Why Right Now I Think It Is Ok That They Link Both Parties To Abramoff.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

As frustrating as hearing the meme "Dems are part of it too" is, we have to remember that no matter how often a talking head says it, how often your moronic co-worker says it or how often you read it somewhere, that this is not a scandal that is merely a campaign type issue for debate, that will never be refuted with fact. See, this is an actual legal investigation that is being aggressively investigated, and in the end many charges will be brought.

What brings me to the conclusion in the title is that right now, by claiming both parties are involved, far more people will be paying attention hoping that someone on the other side of their fence gets nailed. It makes the scandal sound much bigger, and may leave people with the deluded impression of "oh my god, both parties are so corrupt". Good thing is though, that delusion will only be a temporary one. What is most important in this scandal is that it IS at its heart a republican one. What's most important is that 99% of all charges that will come will be against republicans. When that happens, all those thinking it was dems as well will be shocked to learn that it was in fact the culture of corruption that is the republican party. It will be close to election time, and the most recent mental impression in their minds will be republicans are bad and misleading, and democrats are clean.

That is why I don't mind. In the end, those charged and their party affiliation cannot be spun. It will be in the faces of all americans glaringly that it was a criminal repub scandal and that the dems are the ones that can clean things up. The closer to november that revelation comes to the commoners the better it is for us.

Fear not the spin when we know for certain it will be followed by facts, once the investigation is over.

[MadisonProgressive]

1. What investigation?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. Are You Kidding? n/t

[MadisonProgressive]

3. No, I'm just confused

There are so many crimes going on here I confused Abramoff with the NSA.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

4. Whew! LOL

I hear ya, my brain is burnt too nowadays with all this shit swirling around!

[MadisonProgressive]

5. I'm watching the Conyers hearing right now

so i have futility on the mind...

[toymachines]

6. except that the media will not tell the facts later

and do we really want the democratic party affiliated with a corruption skandal that it doesn't have anything to do with? K street project was a republican affair, plain and simple

[Warpy]

7. The problem is that it's not going to happen that way

The "both parties are guilty" will be SCREAMED, while "only Repugs have been indicted" will be whispered.

Consider how many people still think they found WMDs in Iraq. How many people think Saddam Hussein was training Al Qaeda terrorists. How many people think Iraqi forces threw babies out of incubators (and nobody's used that word for decades) in Kuwait. Get the picture?

This is a REPUGLICAN scandal and we can't let the blow dried yappers get away with spinning it any differently.

Check out the Wolf Blister/Dr. Dean interview cited about a sixth of the way down at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/archive/2006/wapo/

This is what we have to do any time somebody parrots garbage from talk radio or what pathetically passes for mainstream news that Democrats are guilty in the Abramoff scandal.

[toymachines]

8. except that the media will not tell the facts later

and do we really want the democratic party affiliated with a corruption skandal that it doesn't have anything to do with? K street project was a republican affair, plain and simple

[KoKo]

9. A decade or so I would have agreed with you...but with what we've seen

there's no way the Media will ever report the truth. It will always be Democrats even if they have to stretch the truth around on it's back.

Look at Bill Clinton. They are blaming Abramoff and DeLay and EVERYTHING that Bush has done and the Repugs on Bill Clinton. Not once do you hear the pundits on talking about Abramoff, DeLay or NSA Spying or Plame or any of the other scandals that you don't hear: Well, Clinton did it, Democrats did it...They ALL DO IT.

It disconnects in peoples minds and if only Repugs are found guilty they will say that it was the Democrats who did it.

That's the problem, here. We are too far down the road to total Propaganda for the American people to understand this without us out here fighting back and complaining and holding their feet to the fire.

Sad isn't it....

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. That's The Thing Though. I Have The Utmost Confidence That When This

breaks it will be far too big to not be apparent. Many members of congress will be taken down. That's not the sort of thing that can be covered up. It will be in papers, it will be in talkshows, it WILL be on tweety and the rest.

Remember, at the heart, the media are whores. Right now the biggest ratings come from nailing both parties with it. When it's done, the biggest ratings will come from beating the republican convictions to death.

That's just how I see it.

[KoKo]

13. We all hope your optimism is correct and that's what will happen.

Believe me...!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

11. I disagree. By the repubs and their sycophant media pounding this "both

parties dirty" FALSE line early, it irreversibly puts this into people's minds. People's minds work in a simple way, that's why shrubco propaganda is so effective, sadly.

[Ksec]

12. Saddam attacked us on 911

Theres another point that has no basis in fact and somewhere near half the country still believes it. If all these people get is mainstream news telling them the Dems are just as guilty as the rethugs what do you think they're gonna believe? For us its not only the rethugs we have to battle but also corporate media doing everything possible to pretend they're reporting accurately while chapping us off at the knees. They keep reporting half truths and rethug talking points KNOWING they are inaccurate, and then when they get cornered they do the fake apology like they did with the war. "Oh were sorry, we didn't know.."

Its not a conspiracy, its a powerful corporate block doing their best to keep the pro-corporate/anti-labor party in power.