision made since Goldberg came has made me listen less and less.

The move to XM (after I invested in a year's worth of Sirius) cut my listening time by more than half.

Jerry Springer -- I'm sorry, I think he's a terrific liberal, but not a great radio host.

The only thing I consistently listen to (because I'm home and can stream it) is Mike Malloy. I listen to the last hour of Majority Report when I can.

[Armstead]

48. ABC also made a deal that killed WEVD, another liberal station

A couple of years ago ABC bought air rights to program anothr station that was liberal in New York, WEVD owned by the jewish Forward newspaper.

In that case they bought the entire schedule and replaced it with sports talk.

One of the implications of this is that it allows a monopolistic company to control even more signals that our current anemic "laws" supposedly allow. ABC already controls a lot of radio signals in New York.

It's a shame to see Air America being complicit in this.

[AgadorSparticus]

51. MAYBE Malloy was saying too many truths about Hillary and some

powers that be are not too happy. It's just a very odd move. Why just NY? I don't know. Just wonderin...

[Garbo 2004]

52. Malloy himself said no sinister reason, purely economic. His ratings are

good but AAR will make more money selling time on WLIB to ABC. Said AAR's going to syndicate him in NYC area if they can get another NYC station to sign on.