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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 06:43 PM
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What's Wrong with American Agriculture
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What's Wrong with American Agriculture
By Jane Smiley, novelist and Professor of English at Iowa State
The Huffington Post, August, 2006
Straight to the Source

In the late eighties, I wrote a novel called A Thousand Acres. Everyone thought it was about incest and "King Lear". To me, those were plot elements that I was using in service to the theme, which concerned the transformation of the midwestern American landscape from a unique, diverse, and rather fragile natural ecosystem that supported methods of European animal and grain farming imported by German, English, and Scandinavian farmers during the nineteenth century to a denuded and lifeless "food" factory in which a few crops (corn, soybeans, hogs, and beef) and the money that could be made from them pushed every other consideration of human endeavor and biodiversity to the margins, or snuffed them out entirely.

My book was awarded the Pulitzer Prize and made into a movie. American agriculture got worse.

In the early nineties, I wrote another novel about farming called Moo, a comic novel that took place on the campus of a land grant university. While researching Moo, I discovered BSE, which was only just then (1992) emerging in the UK as a relative of scrapie, a form of brain-wasting disease that occurs in sheep. As far as I know, the references to BSE in Moo were the first to appear in the US. The characters in Moo discuss the practice of feeding cows, normally vegetarians, the animal byproducts of sheep farming. They are appalled. And it still seems like a no-brainer. If cows eat offal and then people eat cows, a certain proportion of people will become ill with sheep and cow diseases, and, voila, scrapie crossed two species barriers - to cows and to humans - because the agriculture corporations either didn't know what they were doing or didn't care. Nevertheless, American agriculture got worse.

After I left Iowa and started writing about other things, the ag companies (according to Michael Pollan's The Omnivore's Dilemma and the film "The Future of Food"), continued to perpetrate vicious idiocies, and to do so in a more and more aggressive manner, challenging the rights, and the abilities, of people in all parts of the world to have any say in the nature and composition of the food we put into our bodies. They have done so, as far as I can tell, solely for profit. They have exhibited greed that crosses over from mere selfish immoral criminality into actual insanity.

Here's an example. By the time I was writing A Thousand Acres, it had been apparent for some twenty-five or thirty years that insecticides and herbicides were contaminating the landscape and the water supply, killing off wildlife, destroying fertility in males and females of all species, and causing disease in the farmers themselves and their families. The common sense solution to this increasing problem would have been to acknowledge the destructive power of these unnatural chemicals, and to have shifted American agriculture away from their use. The ag companies, however, preferred to remake the ecosystem so that farmers would use more chemicals rather than fewer; they genetically modified seed to make it resistant to an herbicide, Round-up, that when applied would destroy every living plant around it except the proprietary seed plants also owned by the corporation that formulated Round-up. This is exactly analogous to an act of war against the natural ecosystem. It produced acts of war against the farmers, too, because Monsanto aggressively pursued royalty payments from anyone and everyone who had those genetically modified plants in their fields, no matter how they got there, and even if the farmer didn't want them there. Let's say vandals invade your house, eat all your food, drink all your liquor, and make a terrible mess. After they burn the house down, they send you a bill, and sue you if you don't pay it. And the judge backs them up. That is what Monsanto has done to the farmer, and what it is doing to the ecosystem. Still, it's a no-brainer. If chemicals are killing us and our world, we stop manufacturing the chemicals, unless we are insanely greedy and demonically possessed by the idea that every single element of life, every seed and bit of DNA can and must be owned by someone. Here's what the big ag companies want to do - they want to own and contaminate the entire gene pool of all the world's food resources for their own profit and without the knowledge or input of anyone who will actually be eating the food or living in the world they create. So far, the French and the Japanese and some other nations are standing firm, but the US government, our government, your government, is trying to enforce the will of the big ag companies. With regard to ag policy, Clinton and Gore were bad, but Bush and Cheney are infinitely worse. Let's call a spade a spade here. By means of corrupting the Congress and the Executive and the Judiciary branches of our government, the ag companies have changed the rules, and deregulated themselves. They have given their crimes against humanity technical legality, but they are still crimes against humanity (and, in fact, against the entire natural world).
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:00 PM
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1. Kind of scary huh? Especially considering what we mostly eat is
crap anyhow in all those boxes and bags of frozen food.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:18 PM
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4. As Ralph Nader has so aptly pointed out, we have given them
ownership of our flora and fauna. As an organic gardener, and a research nutritionist, I am astounded at what the average American does not want to hear about the stuff they put in their mouths!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:43 AM
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22. i agree, see no evil/eat no evil
folks might want to close their lips and open their eyes.

how much $ would anyone take to eat a couple grains of insecticide after reading what it does in the body?

i spend more on organic and save at the Rx 10-fold.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 07:25 PM
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2. we need a roundup and cattle drive....
of the corporate pigs and their henchmen in the media/government and civil society need to be rounded up from wherever they are, and gathered together for a huge drive (imagine, 100's of thousands of goof suited bald headed pigs and nasty wymen bawling and crying about 'right's etc) to the farthest reaches of the land.....every town city and village along the route would contribute local pigs for the drive, which would end at the seashore somewhere (which would then be walled off, the sea itself having been mined) ....
let em eat cake
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:27 PM
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5. I think this is what the Rapture is supposed look like
:rofl:
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:41 PM
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7. according to a recent dept of health (?) study
i heard about on the radio, the amount of nutients in a agri-biz tomato, for example, is 1/3 what they were in early 70's, thanks to profiteering etc. it's not like this vandalism is unknown: there is enormous data telling the story. Again, the problem is the pig, in the agri biz, drug biz, financial biz, government biz and esp in the pigmedia biz. it is almost insane that these criminals are allowed to go on and on!
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:56 PM
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8. It's scary and makes no sense to experiment on our food!
And so shortsighted. What poisons me and you won't spare the agro-execs and their families.

How do we address all the critical issues that threaten to overwhelm us? Corporate greed. The war on the environment. Our dwindling energy supply. Our contaminated food supply. It's neverending.

And it all has a "soylent green" smell to it. Just too creepy.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 09:07 PM
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9. They don't eat the shit
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 09:12 PM by Elwood P Dowd
The agribusinesses execs eat organic food and drink glacial water. The same goes for Bush, Congress, and all the other wealthy scum running our country. They know the other shit will kill 'em.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 09:32 PM
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12. I drink glacial water too thanks to my municipal water company
but I can't prevent nuclear contamination from seeping into the water table at some level. Seems like as more time goes by, pure food and water is going to be hard to keep separate from contaminated supplies. Look at those farmers who are being sued by Monsanto because the patented seeds are contaminating their fields. Obviously, if they can't control their monsters, they can't protect themselves either.

This whole food contamination thread is grossly disturbing. I think I am going to go back on a rice and tofu diet.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:13 AM
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24. well then...
be careful of GM soybeans, and don't eat US grown rice... the entire commercial supply is suspected contaminated. Unless you know a biodynamic/organic farmer that grows rice that is...

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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:44 AM
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29. So what's a safe brand of rice to buy?
My little garden furnishes most of my veggies, but I sure as hell can't grow rice.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:25 PM
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31. That's only the long-grain stuff, isn't it?
I eat Japanese rice grown by Japanese-American rice farmers from California. They are desparate to sell in Japan, so they will do anything to convince the Japanese their crop is as good as native supplies.

Anyone know if this rice supply is safe?

Of course, I always wash it before cooking as generations of my Asian ancestors have always done. Now you've got me afraid to eat it at all!

Damn. Contaminating the soybean supply is not cool at all.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:58 PM
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33. veggie products and rice...
GM soy is sometimes found in Vegetarian prepared foods (Gardenburger, etc). If you are concerned, buying Organic, you are less likely to have had GM soy interference. The problem with contaminated products generally stems from Monoculture and perversely huge farms. Wind spreads pollen, spreads bioengineering, spreads lawsuits (few of which tend to favor the family farmer) and finally spreads sickness. The soy i'm talking about here has however been "approved for consumption" by our current FDA.

The rice is another matter. It came to the attention of Canadian(?) border agents that the US rice supply is contaminated when they tested cargo for GM markers. No one knows to what extent the supply is fucked because no one wants to test it all to find out. Problem however (BIG PROBLEM IMO) is that these particular rice grains had PHARMACEUTICAL purposes and had spread. NOT INTENDED for human OR animal consumption. Long Medium Short, i don't think the grain size will matter.

Your best bet is to stick with a local CSA that practices sound organic/biodynamic principles and which doesn't happen to be within a 100-200 mile radius of FrankenFarms inc. Otherwise be sure to buy rice from Japan or Europe and avoid pre-constituted soy products

BTW, your farmer friends will never get their product into Japan as all US rice is considered sub-par and they have had VERY TIGHT restrictions on imports of rice from us for some time...

...at least we'll be RoundUp Ready when the time comes! :(



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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 04:24 PM
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34. Here's where I get my rice
It looks like they don't purchase frankenseed and are dedicated to traditional cultivation and quality. My mom swears they are the only good rice farmers in America. And she grew up on a rice farm.

http://www.kodafarms.com/products.html#krose
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:42 PM
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38. they look good...
and i highly doubt that they would be using any GM seed. Also, CA has the strictest laws for GM crops. But it does worry me a little that they only mention Organic in their FAQ page and it looks like they only produce a very small percentage of the Organic stuff. My guess is that they get a lower yield and smaller grain when they try... and have not been convinced that it is profitable enough. Current studies tell us that it takes around 3 years to convert a field to a stable "organic" crop (they cannot be certified as organic until after 5 or 10 years depending on the state)... and that yields are comparable (though size has been a controversial subject among producers... without the commercial fertilizers, produce does not become as tremendous as we americans are accustomed to). I suppose it would take their customers urging them to produce more organic rice for them to consider it viable.

I bet it tastes damn good though!

As for me, i eat locally grown produce in season as much as i possibly can and put up storables when appropriate. But i'm pretty poor so i'm not opposed to eating sale items from Stop&Shop (at least they're Union) and checking the day old racks...

there's only so much we can do...



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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:06 PM
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3. We give our silent approval when we buy their poisonous crap-
If all those that can afford to, put their money where there mouth is or try growing their own, the farmers would have to change their ways.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 08:33 PM
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6. Jane Smiley is one of our very few writer-heroes.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 09:11 PM
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10. Both of those books occupy a place on my shelves,
and have been read several times. It's no surprise that her non-fiction is as good as her fiction!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 09:19 PM
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11. So what are we going to do about it?
Join the heirloom/naturally grown food movement! Patronize farmer's markets, local small farmers, food co-ops, CSAs and stay away from grocery chains as much as possible. If you have the yard and the inclination, grow your own food. Here's a fine place to purchase heirloom seeds. I can personally recommend Heirloom Acres, for their seeds have performed very well in my personal garden, and others that I know of.
<http://www.heirloomacres.net/heirloomacres/default.asp> Or if you wish to become more involved in heirloom seeds, you can become a member of the Seed Saver's Exchange<http://www.seedsavers.org/>.

If you are like I am, and have a few acres that you're wondering how to handle, well the key is diversity, and this magazine will show you how to go down that path. Small Farmer Today is a wonderful resource, full of practical information on everything from growing to harvesting to value added production. And if you are like I am and working towards commercial production, I would recommend that you take the time and money to visit the National Small Farmers Convention and Trade Show this fall. Not only does it provide excellent seminars on everything from hands on biodiesel production to heirloom sheep production, it will allow you to meet others like yourself, small farmers who are mad as hell and determined to take back rural America from the corporate thieves, to once again make farmers who are stewards of the land rather than cogs in the machine. <http://www.smallfarmtoday.com/about.asp>

There are many things that people can do, either as a consumer or as a producer. But the main thing that we all have to do is to engage in a complete paradigm shift. Over the past fifty year, the American food consumers and food producers have become seperated, spread out to two seperate realms that rarely, if ever had contact with each other. It is time to reverse that trend, to where the consumer and farmer are partners with each other, rather than at opposite end of the factory farm chain. If we do that, if we take food production back in the people's hands, then corporate America will either have to adapt or get out of the farming business. Frankly I would prefer the latter myself, and let people, not corporations, once again be the stewards of the land.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 09:38 PM
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13. this is one of those times I wish I could Recommend a single post
thanks for the info!
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 09:56 PM
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15. No problem,
And thanks for the compliment:hi:

I've been tied to agriculture all of my life, through my father, a vo-ag teacher, and my grandfather, a farmer. I've lived in small town Missouri all of my life, and have had a ringside seat as rural America has gone to hell. Back in the late seventies and early eighties, governmental policies essentially pulled a pump and dump scheme on the small farmer, especially under Reagan, and millions of farmers were out of business, out of a farm, and many simply killed themselves. Here is a brief history of the times, and the statitics are chilling<http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id395.htm>

So it was a natural for me to get back out to the country, it provides me with the greatest satisfaction to look out across the land, seeing my trees starting grow, harvesting my own food, being rewarded for treating the land well. Sure, I may never make enough money to quit my day job, but it will provide a supplemental income that will help with retirement(I seriously doubt that I'll see one penny of Social Security:shrug:) but more importantly I know that this acreage is being treated right, and that I'm doing my own little part to help this country via better food and better food awareness.

And besides, the small farm movement makes for some interesting characters, which in and of itself is encouraging. This is the only public arena that I've ever come across where you've got Christian fundementalists joining up with old school hippies to propel the cause forward. In fact I that it is in this movement that we've found the true heirs of the original Populist movements in this country, and it makes for fun times.

Glad I could help with the post, I feel this information needs to get out there. And thanks again for the compliment:hi:
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:04 PM
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16. my husband's family farms and there is no one in the younger
generation is there to take over

they have a family corporation but they still struggle

dry farming wheat and lentils in Eastern Wash and Idaho

fuel costs and fertilizer hurt bad this year esp now they are "road farmers" where the land is scattered across the county with new leases away from the homestead

we just bought an acre in rural NM and I'm putting in a small patch next year for us. I told DH about the nutrition in tomatoes and he's ready to help me with the patch

guess learning to can is next....
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:49 AM
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23. Good Post
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 06:50 AM by BronxBoy
My wife and I started selling at market this year, primarily heirloom tomatoes and people are BEGGING for quality food at a reasonable price. We are still fairly green and we had a real problem keeping up with demand. The key is reasonable pricing. At the height of the season, we were doing some shopping at the local supermarket and I was looking at their "organic" section. I had to laugh. Their "heirloom" tomatoes ranged from $3.50 to $5.00 a pound. But the price wasn't the funniest thing: It was that every single "heirloom" tomato was perfectly round and smooth without a blemish on them. Anyone who has spent anytime growing tomatoes knows that real tomatoes take on their own shape and character. And the funny thing is that people can see through the curtain. The following Saturday at market, we had a couple of customers who saw the same display at the supermarket and they were absolutely slamming it.

I can't emphasize what you have pointed out about the small farm movement. We started in this to help subsidize our gardening projects and have now gotten hooked about bringing quality food to people without busting their budget. We won't be quitting our day jobs either but hopefully we can help change a small part of the world on Saturday mornings.

If you have a local farmer's market in your area, PLEASE SUPPORT IT. You'll get healthier food at reasonable prices.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:28 AM
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19. i always start with this place -
ORGANIC CONSUMERS ASSOCIATION it's a good clearinghouse of information and you'll find some knowledgeable people in the forums there, although they are woefully under utilized.

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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:47 AM
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25. I've been trying to figure out how to raise most of my food for the last
2 years. I bought a small farm 10 years ago with the idea of raising emus. Then I found out how to raise them. Too much like work. So I've been trying to raise anything here in FLorida. I had to take a Master Gardener course last year and found out northern gardening schedules don't work at all here. So the last year has been quite an eye-opener. The fruit trees I plants 9-10 years ago are giving us enough fruit for both us and the critters around here that help themselves. Summer is the worst time to grow veggies in Florida. This year has been quite a lot of experiments.

I want to thank you for all the likes. I will be checking out everyone of them. There are perinnial veggies, which I really like that idea. Plant them once and forget about them. It's also amazing the number of landscaping plants people plant that can be eaten: hostras, day lilies, some of the hibiscus (leaves).
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 09:51 PM
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14. For 10,000 years farmers shared knowledge freely.That changed 20 years ago
Governments (bought by industry) decided money could be made from that knowledge. Now by adding a miniscule amount of knowledge to the accumulated knowledge of 10,000 years, private companies own all of that accumulated knowledge and sell it.

Now farmers are making record losses and agribusiness is making record profits.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:55 PM
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40. Is that why cropland prices have crashed?
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:32 PM
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41. Corn and wheat prices are up 25% so far this year. Sugar has doubled.
But farm income will get no better because agribusiness corporations (energy, seed, fertiliser, herbicide, vet drugs, machinery makers, banks, processors, packagers, treansporters, retailers and restaurants) use their market power to extract profits that should go to the farmer. Fertilizer makers, for example price according to what the market will bear. They raise input prices as commodity prices go up.

During the past few record low income years for farmers, agribusiness industries have made record profits. I only look at Canadian data, but I guess the US is similar.
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:08 PM
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17. Debt. The bank only lends to USDA program growers........
the program growers are required to plant approved varieties of seed, use approved amounts of fertilizer and pesticide. The farmer is owned by the bank.

Where you have farmers that arent' owned by the bank they switch to organic methods to save money and increase long term yields. Rodale institute has proven in several multi-year trials that organic methods yeild more grain per input dollar, more per hour of labor and more at multi-year averages.

A farmer using organic methods is undercut by subsidized farmers that get money from the government to pass along to Dow, Monsanto and ADM. They are cut off from federal crop insurance programs; another kind of subsidy.

The weirdest thing about this system is that the Bible clearly and repeatedly prohibits usery; lending money for interest. All of these devout "Christian" farmers seem to ignore one of the clearest prohibitions on behavior in the bible.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 10:28 PM
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18. The repukes will probably attempt to make organic farmers terrorists
Edited on Sat Aug-26-06 10:31 PM by Elwood P Dowd
in the future. They will grant some special convoluted organic patent to the big agribusinesses, which will force small family farms and gardens out of business . Serving home-grown veggies to the kids will land you in prison for child abuse. Selling a bucket of beans to your neighbor will get you five to ten in the federal pen, as home-grown veggies are treated the same as home-grown pot. All the while, special "government approved" organic farms will furnish the fruits and vegetables for the ruling elite.
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:40 AM
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20. Done! Organic "certification" is now too costly for small growers.
so that large farms can afford it buy small growers at your farmers market can't manage the cost. "Organic" may as well be a Del Monte brand name anymore. Check with the Rodale Institute for verification.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 09:30 AM
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27. Yes, but we're fighting back
Certifiied organic is designed to drive out the small organic farmers, and instead reward the large corporate farmers. However there is a movement afoot called "certified naturally grown". It isn't just a matter of sematics, it is a matter of politics and a matter of saving the small farms.<http://www.naturallygrown.org/>

So next time you are tempted to buy certified organic, instead look around and find the certified naturally grown instead.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 04:39 PM
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35. Thanks for the link.
Ever since the government managed to screw up the meaning of certified organic I've been becoming more of a locavore every year. I even buy beef from a local ranch (one of the 'partners' listed on the certified naturally grown site, I see.) Their cattle are grass-fed because they graze the public open space, eating the same wild grasses and grains that would otherwise fuel wild fires.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 05:01 PM
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37. Thanks for that link, It's my contention that corporate practises should
also be in the guidelines of a label such as 'naturallygrown'.

Not just agricultural practises that go into the food but business practises too.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:36 AM
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21. "Deregulation has made this debacle" . . . indeed it has . . .
which is why a true opposition party would make re-regulation of corporations central to its platform . . .

if and when that actually happens, you'll know that things are really changing . . . until then, it's all window dressing . . .
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:47 AM
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26. If you want clean food for your family join a CSA
CSA is the acronym for Community Supported Agriculture.

Basic info and links: http://www.chiron-communications.com/farms.html

Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) offers a way for every human being to be directly involved in the care and healing of the earth, while also ensuring a supply of clean, healthy food for their families and their neighbors.

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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:22 AM
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28. "This is exactly analogous to an act of war against the natural ecosystem"
and against all those living on the edge of poverty, worldwide, as farmers.
monsato believes they should become their customers or fucking starve.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:47 AM
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30. corporations, deregulation, capitalism
the triple whammy
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:55 PM
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32. We consumers have hit the trifecta - again. We sure have been
"lucky" under *. The last trifecta someone commented on was: one party gov't, news media supporting that one party gov't, and an opposition party that doesn't oppose. Anymore luck and we'll all be dead.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 04:44 PM
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36. monoply and the economies of scale are a failure
in agriculture... where diversity and complexity are the true nature of the earth who is being
nutured for output.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:48 PM
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39. This agricultural abuse is why life expectancy have nose-dived in America
in the last fifteen years. True or false?
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 05:34 AM
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42. Look at a grocery store. 80% of the stuff in there is garbage. Look
at the carts at check-out. 95% of most peoples carts are that same garbage. I'd say the food processing industry and the advertising industry and the laziness of American consumers who are just too busy to shop and cook nutritius food is a major factor.

As I was writing the above, I remembered why I don't eat much fresh veggies and fruit - the fruit isn't ripe and the veggies have been out of the ground for days to weeks if not months. I remember real tree ripened peaches when I was a kid. Canteloupe that tasted great. I can't get them at the store anymore. We now growth crops of tasteless tomatoes.

I'd say the American public is mostly to blame. They bought this stuff and no complaints. If everyone demanded good food, we'd have it. Just too easy to eat all those sugary foods with the vitamins added.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 09:40 AM
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43. This is why Americans are dying younger and younger?
Yes?
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 06:15 PM
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44. This is why our health is so bad. As for the death statistics, I haven't
really heard anything about Americans dying younger. Being sick longer does seem to be a problem. Problem is, the elderly and baby boomers at least grew up with real food and cooking.
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