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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:30 AM
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Why are we all Pretending?
Americans are pretenders, for reasons I can't explain, we like to pretend that everything is going fine and will work itself out somehow. We pretend that george bush, a common garden variety slug, is the president of us all. But we know he's not really in charge.

Yet reporters still pretend that he is, and they ask him questions that he pretends to understand, and they accept his pretend answers, and print them in the pretend newspapers.

We pretend we are a nation at war, but we aren't. We pretend that the news media is fair and balanced but it isn't. We pretend as if we had fair elections the last few times and we pretend that the elections in the future will be fair.

We pretend that the war in Iraq is going swimmingly, that we aren't preparing to war with Iran. We pretend that the November elections will make everything better and we'll soon be pulling out of Iraq, but we're not.

When will we stop pretending that we are at war with terror, and stop pretending that we are the greatest nation, and stop pretending that things will go our way if we can just get our guys elected? We should stop pretending that we have well intentioned leaders, we don't. Only we the people can take care of we the people.

In every level of our lives we should stop pretending, playtime is over.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:37 AM
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1. Some people do not think it is all a pretense. They are commonly called R
Republicans.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:45 AM
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2. One criticism: to imply that your elections since 2000 have been
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 07:02 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
'unfair', is like saying that Herod would have been an unsuitable baby-sitter.

'Dishonest', 'pretend', 'subverted', 'corrupt' would all serve; qualified, inevitably, by at least one of the following terms: 'deeply', 'profoundly','comprehensively', 'criminally', incredibly, or a word or words to similar effect.
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FlavaKreemSnak Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:47 AM
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3. After we attack Iran we will be at war

Do you mean like when people who are against it say that in Iraq and Afghanistan etc it is not really right to call it a war because the other side is so weak they can't really fight back much?

Because if that is what you mean Iran is a big country and has an army and even an air force and we don't know yet if we will be able to make deals like they did with Iraq and just give them money not to fight back.

The problem is that even if the army etc agrees, the people don't and they will keep trying to fight back even if they don't have anything but IED's etc. And of course either way it is considered terrorism for anybody to fight back against us or Israel so that means that we will always have the war on terror. Like in the countries we help to have pro-American leaders the people are still not pro-American so we consider those countries to have a terror problem, but what we usually say is that they would all be pro-American except Iran keeps interfering and sending foreign fighters and also inciting anti-American sentiments, but I don't think even they think a lot of the stuff they say, I don't think attacking Iran will make the people in all those countries start being pro-American, but unless we can get all of their air force and army to agree not to fight back once we attack them nobody will be able to say it is not really a war, because even though we have more weapons than anybody, Iran does have some.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:58 AM
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4. Why, it's like the visible gov't is a front for a Secret (Shadow) Gov't...
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:48 AM
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11. Reminds me so much of
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 07:52 AM by undergroundpanther
The deep denial in the German population that something very bad was occurring in their culture in the Early days of Hitler's Germany I see the forced intolerant optimism and because everything seemed so normal and stable at first nobody did anything rash...Why be CONCERNED NOW..?There is no conspiracy,no black-water troops outside..The rule of law will protect us from tyrants,protests still get heard..Go ahead Tell me another lie...if it makes you feel empowered in this approaching train wreck,go ahead feed me false hope..Sit on your butt and have another round..rome is burning,why bother? It'll all work out right?
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:29 AM
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5. pathological optimism..??

SUNK COSTS
To understand the notion of sunk costs, consider that when one pursues a goal and the pursuit is frustrated as one gradually comes to learn that one cannot really reach the goal, there are useless costs that already have been incurred along the way in what now looks to be a futile pursuit.Rather than abandoning the pursuit of a goal that can now be seen to be impos­sible to attain, human beings are typically resistant to giving up. This amounts to irrational persistence. We human beings seem to have much difficulty accepting that all costs already incurred in a futile pursuit are sunk, or, as is also said, are stranded costs. These sunk or stranded costs have taken us nowhere near our goal and almost certainly never will; so we must conclude that our past effort and other costs can serve only to teach us we have been on a dead-end pursuit. But we may not want to come to this conclusion no matter how compelling the evidence.

The lost, stranded, or sunk costs in pursuing a goal that now comes into focus as practically impossible to attain are a powerful image that can irrationally sustain still more futile motivation to persist in pursuit of a lost cause. "I've put all this effort into this project, so I'm not going to leave it behind now no matter what!" can be either the rational voice of reasoned optimism or the irrational voice of someone lost in the irrational psychology of being unable to yet accept that one's costs are sunk and will continue to sink more if put into the same old futile pursuit.
In this state of resistance we are irrationally persistent and then are likely to incur still more sunk costs to pursue what is surely a lost cause!

The ubiquity and power of the psychology of the irrationality of futile persistence when having to confront the harsh reality of sunk costs should not be underestimated. The irrational human persistence in pursuit of lost causes for which one has already incurred many stranded costs is powerful enough, but it is made even more powerful whenever the goal that is unattainable is a "maintenance goal" as opposed to merely an "acquisitive goal."


Consider the gambler,Because he sunk money into the one armed bandit,and he wants to win, he keeps putting money in,for a win..If he wins small he reinvests in an improbable outcome,PRETENDING it will work he will hit the jackpot telling himself the machine is hot,it feels so full,just a few more coins and it will bust ect.ect..He does this self deceptive game knowing the casino's policies are stacked against him.It is not as random as it appears.He refuses to stop feeding the machine of fruitless hope because he has sunk costs into that fantasy..He's invested in the jackpot fantasy so he keeps pulling the lever despite the obvious he is losing money most likely won't win,and it looks like he will leave the casino broke..That is why on a social scale we do the same shit over and over and wonder why things never change,so we pretend it will resolve itself.And we pretend we don't get it,and we tell ourselves all is fine even when obviously it's not fine..We are playing a game of make believe on a grander scale because we invested in this fantasy that we got unlimited free will and can control reality if we just invest in it more....A deadly fallacy.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:34 AM
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6. Because until it really tangibly affects them it doesn't matter.
When they don't have enough fuel, rolling blackouts, food shortages, wait-when this happens and the truth slaps them in the face like a wet fish, then they will be forced to quit pretending. There is no way to maintain a pretense in the face of the cold hard truth. The forty percent devaluation of the American Dollar which has occurred on this Administration's watch is causing a shift of petrodollars to Euros and it will be the straw that plunges us into a depression. The pain will be sure to wake up even the most somnolent among us.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:39 AM
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7. sleepwalking
Like Conrad Veidt in Dr. Caligari's Cabinet.

I think you're right, that's when it will hit us in the face, and the planners of the chaos will be far removed by that time.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:44 AM
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8. sunk costs
We like the staus quo why change a good thing..What they don't realize the good thing is not all that good.Sunk costs keep them loyal beyond all reason to the american dream that is not real..
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:48 AM
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10. And THAT'S why there's a Patriot Act...n/t
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:46 AM
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9. fear
makes people into pretenders. Nobody wants to think it's 'that bad.' We want to have a sense of control, even if it's false. That attitude can carry people through crisis times. It's a survival instinct.

I don't see Americans as deluded or as pushovers. Far from it. But in some ways we suffer from too much stoicism and ability to "put up and shut up.' We need to stop being such pollyannas, such long-suffering stoics IMO.

We deserve better and we need to learn what we have to do to get what we really need. No, this making do won't do.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:53 AM
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14. There is a large contingent of people who are simply unwilling to
believe their lying eyes! They know it in their hearts but they can't go against decades of "USA #1!" and admit that it just ain't so. Not free, not number one, not a democracy, just not.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:51 AM
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20. Right--it's hard to let go of romantic notions,
hard to admit that your core beliefs are not grounded in reality. But it can come to a point where the truth can't be avoided. When this crisis happens to an individual, there is usually a breakdown or some form of personality disintegration. But --if the passage is successful--this can also lead the way to integration at a higher level.

So the way I cope with what is occurring now at a societal level is to consider that there is a possibility (possibility) for profound changes. We who have no problem letting go of romantic notions in the face of hard truths are the pioneers now. We have to forge ahead--not putting down those who have been all too happy in their ignorance and blindness, but leading the way out of the dark tunnel. That's the challenge. We need to go for it now, not just wallow in the depression that comes from observing the ostrich behavior of others. The Powers That Be have trained us all to suffer quietly. But the breaking point comes. We need to be ready to harness the momentum (which looks nothing like Joementum).
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:05 AM
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16. sufferin'succotash..
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 08:06 AM by undergroundpanther

Marions Ghost wrote"But in some ways we suffer from too much stoicism and ability to "put up and shut up.' We need to stop being such Pollyanna's, such long-suffering stoics IMO."

And I agree and add..we also need to stop bashing ,belittling and being jerks to people who don't' see any use in playing the stoic game or who break the feel good illusions of control,or who have seen too much to be pollyannas.Listen..to the sound of delusion shattering,and wake up and walk into the nightmare it is the only chance we have of ending it.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:08 AM
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17. If I treat my husband nicer, he'll stop beating me so much.
Sure, he beats me when he gets drunk, but I probably had it coming cause I pushed his buttons or I'm not attentive to his needs enough, etc.

A man beats you one time, that's it, marriage over.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:15 AM
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18. No rehab for tyrants
Off with their heads because they do not care, don't care who gets hurt they won't consider or stop their insanity goal to dominate and control and abuse us all They don't change ,with therapy or anything else.Because they are tyrants sociopaths..Morally inferior bullies...But a fist to the face or a gun to the head or a noose or a lethal injection stops a tyrant..Tyrants never stop trying to dominate and exploit until someone stops them..it's all a game to the sociopath a zero sum game.Nobody else counts in the tyrants world but the tyrant.Sociopaths and the freedom for the people who care are incompatible.One has to go..Let it be the tyrants.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 09:03 AM
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23. yep, sometimes
when you can't swim over it or under it...you gotta swim right through it. Some are psychologically better prepared to do this than others. Most people are naturally risk adverse, but it can get to the point where the risk of doing nothing becomes worse than the risk of doing something.

The stoics' antennae are up. They're listening now. Stoicism as a strategy is failing in the face of the most depraved and corrupt administration in US history. "OMG, it IS that bad" is sinking in....
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 09:04 AM
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24. We tolerate way too much crap.
We've actually gotten used to it, and we expect it, and we accept it. This shames us all.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:50 AM
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12. Did somebody fart in the elevator?
Is there a crap smell pervading everything? Was that farting sound from the supreme court on 12 december 2000
has unleashed a blistering scent, a cloud of offal that blisters our nostrels with its acrid stench.
Our eyes our watering, tears running down, continuously from the stench of the fart... when will the doors open
pray tell, and will somebody please turn off the muzak.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:50 AM
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13. Pretending Jesus is coming back.
Pretending God will save us all. Pretending our leaders will make us safer. Pretending we aren't going to get hit again. Pretending that gas prices will not triple. Pretending that the oil will last forever.

Pretending that the neo cons will go away if we get a Democratic house and senate. Pretending our vote counts. Pretending we aren't on the verge of social and economic collapse.

Pretending that our children will inherit a better world. Pretending for peace on earth every Christmas. Pretending that we are all basically good people. Pretending that our health care system will nurture us.

Pretending that someday the republicans will see the light and come around. Pretending that our sons and daughters will somehow escape being sucked into war. Pretending that all hell is not about to break loose.

Don't get me started.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:00 AM
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15. Pretending
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 08:01 AM by undergroundpanther
bullies,rapists,sociopaths and corrupt tyrants are just like US and can feel empathy shame and guilt and because of this solipsisms thinking we have faith they will stop the abuses if we just keep pitying,tolerating their abuses,and obeying, pretending they are good souls like we are deep down even as they excuse torture of innocents and children. We pretend these sick people will eventually be filled up and stop being greedy pigs ,the abuser will stop by them self once they see the suffering they cause....Nothing could be further from the truth..This is why it was said the Tree of liberty is nourished by the blood of tyrants..It is the BLOOD of dead tyrants that sets the decent people who care about each other and the planets well being,free from a tyrants tyranny. Not the psychological counseling, jailing,social services,restraining orders,or forced community service,or tolerance.. of tyrants that sets us free.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:49 AM
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19. Speak for yourself
"We" are not pretending. "They" are.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 09:17 AM
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26. "We" are pretending we're doing all we can to stop it.
and we're not.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 09:40 AM
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27. Correct.
And we know that to be true. How committed are we? That becomes the final truth...
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:52 AM
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21. No I don't pretend
I even have a magnetic ribbon that says "just pretend it's all ok" to try and awaken the sleepy heads.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:54 AM
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22. take that back: slugs are good natured, industrious moral creatures
Bush is the antithesis of that.

well, ok, they have slime in common.

:rofl:
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 09:14 AM
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25. screw all that political bullshit
why are we pretending we have a place to live. The planet is literally breaking down right in front of our eyes; as if it could ever sustain the ridiculous human population numbers in the first place. Got children? why are you pretending they have a future?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 10:31 AM
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28. prolly can't stop an ice age, but I wonder how long until it comes?
even then, the whole planet doesn't get iced over, does it? So some will survive, and after the ice age, the world will be lovely and new
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 10:36 AM
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30. As a believer in reincarnation Sooth
I actually look more forward to that day than I do tomorrow sometimes.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 10:35 AM
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29. Well said and true natrat
If Al Gore's scientist friends are right we are well and truly fu*ked because I don't see the human race, or its corporate controllers, getting off its collective ass in time to do much about it. It is one of the reasons I CHOSE not to bring a child into this world because I am absolutely sure I would be powerless to protect them from it.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:32 AM
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31. OK, everyone, here is your opportunity
Who do you know that can thwart their devilish plans to "select out" members of our society?

You are, at this moment, being contacted by a victim of each individual's and the collective pretense that things are ok and the "well, what can I do about it?" attitudes.

We live in Ohio. I've been living in that state of Repuke "pathological optimism" all my life. In fact, I actually had the nerve to try to grow up and have a life apart from the Fundies that contributed to my evidently "bad" genes.

In the absence of broken noses, black eyes, and bruises, I remain an abused, battered, bullied person, in spite of a stable work history that enabled me to pay for education beyond the "free" public education handed out by the State and in the name of personal responsibility for my choice to "love, honor, cherish, till death us do part," to bear and raise children, to return to Ceasar that which was mandated up until now.

Seeking support for a decision to leave that situation, I have approached my Fundie relatives, health care providers, employers, educators. On that note, I can say that I've sublimated my unhappiness for the sake of those responsiblities that I chose: children, pets, homes, church, community. I can continue to sublimate that state of unhappiness with the single choice I made 36 years ago, or I can leave it to go "naked" and without any resources at all ($$) into the world, as long as I have don't run into criminals or become one myself. Where are the persons and the State that were charged to support this holy state of matrimony and/or legalized business contract of marriage, anyway. Why has this happened?

At the ripe old ages >40 but not yet eligible for SS, which will also soon be usurped, how are we to live. Over the years, we've have evidence of taking responsibility for our choices, but we cannot control a society that refuses to maintain responsibility to keep us in employment that has, in the past, allowed us to make choices that supported any separate adult lifestyle at all!

Why has society now decided that we are useless. Employers lie to our faces, thwart our best efforts to maintain responsible civic behavior(s), take back that which would enable civic stability!

DEMS, it's got to stop and begin anew RIGHT NOW with each individual's personal responsibility to recognize decent behavior and reward it with jobs for persons who support beliefs in God and the goodness of the human experience, in beliefs that children and deserving adults need to be either be employed and/or educated with opportunities to grow.

In the absence of that, each one of you will eventually find yourself surrounded by anarchy, terrow, and unsurpassed shame that you allowed it. Illegal foreigners who come to this country receive better treatment. BTW, it's not my fault that I was born to repukes, that my husband was an only child, that I chose to have children at a time in the past when I surely was able to "afford" them, and I don't believe my genes are any more faulty that each one of yours.

How can YOU help. I'm in crisis mode! PM me today!



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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:58 AM
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32. Self kick for visibility!
:kick:
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:18 PM
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33. No PMs yet...
Go ahead, hit the IGNORE button, or repeat after the FUNDIES, "I'll pray for you." That's exactly the response that's the problem!
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 09:47 AM
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52. Insult atheists, then beg for PMs
pffft.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:18 PM
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34. Trust me , I am in full blown reality
And I have to say it's got me worried and up nights . I don't see any way out of this mess and the mess is spread out far and wide . If we are not murdered by an attack or jobless and starve to death we could be bombed or end up in a containment camp .

I think even for those who realize what's going on it's difficult to face the truth , it scares me to death lately and this is not giving into the right wing tactics they have already got their wars and corp control , we have to deal with this .
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:28 PM
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35. I remember a book that made a bit of a splash, on just this topic,
in the early 90's - late 80's. Made the point that, not only are we a nation of liars, but that we always have been, it is just recently that the habit has filtered (dare I say trickled) down to the sheeple to become commonplace.

I don't see any indication that we are ready to forsake false images and deal with reality.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:31 PM
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36. Gee, that was constructive...
What's the name of this book and the author? Greyhound1966 read while Rome(USA) burned?...Cripe, get some fire up in this network of DEMS...time and lives are awastin'.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:20 PM
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41. OK, somebody woke up grumpy today.
This one ain't about D's & R's, it is about us. "I've seen the enemy, and it is us."

I don't recall the title and/or author, that's why I threw it out there, someone may remember it and others might be interested. Apparently that is not you, have another cup of coffee and calm down, please. :hangover:
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:07 PM
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42. No, not grumpy - frustrated.
Simply stated - that cup of coffee is part of my "infrastructure" that has disappeared when I finished the last drop in my cup this AM. Drink water, you say...that will be turned off when the bill is not paid. Oh, wait - I still have the Kool Aid Lite in the pantry, so I'll run right over to the nearest polluted river or over to, maybe, your house to borrow some. My point is that the collective you will be a little less strong when you go to fight the battle if someone does not validate that we are a useful part of society. One needs a photo ID and/or evidence of an address (unpaid utility bill) to vote in this state. Perhaps it's just a touch of "unemployment fatigue." I don't believe in coincidences, only the illusions of coincidences." V.

Are you justifying your presence in this nightmare by also saying that there's nothing you can do except read books? We're two-fingers drowning in GOP corruption; should I consider a life of crime? Maybe I am a life of crime. Stop giving the corrupt/immoral credibility and stop taking a pass on the immorality that has stolen your will and conscience.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:41 PM
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44. Believe me, my situation is dire indeed, maybe worse than yours.
We can compare sob stories elsewhere, but this thread has nothing to do with that. I was merely pointing out that we are, indeed, a nation of liars and always have been, and as such, we are also more apt to buy into other's lies.

What little I can do is being done and what comes next will follow. To believe that I am going to go out and single-handedly make the idiot sheep I'm surrounded by suddenly wake up realize the truth is folly and a waste of time that will be better spent dealing with the way things are.

BTW, thoughts of a life of crime have definitely crossed my mind, and be assured that, well... I'm not going to make declarative statements on a public board. Suffice it to say that we are only at the beginning of a long hard road and the better prepared we are, the better able we will be able to help those that will follow.

It is time to look inward and do what must be done. That's my take anyway. :shrug:
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Peeves Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 10:35 AM
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56. _
Edited on Tue Aug-29-06 10:37 AM by Peeves
:shrug:
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TheFriedPiper Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:34 PM
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37. Without pretending, too many preachers would be out of work
And that would spike the unemployment numbers.


Still, it is WELL past time to stop pretending that religion is anything more than a con game.


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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:40 PM
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38. We are a fake phony people
We tell our children not to judge a book by it's cover, yet we do exactly that and are now going to extremes to improve our "covers" every chance we get with surgery and drugs....

Our society is based on looks and money... Let's face it... We are a phony people.. Not all of us are that way, but a number of us play the game every day....

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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:48 PM
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39. Don't know. But it has something to do with
... being shortsighted as a nation (thanks to government and corporations)

....having enough placebos to make today pretty nice

...growing up with enought belief in government that it is hard to realize the depth of corruption, deception and incompetence

...accepting the polarization purposely enhanced by GOP. Putting party ahead of everything else.

...elections are sacred...they wouldn't mess with them, would they?

...still believing that news shows talk about news

...television: image is more important than content
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:56 PM
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40. Nope. I haven't been pretending shit.
Especially that we have a President.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:22 PM
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43. My InBox is still empty.
:kick:
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 05:49 PM
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46. Check it again!
n/t
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 04:35 PM
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45. :kick: - Patience was once a virtue
See the plea above!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 05:10 AM
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47. Now they're pretending that bush reads voraciously.
And they expect us to believe it, that's how stupid they think we are.
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 05:17 AM
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48. Every time I've seen him for the last five years,
every news conference or televised appearance, every news story about him, mentally I see a big neon "FAKE" sign flashing.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 07:29 AM
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49. Speak for yourself...
but please stop pretending I'm one of your kind.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 07:30 AM
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50. please, what "kind" am I?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 07:39 AM
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51. Its the Head in the Sand mechanism...pretend we are making progress
and that this is the right thing to do...that Bush is doing a grand job, that he is courageous, etc
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 09:59 AM
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53. Are you there? Say a prayer for the Pretender
It's all about money. It always was.The majority of the country doesn't give two shits about democracy or freedom as long as "they" have enough.
As long as Bobby and Suzy can play football or take ballet classes. As long as they can get a new plastic card to spend next years money on buying the current styles, they are perfectly content.As long as Shell or Exxon gives them credit to put gas in their SUV's. As long as they can maintain the fascade of the status quo.
Most Americans have surrendered to the dollar...long ago, and in so doing, gave up the fight for maintaining the Republic and let the sleazy moneychangers run things.

"Im going to be a happy idiot
And struggle for the legal tender
Where the ads take aim and lay their claim
To the heart and the soul of the spender
And believe in whatever may lie
In those things that money can buy
Thought true love could have been a contender
Are you there?
Say a prayer for the pretender
Who started out so young and strong
Only to surrender"

Jackson Browne..."The Pretender"

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 10:12 AM
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54. Sometime Reality is too much to bear so we Fantasize(pretend)
otherwise...the ostrich position...head in the sand stuph...
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 10:21 AM
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55. I know someone who claims "It always swings back"
as if this is his answer for all apathy and inaction. No matter what the crime or corruption he takes this view...he is Japanese and he's even had the balls to say that about the internment camps in WW2...i.e. "They let them back out".

One time I gave him a pause by mentioning that while it did end the Dark Ages did last 500 years. But then he said "well things have changed and move faster now".

Oddly he never sees the other side, which is no matter how many times things come around, they also fall back down...oh and real people suffer and die horribly while people like him fiddle.

Reminds me of that Oingo Boingo song "nothing bad ever happens to me."



Nothing bad ever happens to me
Nothing bad ever happens to me
Why should I care?
A man broke into my neighborhood
He threatened the family with a loaded gun
He tied them all up and beat 'em real good
He took everything and he got away clean
And I can't believe that anyone would
Wanna do such a terrible thing
But why should I care?
Did ya hear about Fred, he's unemployed
They threw him away like a useless toy
He went down the drain after 20 long years
No warning, no pension and nobody's tears
And I can't believe that anyone would
Wanna do such a terrible thing
But why should I care?
Why should I care?
Every time I look around this place
I see them scream but I hear no sound
And the terrible things happen down the road
To someone else that I don't even know
CHORUS
Nothing bad ever happens to me
Nothing bad ever happens to me
Nothing bad ever happens to me
Nothing bad ever happens to me
Why should I care?
Have you heard about the Joneses, my, my, my
It happened so quick and no one knows why
Their teenage son, he seemed O.K.
But his suicide ruined everyone's day
And I can't believe that anyone would
Wanna do such a terrible thing
But why should I care?
CHORUS
(Nothing bad ever happens to me)
Nothing bad ever happens to me
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 10:37 AM
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57. Mexican Citizens Aren't Pretending
when I drive by any home depot and see about 30 people who look as if they have Mexican heritage I now wave, as if I'm waving to a fellow comrade in a revolution that only them and myself know about.

The mexicans shut down airports over Election fraud
The mexicans surrounded the oilfields over election fraud
The mexicans had teachers begin hosting civil disobedience activities over Election Fraud
The mexican leader chosen by the popular will of the people in a landslide , Mr. Obrador, is continuing to fight in his country.

and americans. we just pretend while shopping at walmart.

When I pass the mexicans waiting to make $8 bucks an hour for back breaking construction work in the sun, I wave to them as if they are my comrades in a struggle that only they are willing to engage in, and me and my American family and friends are not.

I'm embarrassed we treat those mexicans at home depot so horribly, when they have the backbone that our country does not.....

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Peeves Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 10:37 AM
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58. What's it like to be such a defeatist?
:shrug:
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 10:38 AM
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61. its fun, you'll learn to enjoy it too
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Peeves Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 11:03 AM
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63. I doubt it!
:evilgrin:
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 10:38 AM
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59. Pretending (hoping) that our votes count
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 10:38 AM
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60. Because there's no convincng evidence that
not pretending would be better than pretending, and plenty of evidence that it would be worse.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-29-06 10:45 AM
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62. great post! well reasoned..

it only takes one key person in power to stop pretending to pull back the veil of false pretention and aggregious illusion.

where is that person? all the movie stars that make money, Howard Dean, my once honored idealist, now a jaded mouthpiece for the chicanery....where is that voice of reason who consistently calls the lie out for what it is, a huge lie?

and for a very few group of us in the trenches, the playtime is over and the lawsuits begin.

people will sit in jailcells over their level of willingness to pretend, mark my word, the progressive backlash cometh....

I for one, stopped pretending November of 2004..... that's when I woke up, when will the rest of you? and I mean put your money and your career where your mouth is?

Philosoraptor's post is so poignant, so well written, it could almost be a battle cry!
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